IRC log of svg on 2008-10-28

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2022

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG

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ok, trackbot; I see GA_SVGWG()6:30AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago

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Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 28 October 2008

10:32:54 [ed_work]

heh

10:32:58 [shepazu]

I should be done with the Disposition of Comments today (first draft)

10:33:06 [heycam]

oh, great

10:33:24 [Zakim]

GA_SVGWG()6:30AM has now started

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+??P0

10:33:38 [ed_work]

Zakim, ??P is me

10:33:38 [Zakim]

+ed_work; got it

10:33:49 [Zakim]

+??P1

10:33:51 [heycam]

Zakim, ? is me

10:33:51 [Zakim]

+heycam; got it

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+??P2

10:36:01 [anthony]

Zakim, ??P2 is me

10:36:01 [Zakim]

+anthony; got it

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10:46:37 [ed_work]

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=28&month=10&year=2008&p1=188&p2=240&p3=239&p4=-1

10:47:25 [ed_work]

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?day=4&month=11&year=2008&p1=188&p2=240&p3=239&p4=-1&iv=0

10:51:54 [heycam]

http://www.w3.org/mid/20081023005712.GH20693@arc.mcc.id.au

10:53:00 [heycam]

http://www.w3.org/mid/20081023004437.GF20693@arc.mcc.id.au

10:58:10 [ed_work]

scribeNick: ed_work

10:58:14 [ed_work]

http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/animate.html#AnimationAttributesAndProperties

10:58:20 [ed_work]

http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/animate.html#AnimationAttributesAndProperties

10:58:49 [ed_work]

ED: so set didn't permit setting transform-lists in 1.1 either

10:59:07 [ed_work]

...not sure what other implementations do though, we should test it

10:59:41 [ed_work]

CM: ok, I'll raise an issue for this

11:00:54 [ed_work]

ED: i agree it would be useful if set could set transform-lists

11:01:10 [heycam]

ISSUE-2166?

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ISSUE-2166 -- Animating @transform with <set> -- RAISED

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http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2166

11:02:37 [ed_work]

Topic: About animate-elem-225-t.svg, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0293.html

11:04:44 [ed_work]

CM: I think saying the same for 'end' that is to say it's indefinite if it's invalid is the same as not having the 'end' attribute at all

11:05:00 [ed_work]

...if there is a slight difference in SMIL

11:05:18 [ed_work]

...we could say it's an unsupported value instead

11:06:48 [heycam]

ISSUE-2088?

11:06:48 [trackbot]

ISSUE-2088 -- Painting chapter mentions optional color interpolation space, which is not described anywhere -- RAISED

11:06:48 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2088

11:07:19 [ed_work]

CM: at the end of the painting chapter it says something about interpolating in some other colorspaces

11:07:26 [ed_work]

...sounds like something from 1.1.

11:07:37 [ed_work]

AG: was added when svgprint extended svg tiny 1.2

11:07:49 [ed_work]

...so that the spec can be expanded on

11:07:59 [ed_work]

...CL and me changed this a year ago

11:08:33 [ed_work]

...we were addressing some other issue I think

11:09:32 [anthony]

http://www.w3.org/2007/04/03-svg-minutes.html#item08

11:11:42 [ed_work]

AG: if the wording needs to be changed a bit that's fine

11:12:06 [ed_work]

CM: maybe add "Tiny 1.2 does not require support for..."

11:12:17 [ed_work]

AG: I could add a note after the full stop

11:12:52 [ed_work]

CM: maybe Jon Cruz expected there to be some way in tiny to specify which colorspace to use

11:14:12 [ed_work]

AG: there is a property in svg print

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CM: so maybe say that color-interpolation can take other values in other svg specs

11:15:05 [ed_work]

AG: specs may offer an alternative color-interpolation colorspace

11:15:38 [ed_work]

CM: the optional part sounds like an authoring thing rather than for the user agent

11:16:48 [ed_work]

CM: oh, color-interpolation doesn't exist at all in tiny 1.2

11:16:54 [heycam]

Future specifications may provide a means for specifying the interpolation color space.

11:17:35 [anthony]

Optionally user agents may use other specifications to specify an alternative interpolation color space.

11:18:10 [ed_work]

ED: future or past maybe, since 1.1 had the color-interpolation prop

11:19:45 [heycam]

Other SVG specifications may provide a means for color profiles to be provided in order to specify an alternative interpolation color space.

11:20:35 [ed_work]

http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2088

11:20:40 [ed_work]

http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-color/

11:23:13 [ed_work]

CM: i'll write proposed wording and send it to the wg list

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http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/11

11:25:34 [NH]

Hi, do we have a telcon?

11:26:27 [ed_work]

yes

11:27:08 [ed_work]

and hour ago

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topic: ISSUE-2166

11:28:13 [ed_work]

RESOLUTION: we leave set as it is for now in tiny 1.2, but revisit this issue in core-2

11:28:19 [anthony]

ACTION: Anthony to Respond to Cameron's email regarding ISSUE-2166

11:28:19 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-2341 - Respond to Cameron's email regarding ISSUE-2166 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-11-04].

11:29:11 [ed_work]

s/an hour ago/started an hour ago/

11:30:33 [ed_work]

topic: ISSUE-2163

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CM: worried that this introduces requirements for UA:s rather than being something that is just for AT:s

11:31:41 [ed_work]

...we don't have any tests for popup help windows

11:32:25 [ed_work]

...two concerns: one is that we're adding a new feature late, and two i'm doubtful that it fits in well with roles (would be happy to hear what aria/role people have to say)

11:32:26 [Zakim]

+NH

11:33:28 [ed_work]

ED: pointer to spec?

11:34:10 [heycam]

http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/struct.html#RoleAttribute

11:34:21 [ed_work]

CM: looks like it's a should and not a must

11:34:32 [ed_work]

...so it would be hard to test it anyway

11:35:01 [ed_work]

...the contexthelp role isn't one of the roles that the WAI people have defined, it's defined by svg

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CM: so we started adding 'role' only but we haven't had any discussion on what roles svg might define

11:37:30 [ed_work]

ED: I agree it would be nice to have one place/spec for svg-defined aria roles

11:39:42 [ed_work]

CM: I think changes in this particular section was based on comments from the wai area people

11:40:27 [ed_work]

...I'd prefer to have one of the existing aria roles as an example, if that was the purpose of having this paragraph about contexthelp

11:41:34 [ed_work]

ED: would be good to hear what DS has to say about this

11:42:42 [ed_work]

CM: right, I'd like to hear what the intention was

11:43:28 [ed_work]

...let's put this on the agenda for thursday

11:44:00 [heycam]

Archived-At

11:45:02 [ed_work]

CM: is everyone ok with actions on the LC comments

11:45:08 [ed_work]

...DS has the most

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AG: anything we can take from him?

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CM: asked him before and he didn't say

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topic: telcon time change

11:50:18 [heycam]

http://mcc.id.au/2007/03/telcon/

11:53:06 [shepazu]

heycam, ARIA doesn't have a suitable role for contexthelp, "tooltip" is for the appearance, not the actual role

11:54:33 [heycam]

"tooltip" the role or the svg element?

11:54:35 [ed_work]

CM: note that the telcon time planner tool is based on the starting time of the telcon

11:54:53 [shepazu]

"tooltip" just means the popup infobox

11:55:03 [ed_work]

...it's not your availiblity, it's just when the telcon starts + 1.5h from that time

11:55:05 [shepazu]

not the semantic meaning

11:55:05 [Zakim]

-anthony

11:55:24 [Zakim]

+??P2

11:55:29 [heycam]

role="tooltip" you're saying?

11:55:39 [shepazu]

correct

11:55:42 [heycam]

oh there's no <tooltip> element is there =P

11:55:46 [shepazu]

no

11:56:01 [anthony]

Zakim, ??P2 is me

11:56:01 [Zakim]

+anthony; got it

11:56:19 [shepazu]

I talked with Al Gilman about this, and he acknowledges the distinction

11:56:49 [heycam]

i'm happy with that distinction then

11:57:02 [heycam]

but i'm still a bit concerned about the requirements for contexthelp to produce some visual behaviour

11:57:14 [ed_work]

AG: so based on what DS says do we just need to fill in some wording then?

11:57:27 [heycam]

since none of the roles that aria defines do that, and (if i understand correctly, which could well not be the case) isn't what roles are for

11:57:27 [ed_work]

topic: ISSUE-2163

11:58:13 [heycam]

but it's probably easier to discuss this on thursday on the call

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-ed_work

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-NH

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-anthony

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-heycam

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GA_SVGWG()6:30AM has ended

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Attendees were ed_work, heycam, anthony, NH

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/10/28-svg-minutes.html ed_work

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