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<DavePorter> Hi Doug, is that you out there (shepazu)? Mighty early for the meeting but that's cool.
<ChrisL> Hi Dave. Shepazu is indeed Doug.
<DavePorter> I'm a IRC greenhorn so I don't know the typical operating behavior, computer or human, in using this mode of communication.
<ChrisL> no problem. you type stuff, other people on the channel see it
<DavePorter> Yes, no rocket science at all.
<ChrisL> its handy for pasting URIs etc sather than reading them aloud on a phone call
<ChrisL> also there are two bots on this channel
<ChrisL> one, zakim, is an interface to our phone system (also called Zakim)
<ChrisL> the other, rrsagent, is for logging. it allows minutes to be made automatically
<DavePorter> Well maybe it IS rocket science. Thanks Chris.
<ChrisL> there are a few bits of - well, not rocket science but special commands, especially to the bots to get them to do things. But you will pick those up as you need them
<ChrisL> I just corrected a typo i made, by using the command s/9also/(also/
<ChrisL> Now I asked rrsagent for a pointer to the log it is making
<ChrisL> and there, i set the access rights so the logs are public. which they should be on this channel by default, but just to be sure
<DavePorter> 425 is Bellevue, WA, USA
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/Main_Page
<ddailey> I think i am here
<codedread> you are
<DavePorter> There sure is a lot of "crosstalk" on the audio, if there is any way to mute your microphone when not talking, that would be appreciated.
<scribe> scribenick: shepazu
Donald_Doherty: been with w3c for
3 years (Brainstage)
... health care industry
... we have an SVG application
... in pittsburgh, pa
Bruce_: I'm in Denver, buildiing SVG Apps for years
Christophe: I work at Catholic
University in Leuven in Belgium, interested in Web
Accessibility
... wrote report on accessibility issues in SVG
ddailey: professor of computer
science at slippery rock, worked with SVG for 5 years
... background in graph theory
... wrote a book on SVG, started 3 years ago
... brought to Prentice Hall
... they sat on it for a year, but were worried about the cost
due to color graphics
... wanted to refocus it on mobile, and publish
electronically
... good reviews otherwise
... thought W3C might be a better venue, not worried about the
money
ChrisL: excellent...
... yes, color is hard for printers
... not sure you'd get publication credit from an electronic
version
... this is great for people new to the subject
... publisher interest seems to have cooled
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/resources/StateOfArt-Dailey.html
<ed_work> that's really nice, david++ :)
<Donald_Doherty> Great work David! Yes. Publish!!
<Bruce_> I think publishing this would be a great idea
shepazu: we have an opportunity to publish this at W3C, legal is drawing up a copyright assignment
would this group agree to the publication?
<ChrisL> adding links to examples would be helpful
ddailey: we could make the examples live, since it will be a web document
Rob_Russell: making it live means maintenence
DavePorter: this looks terrific, but I have mild reservation about highlighting only one of many publications and resources
Resolution: pending approval by everyone on the SVG IG list, we will publish this book as a W3C note
<Bruce_> What about reusing your examples David? (copyright, credits?)
shepazu: this is only one of many
resources, and we can link to all of them
... on either the SVG IG page, or the SVG community site
Bruce_: what about reuse of the examples?
ddailey: up to w3c license
shepazu: that's a good use case, and I'll press that with Legal
codedread: we'd like to build
upon the community sites and svg sites out there
... Rob_Russell is working on a drupal installation
shepazu: svg.org is owned by
someone else
... rather not use that domain name
codedread: please let Rob_Russell or myself know if you want to help
DS describes the basic layout of SVG.org
Rob_Russell: I think Drupal can do all of that, with module
<DavePorter> As long as a proposed SVG community site comes up high in the response off a Google search, doesn't really matter much what domain it is or what it's called. IMO. Also, would be cool to have a more graphical-oriented interface, if that's not too risky to suggest.
shepazu: samples, howtos, etc.
<codedread> web software should have elements of: blog, article publishing, wiki, possibility of mailing list
Rob_Russell: having it live svg
has some costs, where IE doesn't render SVG
... so we should have some fallback
<DavePorter> Have you seen w3schools.com, the code-exampleapproach where you've got a "source window" paired with a "result window" and you can get in there and edit the source, click "try it" or something and the result window changes.
codedread: we need to let non-SVG browser users see some of the content
<DavePorter> That's a very cool open ended approach to demonstrating code examples.
Rob_Russell: header images and such for tutorials should have png fallbacks
<Bruce_> Isn't this what Wikipedia is doing? SVG if available, PNG as fallback
Rob_Russell: having progressive enhancement over time is best
<ed_work> wikipedia shows pngs in pages but allow you to get the source svg if you want
<DavePorter> Example: http://w3schools.com/css/tryit.asp?filename=trycss_background-repeat_no-repeat
<ddailey> It might also be fun to have "portal" or something of the sort into which people can go easily to see cool examples running SMIL and filters and so forth
<Bruce_> I will attending and presenting
<ddailey> I am going
<ChrisL> i will
shepazu: we will have an informal dinner meeting of the SVG IG one night there
<Donald_Doherty> Should be at least once every two weeks.
<ChrisL> suggest weekly or biweekly
<DavePorter> I like every two weeks
<codedread> every two weeks is fine
<DavePorter> No problem with this time (8:00 a.m. pacific)
<DavePorter> Thank you, very good meeting!
Resolution: meet every 2 weeks at this time
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