IRC log of sml on 2008-06-05
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- meeting: W3C SML Teleconference of 2008-06-04
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- scribenick: Sandy
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- pratul sent regrets (to me only) for this call
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- scribe: Sandy Gao
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- chair: John Arwe
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Jun/0001.html
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- regrets: Kirk Wilson
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Jun/att-0000/20080529-sml-minutes.html
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- topic: Approval of minutes from previous meeting(s)
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- RESOLUTION: approve http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Jun/att-0000/20080529-sml-minutes.html as a true record of the meeting on 2008-05-29.
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- topic: Register for Edinburgh
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- John: please register.
- 18:11:14 [MSM]
- zakim, please call MSM-617
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- ok, MSM; the call is being made
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- +MSM
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- topic: Fall F2F
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- John: we may need to change to either end of the week (Oct 27-31) if CG decides to have meetings in that same week.
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- topic: Action items
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- Julia: action 188. made some progress, need more time.
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- Kumar: (just closed one of the actions.) for action 184. Pratul is mainly working on it.
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- topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5715 add definition of the term 'processor'
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- John: Sounds editorial
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- Kumar: yes
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- Ginny: duplicate with 5720?
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- Julia: or 5710?
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- Ginny: yes 5710.
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- Julia: we were thinking that 5720 should be a duplication of 5710. neither has anything to do with 5715.
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- John: proposal is editorial + needsReview.
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- -MSM
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- RESOLUTION: 5715 is editorial + needsReview.
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- topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5720 Inconsistent languge describing sml references and schemes
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- John: editorial or needsAgreement?
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- Ginny: editorial
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- Julia: editorial+needsReview. Note in particular that point 7 in comment #3 requires an extensive review.
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- Ginny: that will be reviewed by the editoris. most likely me (Ginny).
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- John: so the proposal is to fix per comments #3 and #4.
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- RESOLUTION: mark 5720 as editorial+needsReview.
- 18:27:39 [Sandy]
- s/mark 5720 as editorial+needsReview./mark 5720 as editorial+needsReview; fix per comments #3 and #4.
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-sml-minutes.html Sandy
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- topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5721 Statement about definitions in definition docs vs. instance docs would help
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- Julia: should be editorial
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- Zakim, please call MSM-617
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- ok, MSM; the call is being made
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- +MSM
- 18:30:13 [Sandy]
- Jim: maybe add a non-normative note reflecting conclusions cited in the bug report.
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- Julia: I can make a suggestion in terms of where that note should go.
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- ACTION: Julia to propose where a note that addresses 5721 should go.
- 18:31:56 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-193 - Propose where a note that addresses 5721 should go. [on Julia McCarthy - due 2008-06-12].
- 18:32:33 [Sandy]
- RESOLUTION: mark 5721 as needsAgreement; wait for Julia's proposal from action 193.
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- topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5528 xs:import for SML namespace is unnecessary
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- John: 2 weeks are up. remove "decided" keyword?
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- RESOLUTION: remove "decided" keyword from bug 5528.
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- topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5529 Clarify Appendix C
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- Jim: this has editorial and decided. can "decided" be removed before the editorial action is taken?
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- John: yes. they are tracked separately.
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- John: should "decided" be removed?
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- RESOLUTION: remove "decided" keyword from bug 5529.
- 18:39:09 [Sandy]
- topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5598 title of section 4.2.7, deref() XPath Extension Function
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- s/can "decided" be removed before the editorial action is taken/can "decided" be removed before the editorial action is taken or can the change be made before "decided" is removed
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-sml-minutes.html Sandy
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- [for what it's worth: The strikethrough font indicates that the status of the bug report is CLOSED.]
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- Andrew Eisenberg closed it (to indicate assent to our resolution) on 2 April]
- 18:41:02 [Sandy]
- John: this should have been marked "external" in previous passes.
- 18:41:25 [johnarwe]
- 4.2.7 deref() XPath Extension Function
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- John: Seems the title has not been updated
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- s/has not been updated/does not have smlfn:
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- Ginny: looking at minutes from April 1. I was recommending *not* to fix it.
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- 5598: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5598
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- Add namespace prefix to deref function in section title
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- MSM: Add the word "The"
- 18:43:37 [ginny]
- Ginny: recommends not fixing it. Makes title longer. Style objection to fixing the bug.
- 18:43:39 [ginny]
- MSM: Prefers to add namespace prefix. (Kirk agrees.)
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- Sandy: We need to add it somewhere. First occurrence of namespace prefix is in section 5.
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- Ginny: We can mention it in the section.
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- Pratul: Proposal: fix according to the bug.
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- John: 4 votes (MSM, Kirk, Pratul, Sandy) to make the change.
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- ... Question is whether we should include "The".
- 18:43:48 [ginny]
- The sense of the work group is not to add a "The" just to this title.
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- Ginny: Does not want to change all the titles.
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- RESOLUTION: Fix this bug as per bug and mark as editorial.
- 18:46:36 [Sandy]
- John: reopen 5598, remove decided, then "editoral" will take effect.
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- Kumar: and add "externalReviewer" and "reviewerSatisfied"
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- s/externalReviewer/externalComment
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- RESOLUTION: reopen 5598, remove "decided", add "externalComment" and "reviewerSatisfied".
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- topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5599 use of sml:acyclic
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- John: no change needed; closed is ok. just need to deal with "decided" keyword.
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- RESOLUTION: for 5599, remove "decided", add "externalComment" and "reviewerSatisfied". no change to the bug status (leave it closed).
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- topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5600 request for additional examples
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- John: similar situation to 5598.
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- 04 01RESOLUTION: reopen 5600, remove "decided", add "externalComment" and "reviewerSatisfied".
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- topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5561 SML should define a Simple XLink Reference Scheme
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- John: have pending action. stay needsReview
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- topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5635 impl-defined and impl-dependent used, but not defined
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- John: alredy fixed; confirmed by 5/22 minutes.
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- RESOLUTION: remove "needsReview" from 5635.
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- topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4630 Clarify relation of SML and XML 1.0 vs 1.1
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- RESOLUTION: remove "needsReview" from 4630.
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- rrsagent, where am i?
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- See http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-sml-irc#T19-10-01
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- RESOLUTION: remove "needsReview" from 4803, 4819, 4884, 5069, 5112, 5215, 5239, 5248, 5382, 5384, 5404, 5415.
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- The WG reviewed and approved changes made in comment #2 of 5382 and comment #3 of 5384.
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- topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5499 Explanation of notation for { } and [ ]
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- Ginny: in core, section 2.1, suggest to remove "For example,"
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- Kumar: confused. does IF define a schema component property?
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- ... Section 2.1 of IF says "This specification defines some properties of schema components". this is not correct.
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- Kumar propose to remove the first 3 sensences from the inserted paragraph in section 2.1 of IF.
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- s/Kumar propose/Kumar: propose
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- Jim: why the second sentence?
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- s/sensen/senten
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- MSM: possible for the spec to change and introduce references to schema component properties?
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- Ginny: make sense to include the reference convention sentence, just like we list all 2119 keywords but we may not use all of them.
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- Jim: yes, should keep the reference convention.
- 19:27:25 [ginny]
- Proposal: References to properties of schema components are links to the relevant definition, set off with curly braces, for instance {example property}. This is the same convention as that used in the XML schema specification [ XML Schema Structures ]. References to properties of information items as defined in [ XML Information Set ] are notated as links to the relevant section thereof,...
- 19:27:26 [ginny]
- ...set off with square brackets, for example [children].
- 19:27:33 [Sandy]
- John: then should this be sent back to the editors to make the above suggested changes?
- 19:31:51 [ginny]
- The sense of the working group is that we want the text to be 'true' whether or not any such notations are present in the spec or not.
- 19:33:00 [Sandy]
- RESOLUTION: remove needsReivew from 5499, mark as editorial. add needsReview after changes are made. Change 2.1 of both core and IF, using Ginny's text above as a starting point. The goal is for the revised text to be phrased such that it is 'true' whether or not any such notations are present in the spec or not.
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- s/5404, 5415/5404, 5415, 5505
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-sml-minutes.html Sandy
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- topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5707 clarify SML reference resolution when sml:uri value is an empty string
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- Kumar: proposal is in comment #2. [1] is for core, and [2] is for IF.
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- Sandy: for core, does bullet 2.a still apply when the URI is "" or "#"?
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- Kumar: yes
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- Sandy: then saying "2.b is skipped" is misleading, because the result of applying 2.a produces a URI that's never "" or "#".
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- Ginny: maybe we should just refer to the RFC, because bullet 2 is consistent with RFC
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- Kumar: yes, and mark 2.a-2.d as non-normative.
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- -kumar
- 19:52:20 [Sandy]
- John: RFC discussion about "same-dodcument reference", specifically "a defererence of a same-document reference should not result in a new retrieval action."
- 19:52:56 [Sandy]
- John: sounds like we need a new proposal. leaving it as "hasProposal" will make it appear on the agenda next week.
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- RESOLUTION: leave 5707 as "hasProposal"
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- -MSM
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- -jim
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- -ginny
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- -Julia
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- -johnarwe
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-sml-minutes.html Sandy
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- -Sandy
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- XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Julia, kumar, johnarwe, Sandy, ginny, jim, MSM
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-sml-minutes.html Sandy
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- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-sml-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Julia to propose where a note that addresses 5721 should go. [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-sml-irc#T18-31-56