IRC log of sml on 2008-05-15
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-sml-irc
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- zakim, this will be sml
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- ok, johnarwe, I see XML_SMLWG()2:00PM already started
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- +[Microsoft]
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- Zakim, Microsoft is me
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- +pratul; got it
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- + +1.530.823.aabb
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- + +1.303.495.aacc
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- zakim, aabb is me
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- +ginny; got it
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- zakim, aacc is me
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- +Jordan; got it
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- + +1.425.836.aadd
- 18:03:51 [ginny]
- meeting: W3C SML Teleconference of 2008-May-15
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- +Igor_Sedukhin
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- + +1.610.277.aaee
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008May/0061.html
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- zakim, aaee is me
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- +Kirk; got it
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- zakim, aaee is me
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- sorry, Jim, I do not recognize a party named 'aaee'
- 18:05:13 [johnarwe]
- zakim, aadd is kumar
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- +kumar; got it
- 18:05:34 [ginny]
- scribe: Virginia Smith
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- scribenick: ginny
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- zakim, kirk is jim
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- +jim; got it
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- Regrets: Sandy
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- Chair: Pratul
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- zakim, who's here?
- 18:06:16 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see +1.845.433.aaaa, pratul, ginny, Jordan, kumar, Igor_Sedukhin, jim
- 18:06:18 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Kumar, Kirk, Jim, Jordan, ginny, Zakim, RRSAgent, pratul, johnarwe, MSM, trackbot-ng
- 18:07:09 [johnarwe]
- zakim, aaaa is me
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- +johnarwe; got it
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- zakim, Igor_Sedukhin is Kirk
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- +Kirk; got it
- 18:07:42 [ginny]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-sml-minutes.html ginny
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- Topic: Approval of minutes 5/1
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- No objections heard.
- 18:13:09 [ginny]
- Topic: Bug 5513
- 18:15:46 [ginny]
- John: this bug is tracking changes to XML schema and still in editorial queue
- 18:20:09 [ginny]
- Pratul: could add comment to say our decision stands but other things commented on are tracked in other bugs.
- 18:20:26 [johnarwe]
- s/decision/decision in comment 7/
- 18:25:21 [ginny]
- Pratul: bug is really about using sml:ref vs xlink
- 18:27:05 [ginny]
- Kumar: proposal to close this bug with a note that all issues are being tracked by other bugs
- 18:27:19 [ginny]
- Pratul: this is comment #11
- 18:27:48 [ginny]
- Original resolution is in comment #7
- 18:28:34 [johnarwe]
- +1 to pratul's suggestion - no reason to annoy him
- 18:30:11 [ginny]
- Pratul: Proposal to add boilerplate text and add note pointing to resolution as in comment #7 and also comment #11; all other issues are being tracked in other bugs
- 18:30:58 [ginny]
- John: rather than refer to comment #7, we should restate it since there is an error there
- 18:31:05 [Zakim]
- -pratul
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- +[Microsoft]
- 18:33:45 [pratul]
- Zakim, Microsoft is me
- 18:33:45 [Zakim]
- +pratul; got it
- 18:34:29 [Kumar]
- This bug is about a single issue: why do we need to use sml:ref=true to denote a reference. Comment #7 addressed it fully. That comment has a copy-paste error (a wrong proposal was pasted). To avoid confusion, we have reproduced the correct part of the response from comment# 7 below:
- 18:34:29 [Kumar]
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- sml:ref="true" identifies an SML reference and is orthogonal to the SML Reference scheme used to carry the address.
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- 18:34:32 [Kumar]
- The other issues mentioned in parts of the bug text are being tracked separately as 5541, 5542 and 5561 (see comment# 11).
- 18:34:36 [Kumar]
-
- 18:34:39 [Kumar]
- Since the central issue of this bug has been adequately and since we have not received any comment opposing the resolution, we are closing this bug. If you do not agree to this, please add a comment to this bug.
- 18:35:09 [ginny]
- c/adequately/adequately addressed/
- 18:39:40 [Kumar]
- This bug was originally about a single issue: why do we need to use sml:ref=true to denote a reference? Comment #7 addressed it fully. That comment has a copy-paste error (a wrong proposal was pasted). To avoid confusion, we have reproduced the correct part of the response from comment# 7 below:
- 18:39:40 [Kumar]
-
- 18:39:40 [Kumar]
- sml:ref="true" identifies an SML reference and is orthogonal to the SML Reference scheme used to carry the address.
- 18:39:40 [Kumar]
-
- 18:39:43 [Kumar]
- The other issues mentioned in parts of the bug text are being tracked separately as 5541, 5542 and 5561 (see comment# 11).
- 18:39:46 [Kumar]
-
- 18:39:49 [Kumar]
- Since the central issue of this bug has been adequately addressed and since we have not received any comment opposing the resolution, we plan to close this bug. Please review the resolution adopted and let us know if you agree with this resolution of your issue, by adding a comment to the issue record and changing the Status of the issue to Closed. Or, if you do not agree with this resolution, please add a comment explaining why. If
- 18:39:53 [Kumar]
- you wish to appeal the WG's decision to the Director, then also change the Status of the record to Reopened. If you wish to record your dissent, but do not wish to appeal the decision to the Director, then change the Status of the record to Closed. If we do not hear from you in the next two weeks, we will assume you agree with the WG decision.
- 18:42:18 [ginny]
- Resolution: Resolution agreed on as written by Kumar above. Remove editorial, add decided, externalComments keywords.
- 18:42:27 [ginny]
- Topic: Bug 5520
- 18:48:19 [ginny]
- Proposal: Fix per comment #5 and add standard boilerplate text. Add decided keyword.
- 18:49:13 [ginny]
- Resolution: fix per proposal
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- Topic: Bug 5529
- 18:51:14 [ginny]
- Pratul: we did not add boilerplate text; we should do that today and add decided keyword
- 18:54:44 [ginny]
- Resolution: agreed on Pratul's proposal; bug updated by Kumar
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- Topic: Bug 5524
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- c/5524/5298/
- 18:56:59 [johnarwe]
- +1
- 18:57:18 [ginny]
- Resolution: mark bug as fixed
- 18:57:19 [Jim]
- +1
- 18:58:03 [ginny]
- Topic: Bug 5524
- 18:59:29 [ginny]
- Proposal: add boilerplate text and add decided keyword
- 19:03:12 [ginny]
- ... and also refer to Bug 5520
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- Resolution: agreed on above proposal
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- Topic: Bug 5545
- 19:06:40 [ginny]
- Proposal: add boilerplate text and add decided keyword
- 19:06:45 [johnarwe]
- +1
- 19:07:17 [ginny]
- Resolution: agreed to proposal
- 19:07:19 [johnarwe]
- (to be clear for the IRC log - speaking on behalf of IBM all day today, chair hat off for the day since no IBM reps available otherwise)
- 19:10:12 [johnarwe]
- topic: bug 5541
- 19:12:17 [ginny]
- Topic: Bug 5541
- 19:12:32 [ginny]
- Defer to next call
- 19:12:59 [ginny]
- Topic: Bug 5519
- 19:18:09 [ginny]
- John: Comment #6 rephrases the question in 2nd to last paragraph. Last paragraph is a rough draft of a proposal.
- 19:19:25 [ginny]
- Kumar: similar to Comment #5, proposal #1?
- 19:21:36 [ginny]
- Kumar: if an element is not schema-valid; SML validator will not have access to element information required to assess SML validity. There is variability in schema validation.
- 19:22:31 [ginny]
- John: MSM #1 says "implementations vary" which is weaker that first line of comment #6.
- 19:31:23 [ginny]
- Kumar: we agree that we do not depend on 'validation attempted'. Value of 'validity' must be true in order to enforce SML constraints.
- 19:32:18 [ginny]
- Kumar: validity must be true for anything to which an SML constraint is attached.
- 19:32:47 [ginny]
- John: what about when schema validity is not true and an SMl constraint is attached to an element?
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- c/SMl/SML/
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- Discussion to be postponed until next week; continue in email.
- 19:36:09 [ginny]
- Topic: Bug 5562
- 19:39:37 [ginny]
- Resolution: add boilerplate text endorsing comment #3 and add decided keyword
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- Topic: Bug 5561
- 19:42:36 [ginny]
- c/5561/5523/
- 19:45:20 [ginny]
- Proposal: add comment requesting Henry to let us know if the resolution is acceptable
- 19:45:44 [ginny]
- c/resolution/resolution in comment #2/
- 19:46:57 [ginny]
- Resolution: agreed on proposal
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- Topic: Bug 5525
- 19:48:43 [ginny]
- RESOLUTION: add comment requesting Henry to let us know if the resolution is acceptable
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- Topic: Bug 5526
- 19:49:57 [ginny]
- RESOLUTION: add comment requesting Henry to let us know if the resolution is acceptable
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- Topic: Bug 5528
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- RESOLUTION: add boilerplate text and decided keyword
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- Topic: Bug 5522
- 19:58:45 [ginny]
- Proposal: Use the term "owner" and reference the definition at http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-infoset/#infoitem.attribute; also add boilerplate text and decided, editorial keywords
- 19:59:08 [ginny]
- RESOLUTION: proposal accepted
- 19:59:20 [ginny]
- c/resolution/RESOLUTION/g
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- c/Resolution/RESOLUTION/g
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- -ginny
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- -Jordan
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- -kumar
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- -pratul
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- -Kirk
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- -johnarwe
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- zakim, list attendees
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- As of this point the attendees have been +1.845.433.aaaa, pratul, +1.530.823.aabb, +1.303.495.aacc, ginny, Jordan, +1.425.836.aadd, +1.610.277.aaee, kumar, jim, johnarwe, Kirk
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-sml-minutes.html ginny
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- -jim
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- XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were +1.845.433.aaaa, pratul, +1.530.823.aabb, +1.303.495.aacc, ginny, Jordan, +1.425.836.aadd, +1.610.277.aaee, kumar, jim, johnarwe, Kirk
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