IRC log of core on 2008-04-02
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-irc
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- Scribe: r12a
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- Meeting: I18n Core telecon
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- Chair: Addison
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- Scribe: r12a
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2008Apr/0000.html
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- Topic: Action items
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- [DONE] ACTION: Addison to finish revising Unicode Migration for publication; Addison to resolve editing issues
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- [OPEN] ACTION: Addison: write basic outline in wiki for a note on case folding
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- ACTION: Addison to finish revising Unicode Migration for publication; Addison to resolve editing issues DONE
- 14:09:43 [r12a]
- ACTION: Addison: write basic outline in wiki for a note on case folding PENDING
- 14:10:08 [r12a]
- ACTION: Addison: Write to WebAPI WG chair expressing our concern about non-i18n statement and lack of i18n in widgets 1.0 WD DONE
- 14:11:27 [r12a]
- Felix: I spoke to Mike Smith, I can ping him again
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- s/Smith/Smith offline/
- 14:12:27 [r12a]
- ACTION: Andrew: create notes on how to use the wiki template PENDING
- 14:12:41 [r12a]
- Andrew in process of adding now - should be done by tomorrow
- 14:12:50 [r12a]
- ACTION: Addison to request new schedule following 2 April DONE
- 14:13:03 [r12a]
- Topic: Info Share
- 14:13:53 [fsasaki]
- scribenick: fsasaki
- 14:13:55 [fsasaki]
- r12a: looked at template for translations
- 14:14:05 [fsasaki]
- .. now you have create a small php file
- 14:14:11 [aphillip]
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- .. you use the same file name with same extension
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- .. no need to edit every page anymore
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- .. no need to build languages in each page either
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- .. example of this not yet uploaded
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- .. send a mail later
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- scribenick: r12a
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- Topic: SSML internationalization
- 14:16:21 [aphillip]
- RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- 14:17:22 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-speech-synthesis11-20080317/#S3.2.1
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- 14:21:55 [aphillip]
- (discussion of extended language range)
- 14:22:05 [aphillip]
- probably should use the term "language priority list"
- 14:23:38 [aphillip]
- probably should be a prioritized list
- 14:23:57 [r12a]
- "here both language and accent MUST be an Extended Language Range" is ok
- 14:24:01 [aphillip]
- items should match *one* of the items in the priority list
- 14:24:13 [r12a]
- "A voice satisfies the languages feature if, for each language/accent pair in the list,"
- 14:24:13 [David]
- zakim, mute david
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- David should now be muted
- 14:24:33 [r12a]
- see notes above about matching at least one item and should be priority list, probably
- 14:24:57 [David]
- yes
- 14:26:26 [r12a]
- "whose description as a language tag" is misleading - they probably mean to say "a voice can read/speak a language whose language tag matches"
- 14:27:48 [David]
- zakim, unmute david
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- David should no longer be muted
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- addison: not sure why extension subtags are ignored (althought there presently aren't any)
- 14:29:07 [r12a]
- david: there may be a need for region accents rather than the language
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- addison: what they are doing is somewhat backwards, its not clear whether they mean that extension subtags and scripts can be ignored in voice or language range
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- ... they should say that script has no meaning in auditory stuff like this
- 14:33:18 [aphillip]
- probably the text about script and extension subtags is unnecessary
- 14:33:40 [aphillip]
- as long as the range in the attribute has no script subtag, any voices that have scripts will match it
- 14:33:57 [aphillip]
- if one is specified, only voices that have that script subtag will match
- 14:34:11 [aphillip]
- even though script has no meaning in an auditory context
- 14:35:46 [aphillip]
- what they propose requires that the tags/ranges be processed
- 14:35:58 [aphillip]
- matching is written such that this isn't necessary
- 14:36:09 [aphillip]
- better to recommend that they just not be used
- 14:36:29 [aphillip]
- matching is written such that parsing the language tags is not necessary
- 14:37:29 [aphillip]
- zh-CN-HK is an illegal language tag (in one of the examples)
- 14:40:06 [r12a]
- addison: might be better to avoid a chinese example, at least initially
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- ... if you want control over which langauge is used, you should use cmn or yue tags rather than zh-CN etc.
- 14:41:44 [r12a]
- ACTION: Addison to write an alternative proposal for the para giving an example in SSML 3.2.1
- 14:43:41 [aphillip]
- reference BCP 47, "Matching of Language Tags"
- 14:44:02 [r12a]
- might be better than RFC 4647 references
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- or at least RFC 4647 or its successor
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- felix: this is fairly stable rfc
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- addison: yes, that algorithm is probably pretty stable
- 14:47:01 [r12a]
- 3066 is not in the document, only in the references
- 14:47:07 [aphillip]
- 3066 is a stale reference; bcp47 is an informative reference
- 14:49:44 [r12a]
- suggest to them that the sentence about BCP 47 be changed to say that values should conform to language tags in BCP47, and this would make BCP47 a normative reference
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- questions:
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- how does the voice/languages setting interact with xml:lang ?
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- does voice always override xml:lang?
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- is it left to the processor to decide?
- 14:56:09 [r12a]
- para starting "voice attributes are inherited down the tree i" is very hard to understand and doesn't seem to imply any precedence
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- does voice override xml:lang changes in the text too ?
- 14:57:34 [aphillip]
- how do you want to respond to them? richard to respond separately from addison
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-minutes.html aphillip
- 14:59:28 [andrew_]
- http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Help:Using_collaboration_template
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- Present: addison, david, mick, andrew, richard, felix
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- Meeting: Internationalization Core Teleconference
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- -David
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- RRSAgent, make Minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-minutes.html aphillip
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- -Michael_Monaghan
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- -Felix
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- -Addison_Phillips
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- -Richard
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- -Andrew
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- I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Michael_Monaghan, Addison_Phillips, Felix, Richard, +0044797368aaaa, David, Andrew
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Addison to finish revising Unicode Migration for publication; Addison to resolve editing issues DONE [1]
- 17:10:12 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-irc#T14-09-32
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- ACTION: Addison: write basic outline in wiki for a note on case folding PENDING [2]
- 17:10:12 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-irc#T14-09-43
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- ACTION: Addison: Write to WebAPI WG chair expressing our concern about non-i18n statement and lack of i18n in widgets 1.0 WD DONE [3]
- 17:10:12 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-irc#T14-10-08
- 17:10:12 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Andrew: create notes on how to use the wiki template PENDING [4]
- 17:10:12 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-irc#T14-12-27
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- ACTION: Addison to request new schedule following 2 April DONE [5]
- 17:10:12 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-irc#T14-12-50
- 17:10:12 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Addison to write an alternative proposal for the para giving an example in SSML 3.2.1 [6]
- 17:10:12 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-irc#T14-41-44