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19:00:19 <pratul> Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Mar/0018.html
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19:00:41 <Jordan> Scribe: Jordan Boucher
19:00:45 <Jordan> ScribeNick: Jordan
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19:01:09 <Jordan> Meeting: SML WG Weekly Teleconf
19:01:15 <Jordan> Chair: Pratul
19:01:21 <Sandy> zakim, this will be sml
19:01:21 <Zakim> ok, Sandy, I see XML_SMLWG()2:00PM already started
19:01:43 <pratul> Zakim, Microsoft is me
19:01:43 <Zakim> +pratul; got it
19:02:10 <Zakim> + +1.905.413.aaee
19:02:26 <Valentina> zakim, aaee is me
19:02:26 <Zakim> +Valentina; got it
19:02:44 <Jordan> zakim, aabb is me
19:02:44 <Zakim> +Jordan; got it
19:02:54 <Jim> zakim, aacc is me
19:02:54 <Zakim> +Jim; got it
19:03:53 <Jordan> Regrets: Ginnny
19:04:01 <Jordan> s/Ginnny/Ginny/
19:04:19 <Jordan> Topic: Approval of past minutes
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19:04:46 <Jordan> Resolution: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Mar/att-0001/2008-01-21-sml-minutes.html approved
19:05:09 <Jordan> Resolution: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Feb/att-0257/20080122-sml-minutes.html approved
19:05:41 <Jordan> Resolution: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Feb/att-0264/2008-02-21-minutes.htm approved
19:05:58 <Jordan> Topic: F2F Meetings
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19:06:22 <MSM> zakim, please call MSM-617
19:06:23 <Zakim> ok, MSM; the call is being made
19:06:24 <Zakim> +MSM
19:06:46 <Zakim> + +1.845.433.aaff
19:06:53 <johnarwe> zakim, aaff is me
19:06:53 <Zakim> +johnarwe; got it
19:09:41 <Jordan> Pratul: please register for Redwood Shores F2F
19:10:04 <Jordan> Pratul: are there any objections to June F2F in Edinburgh?
19:10:11 <Jordan> no objections noted
19:12:02 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
19:12:34 <johnarwe> zakim, +[Microsoft] is kumar
19:12:37 <Zakim> sorry, johnarwe, I do not recognize a party named '+[Microsoft]'
19:12:53 <johnarwe> zakim, who's on the phone?
19:12:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.828.645.aaaa, pratul, Jordan, Jim, +1.603.823.aadd, Sandy, Valentina, MSM, johnarwe, [Microsoft]
19:13:10 <johnarwe> zakim, [Microsoft] is kumar
19:13:10 <Zakim> +kumar; got it
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19:13:43 <Sandy> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2008/06/edinburgh-meetings-info.html
19:13:53 <johnarwe> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2008/06/edinburgh-meetings-info.html
19:13:56 <Kumar> Kumar has joined #sml
19:14:29 <johnarwe> from Logistics: Hotels 
19:14:29 <johnarwe>  
19:14:29 <johnarwe> Edinburgh has a huge range of hotels, you're best bet for finding one is to use the Web. If you're stuck and can't choose between a few options, let me know and I'll give you my best guess.
19:14:48 <Jordan> Topic: Overdue Actions
19:15:21 <MSM> The meeting space is on or near Buccleuch Place, if that helps.  Or just look for the University.
19:15:22 <Jordan> Pratul: have not touched my two
19:16:02 <Jordan> John: willing to close 110, if others agree
19:16:10 <Zakim> +Zulah_Eckert
19:16:11 <Jordan> Pratul: +1
19:16:18 <Jordan> Resolution: close 110
19:17:43 <Jordan> Topic: Bugs
19:18:29 <MSM> zakim, who's here?
19:18:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.828.645.aaaa, pratul, Jordan, Jim, +1.603.823.aadd, Sandy, Valentina, MSM, johnarwe, kumar, Zulah_Eckert
19:18:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see Kumar, zulah, johnarwe, Kirk, Valentina, Sandy, RRSAgent, Jordan, Zakim, pratul, Jim, MSM, trackbot-ng
19:18:40 <MSM> zakim, unmute Valentina
19:18:40 <Zakim> Valentina was not muted, MSM
19:19:26 <MSM> welcome, Julia 
19:20:16 <Jordan> Pratul: thanks to Valentina for her tremendous service to the group
19:26:45 <Jordan> Resolution: Kirk to send note to SML WG for review, if no major comments are made it will be OK for John to send to the TAG
19:27:25 <Jordan> ... comments are made by EOD tomorrow, 3/7/08
19:27:39 <Jordan> s/made/due/
19:27:57 <Jordan> Topic: Review Bugs (for real this time)
19:28:09 <Jordan> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5505
19:29:06 <Jordan> Pratul: mark as editorial and fix it, if no objections
19:31:01 <Jordan> Resolution: add a comment to clarify that aliases are for documents, mark it editorial and fixed per comment #1
19:32:00 <Jordan> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5506
19:34:51 <Jordan> Pratul: any objections?
19:35:44 <Jordan> EPR TAG NOTE is here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Mar/0029.html
19:36:03 <Jordan> Resolution: mark as editorial and fix it
19:36:19 <Jordan> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5513
19:37:45 <Jordan> Sandy: perhaps further study of XLink is needed for a complete response?
19:38:11 <Jordan> ACTION: Kumar to study XLink and respond to 5513
19:38:12 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-171 - Study XLink and respond to 5513 [on Kumar Pandit - due 2008-03-13].
19:38:26 <johnarwe> s/NOTE is/NOTE DRAFT is/
19:39:49 <Jordan> MSM: will review Kumar's effort on 5513
19:40:08 <Jordan> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5518
19:40:40 <johnarwe> When we move people's comments from mail into bugzilla, we need to make sure we add the originator to the cc list on the bug.
19:43:07 <Jordan> ACTION: Pratul will follow up with Henry and report back to group
19:43:07 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-172 - Will follow up with Henry and report back to group [on Pratul Dublish - due 2008-03-13].
19:45:22 <MSM> [N.B. there is also a potential administrative tangle:  I believe that Bugzilla will only cc: people registered as Bugzilla users.  For Henry's case, that's OK, I believe he's registered.  But if it becomes an issue, I can add people as registered users -- so if adding someone as a CC value leads to problems, whoever is doing the work should contact me to deal with the problem.]
19:46:59 <Jordan> ACTION: MSM to add users to Bugzilla as needed
19:46:59 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-173 - Add users to Bugzilla as needed [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2008-03-13].
19:49:47 <Jordan> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5519
19:53:55 <Jordan> ACTION: Pratul to explain to Henry how SML handles the cases and see what he thinks
19:53:55 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-174 - Explain to Henry how SML handles the cases and see what he thinks [on Pratul Dublish - due 2008-03-13].
19:54:48 <Jordan> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5520
19:55:17 <MSM> Document
19:55:18 <MSM>     A well-formed XML document, as defined in [XML].
19:57:36 <johnarwe> zakim, who's on the phone
19:57:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's on the phone', johnarwe
19:57:48 <johnarwe> zakim, who's on the phone?
19:57:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.828.645.aaaa, pratul, Jordan, Jim, +1.603.823.aadd, Sandy, Valentina, MSM, johnarwe, kumar, Zulah_Eckert
19:59:46 <johnarwe> zakim, aaaa is Julia
19:59:46 <Zakim> +Julia; got it
20:01:38 <Jordan> MSM to send email to Pratul, who will edit/send to Henry
20:01:58 <Jordan> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5521
20:03:10 <Jordan> Pratul: appears to be fixed in LC
20:04:04 <johnarwe> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5298
20:04:05 <Jordan> John: see a related bug for CR, 5298
20:05:21 <Jordan> Resolution: 5521 is a dup of 5298
20:05:44 <Jordan> ... cc Henry as well
20:05:58 <Jordan> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5522
20:06:13 <johnarwe> zakim, aadd is Kirk
20:06:13 <Zakim> +Kirk; got it
20:08:24 <Jordan> John: propose asking submitter if the LC fix satisfies the issue
20:10:04 <Jordan> Resolution: put in wording from LC, mark as fixed, comment further if not satisfied
20:10:21 <Jordan> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5523
20:18:55 <Sandy> bullet 2.b in 4.3.1: "If it does not retrieve a document in the current model, the SML reference scheme instance is unresolved."
20:22:12 <Jordan> Sandy: suggests a non-normative note as well
20:23:05 <Jordan> ACTION: Kumar to formulate proposal for bug 5523
20:23:05 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-175 - Formulate proposal for bug 5523 [on Kumar Pandit - due 2008-03-13].
20:23:21 <Jordan> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5524
20:26:04 <Jordan> Sandy: does not think the bug proposal is accurate, but OK with another title
20:28:04 <Jordan> MSM: agrees with Sandy
20:28:43 <Jordan> ... proposes "not a valid bug"
20:28:47 <Jim> I agree with Sandy
20:29:35 <Jordan> Resolution: we believe the current title is correct, close bug as invalid
20:29:58 <MSM> The attributes and elements on which these mappings rely are present not only in schema documents but also in schemas (in the relevant annotation properties), so we believe the current title is correct.
20:30:27 <Jordan> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5525
20:32:21 <Jordan> MSM: agrees with spirit of complaint, but not the proposed title
20:32:38 <MSM> Maybe "Schema component rule" would be better
20:32:40 <Jordan> ... perhaps "Schema component rule"
20:32:56 <Jim> Sounds good
20:32:58 <MSM> Or just "Schema rule"
20:33:45 <MSM> zakim, who's noisy?
20:33:55 <Zakim> MSM, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pratul (54%), johnarwe (5%)
20:35:15 <MSM> [I agree with SG that having parallel names for rules about schemas and rules about instances -- so maybe also find a new name for current "instance validity" rule?  But in SML terms, the rules about instances ARE validity rules ...]
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20:35:48 <MSM> s/that having/that it's a good idea to have/
20:38:48 <Jordan> Resolution: fix as suggested above by MSM, mark needsReview
20:39:02 <Jordan> s/needsReview/hasProposal/
20:41:53 <Jordan> MSM: give outside reviewers two weeks to respond to work group proposals
20:44:00 <Kumar> The SML WG believes that the changes adopted today resolve this issue fully.  I'm changing its status accordingly.
20:44:00 <Kumar>  
20:44:00 <Kumar> The change in status should cause email to be sent to the originator of this issue, to whom the following request is addressed.
20:44:00 <Kumar>  
20:44:03 <Kumar> Please review the changes adopted and let us know if you agree with this resolution of your issue, by adding a comment to the issue record and changing the Status of the issue to Closed. Or, if you do not agree with this resolution, please add a comment explaining why. If you wish to appeal the WG's decision to the Director, then also change the Status of the record to Reopened. If you wish to record your dissent, but do not wish to
20:44:07 <Kumar> appeal the decision to the Director, then change the Status of the record to Closed. If we do not hear from you in the next two weeks, we will assume you agree with the WG decision.
20:44:56 <johnarwe> (preceding is text xml schema uses for responding to bugs, that sml is considering re-using)
20:45:53 <Jordan> Pratul: any objections to using this text?
20:45:58 <Jordan> Resolution: make it so
20:46:57 <Jordan> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5526
20:47:38 <Jordan> John: the original intent was to not place arbitrary restrictions on depth
20:48:26 <Jordan> Kumar: believes it is clear, but perhaps we could explain more
20:49:15 <MSM> Perhaps s/nested to any depth/with function calls nested to any depth/ ?
20:49:54 <Jordan> Kumar: agrees with MSM change
20:50:36 <Jordan> Resolution: fix as suggested by MSM, mark hasProposal
20:50:45 <Jordan> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5527
20:59:59 <MSM> [As a data point, to answer a question Pratul raised:  yes, use of an unprefixed name for an extension function is not legal in Xpath 1.0. Or so I read Michael Kay's book]
21:04:17 <Zakim> -johnarwe
21:04:19 <Zakim> -Sandy
21:04:20 <Zakim> -pratul
21:04:21 <Zakim> -Valentina
21:04:22 <Zakim> -Julia
21:04:23 <Zakim> -Zulah_Eckert
21:04:23 <Zakim> -Kirk
21:04:30 <Jordan> Resolution: mark needsAgreement
21:04:44 <Zakim> -Jim
21:04:46 <Zakim> -kumar
21:04:48 <Jordan> rrsagent, make log public
21:04:50 <Jim> Jim has left #sml
21:04:57 <Zakim> -MSM
21:05:21 <Zakim> -Jordan
21:05:22 <Zakim> XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended
21:05:23 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.828.645.aaaa, +1.303.495.aabb, +1.610.277.aacc, +1.603.823.aadd, Sandy, pratul, +1.905.413.aaee, Valentina, Jordan, Jim, MSM, +1.845.433.aaff, johnarwe, kumar,
21:05:25 <Zakim> ... Zulah_Eckert, Julia, Kirk
21:05:41 <Jordan> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:05:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-sml-minutes.html Jordan
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21:12:02 <Jordan> zakim, who's here?
21:12:02 <Zakim> apparently XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended, Jordan
21:12:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see zulah, Kumar, Sandy, RRSAgent, Jordan, Zakim, pratul, MSM, trackbot-ng
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