IRC log of sml on 2008-03-06
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-sml-irc
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- 19:00:19 [pratul]
- Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Mar/0018.html
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- Scribe: Jordan Boucher
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- ScribeNick: Jordan
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- Meeting: SML WG Weekly Teleconf
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- Chair: Pratul
- 19:01:21 [Sandy]
- zakim, this will be sml
- 19:01:21 [Zakim]
- ok, Sandy, I see XML_SMLWG()2:00PM already started
- 19:01:43 [pratul]
- Zakim, Microsoft is me
- 19:01:43 [Zakim]
- +pratul; got it
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- + +1.905.413.aaee
- 19:02:26 [Valentina]
- zakim, aaee is me
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- +Valentina; got it
- 19:02:44 [Jordan]
- zakim, aabb is me
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- +Jordan; got it
- 19:02:54 [Jim]
- zakim, aacc is me
- 19:02:54 [Zakim]
- +Jim; got it
- 19:03:53 [Jordan]
- Regrets: Ginnny
- 19:04:01 [Jordan]
- s/Ginnny/Ginny/
- 19:04:19 [Jordan]
- Topic: Approval of past minutes
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- Resolution: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Mar/att-0001/2008-01-21-sml-minutes.html approved
- 19:05:09 [Jordan]
- Resolution: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Feb/att-0257/20080122-sml-minutes.html approved
- 19:05:41 [Jordan]
- Resolution: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Feb/att-0264/2008-02-21-minutes.htm approved
- 19:05:58 [Jordan]
- Topic: F2F Meetings
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- 19:06:22 [MSM]
- zakim, please call MSM-617
- 19:06:23 [Zakim]
- ok, MSM; the call is being made
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- +MSM
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- + +1.845.433.aaff
- 19:06:53 [johnarwe]
- zakim, aaff is me
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- +johnarwe; got it
- 19:09:41 [Jordan]
- Pratul: please register for Redwood Shores F2F
- 19:10:04 [Jordan]
- Pratul: are there any objections to June F2F in Edinburgh?
- 19:10:11 [Jordan]
- no objections noted
- 19:12:02 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 19:12:34 [johnarwe]
- zakim, +[Microsoft] is kumar
- 19:12:37 [Zakim]
- sorry, johnarwe, I do not recognize a party named '+[Microsoft]'
- 19:12:53 [johnarwe]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 19:12:53 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see +1.828.645.aaaa, pratul, Jordan, Jim, +1.603.823.aadd, Sandy, Valentina, MSM, johnarwe, [Microsoft]
- 19:13:10 [johnarwe]
- zakim, [Microsoft] is kumar
- 19:13:10 [Zakim]
- +kumar; got it
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- 19:13:43 [Sandy]
- http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2008/06/edinburgh-meetings-info.html
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- http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2008/06/edinburgh-meetings-info.html
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- 19:14:29 [johnarwe]
- from Logistics: Hotels
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-
- 19:14:29 [johnarwe]
- Edinburgh has a huge range of hotels, you're best bet for finding one is to use the Web. If you're stuck and can't choose between a few options, let me know and I'll give you my best guess.
- 19:14:48 [Jordan]
- Topic: Overdue Actions
- 19:15:21 [MSM]
- The meeting space is on or near Buccleuch Place, if that helps. Or just look for the University.
- 19:15:22 [Jordan]
- Pratul: have not touched my two
- 19:16:02 [Jordan]
- John: willing to close 110, if others agree
- 19:16:10 [Zakim]
- +Zulah_Eckert
- 19:16:11 [Jordan]
- Pratul: +1
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- Resolution: close 110
- 19:17:43 [Jordan]
- Topic: Bugs
- 19:18:29 [MSM]
- zakim, who's here?
- 19:18:29 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see +1.828.645.aaaa, pratul, Jordan, Jim, +1.603.823.aadd, Sandy, Valentina, MSM, johnarwe, kumar, Zulah_Eckert
- 19:18:32 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Kumar, zulah, johnarwe, Kirk, Valentina, Sandy, RRSAgent, Jordan, Zakim, pratul, Jim, MSM, trackbot-ng
- 19:18:40 [MSM]
- zakim, unmute Valentina
- 19:18:40 [Zakim]
- Valentina was not muted, MSM
- 19:19:26 [MSM]
- welcome, Julia
- 19:20:16 [Jordan]
- Pratul: thanks to Valentina for her tremendous service to the group
- 19:26:45 [Jordan]
- Resolution: Kirk to send note to SML WG for review, if no major comments are made it will be OK for John to send to the TAG
- 19:27:25 [Jordan]
- ... comments are made by EOD tomorrow, 3/7/08
- 19:27:39 [Jordan]
- s/made/due/
- 19:27:57 [Jordan]
- Topic: Review Bugs (for real this time)
- 19:28:09 [Jordan]
- Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5505
- 19:29:06 [Jordan]
- Pratul: mark as editorial and fix it, if no objections
- 19:31:01 [Jordan]
- Resolution: add a comment to clarify that aliases are for documents, mark it editorial and fixed per comment #1
- 19:32:00 [Jordan]
- Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5506
- 19:34:51 [Jordan]
- Pratul: any objections?
- 19:35:44 [Jordan]
- EPR TAG NOTE is here: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Mar/0029.html
- 19:36:03 [Jordan]
- Resolution: mark as editorial and fix it
- 19:36:19 [Jordan]
- Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5513
- 19:37:45 [Jordan]
- Sandy: perhaps further study of XLink is needed for a complete response?
- 19:38:11 [Jordan]
- ACTION: Kumar to study XLink and respond to 5513
- 19:38:12 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-171 - Study XLink and respond to 5513 [on Kumar Pandit - due 2008-03-13].
- 19:38:26 [johnarwe]
- s/NOTE is/NOTE DRAFT is/
- 19:39:49 [Jordan]
- MSM: will review Kumar's effort on 5513
- 19:40:08 [Jordan]
- Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5518
- 19:40:40 [johnarwe]
- When we move people's comments from mail into bugzilla, we need to make sure we add the originator to the cc list on the bug.
- 19:43:07 [Jordan]
- ACTION: Pratul will follow up with Henry and report back to group
- 19:43:07 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-172 - Will follow up with Henry and report back to group [on Pratul Dublish - due 2008-03-13].
- 19:45:22 [MSM]
- [N.B. there is also a potential administrative tangle: I believe that Bugzilla will only cc: people registered as Bugzilla users. For Henry's case, that's OK, I believe he's registered. But if it becomes an issue, I can add people as registered users -- so if adding someone as a CC value leads to problems, whoever is doing the work should contact me to deal with the problem.]
- 19:46:59 [Jordan]
- ACTION: MSM to add users to Bugzilla as needed
- 19:46:59 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-173 - Add users to Bugzilla as needed [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2008-03-13].
- 19:49:47 [Jordan]
- Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5519
- 19:53:55 [Jordan]
- ACTION: Pratul to explain to Henry how SML handles the cases and see what he thinks
- 19:53:55 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-174 - Explain to Henry how SML handles the cases and see what he thinks [on Pratul Dublish - due 2008-03-13].
- 19:54:48 [Jordan]
- Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5520
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- Document
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- A well-formed XML document, as defined in [XML].
- 19:57:36 [johnarwe]
- zakim, who's on the phone
- 19:57:36 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who's on the phone', johnarwe
- 19:57:48 [johnarwe]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 19:57:48 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see +1.828.645.aaaa, pratul, Jordan, Jim, +1.603.823.aadd, Sandy, Valentina, MSM, johnarwe, kumar, Zulah_Eckert
- 19:59:46 [johnarwe]
- zakim, aaaa is Julia
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- +Julia; got it
- 20:01:38 [Jordan]
- MSM to send email to Pratul, who will edit/send to Henry
- 20:01:58 [Jordan]
- Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5521
- 20:03:10 [Jordan]
- Pratul: appears to be fixed in LC
- 20:04:04 [johnarwe]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5298
- 20:04:05 [Jordan]
- John: see a related bug for CR, 5298
- 20:05:21 [Jordan]
- Resolution: 5521 is a dup of 5298
- 20:05:44 [Jordan]
- ... cc Henry as well
- 20:05:58 [Jordan]
- Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5522
- 20:06:13 [johnarwe]
- zakim, aadd is Kirk
- 20:06:13 [Zakim]
- +Kirk; got it
- 20:08:24 [Jordan]
- John: propose asking submitter if the LC fix satisfies the issue
- 20:10:04 [Jordan]
- Resolution: put in wording from LC, mark as fixed, comment further if not satisfied
- 20:10:21 [Jordan]
- Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5523
- 20:18:55 [Sandy]
- bullet 2.b in 4.3.1: "If it does not retrieve a document in the current model, the SML reference scheme instance is unresolved."
- 20:22:12 [Jordan]
- Sandy: suggests a non-normative note as well
- 20:23:05 [Jordan]
- ACTION: Kumar to formulate proposal for bug 5523
- 20:23:05 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-175 - Formulate proposal for bug 5523 [on Kumar Pandit - due 2008-03-13].
- 20:23:21 [Jordan]
- Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5524
- 20:26:04 [Jordan]
- Sandy: does not think the bug proposal is accurate, but OK with another title
- 20:28:43 [Jordan]
- ... proposes "not a valid bug"
- 20:28:47 [Jim]
- I agree with Sandy
- 20:29:35 [Jordan]
- Resolution: we believe the current title is correct, close bug as invalid
- 20:29:58 [MSM]
- The attributes and elements on which these mappings rely are present not only in schema documents but also in schemas (in the relevant annotation properties), so we believe the current title is correct.
- 20:30:27 [Jordan]
- Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5525
- 20:32:21 [Jordan]
- MSM: agrees with spirit of complaint, but not the proposed title
- 20:32:38 [MSM]
- Maybe "Schema component rule" would be better
- 20:32:40 [Jordan]
- ... perhaps "Schema component rule"
- 20:32:56 [Jim]
- Sounds good
- 20:32:58 [MSM]
- Or just "Schema rule"
- 20:33:45 [MSM]
- zakim, who's noisy?
- 20:33:55 [Zakim]
- MSM, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: pratul (54%), johnarwe (5%)
- 20:35:15 [MSM]
- [I agree with SG that having parallel names for rules about schemas and rules about instances -- so maybe also find a new name for current "instance validity" rule? But in SML terms, the rules about instances ARE validity rules ...]
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- 20:35:48 [MSM]
- s/that having/that it's a good idea to have/
- 20:38:48 [Jordan]
- Resolution: fix as suggested above by MSM, mark needsReview
- 20:39:02 [Jordan]
- s/needsReview/hasProposal/
- 20:41:53 [Jordan]
- MSM: give outside reviewers two weeks to respond to work group proposals
- 20:44:00 [Kumar]
- The SML WG believes that the changes adopted today resolve this issue fully. I'm changing its status accordingly.
- 20:44:00 [Kumar]
-
- 20:44:00 [Kumar]
- The change in status should cause email to be sent to the originator of this issue, to whom the following request is addressed.
- 20:44:00 [Kumar]
-
- 20:44:03 [Kumar]
- Please review the changes adopted and let us know if you agree with this resolution of your issue, by adding a comment to the issue record and changing the Status of the issue to Closed. Or, if you do not agree with this resolution, please add a comment explaining why. If you wish to appeal the WG's decision to the Director, then also change the Status of the record to Reopened. If you wish to record your dissent, but do not wish to
- 20:44:07 [Kumar]
- appeal the decision to the Director, then change the Status of the record to Closed. If we do not hear from you in the next two weeks, we will assume you agree with the WG decision.
- 20:44:56 [johnarwe]
- (preceding is text xml schema uses for responding to bugs, that sml is considering re-using)
- 20:45:53 [Jordan]
- Pratul: any objections to using this text?
- 20:45:58 [Jordan]
- Resolution: make it so
- 20:46:57 [Jordan]
- Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5526
- 20:47:38 [Jordan]
- John: the original intent was to not place arbitrary restrictions on depth
- 20:48:26 [Jordan]
- Kumar: believes it is clear, but perhaps we could explain more
- 20:49:15 [MSM]
- Perhaps s/nested to any depth/with function calls nested to any depth/ ?
- 20:49:54 [Jordan]
- Kumar: agrees with MSM change
- 20:50:36 [Jordan]
- Resolution: fix as suggested by MSM, mark hasProposal
- 20:50:45 [Jordan]
- Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5527
- 20:59:59 [MSM]
- [As a data point, to answer a question Pratul raised: yes, use of an unprefixed name for an extension function is not legal in Xpath 1.0. Or so I read Michael Kay's book]
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- -johnarwe
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- -Sandy
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- -pratul
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- -Valentina
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- -Julia
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- -Zulah_Eckert
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- -Kirk
- 21:04:30 [Jordan]
- Resolution: mark needsAgreement
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- -Jim
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- -kumar
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- -MSM
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- -Jordan
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- XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were +1.828.645.aaaa, +1.303.495.aabb, +1.610.277.aacc, +1.603.823.aadd, Sandy, pratul, +1.905.413.aaee, Valentina, Jordan, Jim, MSM, +1.845.433.aaff, johnarwe, kumar,
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- ... Zulah_Eckert, Julia, Kirk
- 21:05:41 [Jordan]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 21:05:41 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/03/06-sml-minutes.html Jordan
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- 21:12:02 [Jordan]
- zakim, who's here?
- 21:12:02 [Zakim]
- apparently XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended, Jordan
- 21:12:03 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see zulah, Kumar, Sandy, RRSAgent, Jordan, Zakim, pratul, MSM, trackbot-ng
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