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SML teleconference

14 Feb 2008

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
MSM, johnarwe, Valentina, Jim, pratul, ginny, Kumar, Sandy, jboucher, Zulah_Eckert
Regrets
Chair
John
Scribe
Valentina

Contents


 

 

<scribe> scribenick: Valentina

Approval of minutes from previous meeting(s)

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Feb/att-0086/SML_Teleconference_--_07_Feb_2008.htm

Ginny: a discussion about the SML-IF consumer, required a bug to be opened by Ginny; Ginny is not planning to submit a bug

Kumar: not confortable with the current text but can accept the current content

<MSM> Ginny, is this in connection with 4675?

Ginny: all the notes dicussion is not in the meeting minutes;the notes were private

John: Kumar will take a look at the minutes and minutes will be approved next week

<MSM> So for purposes of today's minutes, the key points are (a) that Ginny doesn't currently plan to open a bug after all, and (b) Kumar is reluctantly willing to let it go

news from the CG

John: plan to point them to the editor's copy as soon as 5181 is finalized

Action items

John: proposal for 5417 is overdue

Kumar: On action 9, a discussion had taken place with the right group. It seems that there is no best practices available yet.
... proposes to close this action until a best practices is defined

Resolution: Kumar will close this action

John: Kirk has one action overdue; Kirk not here today

Review bugs with no keywords or target

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5390

John: proposes to target this for CR

Resolution: target bug to CR

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5478

John: propose to mark editorial, and target for LC

Resolution: mark editorial, target to LC

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5423

Ginny: commenting on John's description in comment #7
... proposes to reduce the amount of text in these definitions; they are repeated in other sections

John: remove the second sentence in all three definitions and leave the rest ( looking at comment #7 in bugzilla )

Resoultion: remove the second sentence in all three definitions and leave the rest ( looking at comment #7 in bugzilla )

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5398

Ginny: has a problem with vacuous document
... need a definition of this term

Kumar: used this term because MSM mentioned that XML Schema is using the same term

MSM: does not remember about this term in XML Schema

Kumar: Ginny is fine with the notion but not the used word; proposes to have Ginny come up with a better term

Ginny: agrees to propose a new term

Resolutionmy phone seesm to be on mute..

I can hear you but can't tak..

yes

I'll call back

<ginny> ACTION: Virginia to open bug to decide on a term for 'vacuous' [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-sml-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-170 - Open bug to decide on a term for 'vacuous' [on Virginia Smith - due 2008-02-21].

Tpic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5398

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5306

Resolution: closed as resolved

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5418

<MSM> [Not something that needs to delay resolution of the bug, but a possible editorial change: for the existing text, read:

<MSM> An SML-IF producer MAY declare that a model conforms to a specific

<MSM> version of the SML-IF specification by including the version number of

<MSM> the relevant specification as the value of the SMLIFVersion attribute

<MSM> in the document's model element.

<MSM> ]

<johnarwe> preceding is a re-word of 1st sentence, relevant to 5306

MSM: suggests an editorial update, see comments above

Resolution: resolved, with a possible update as suggested by MSM

<johnarwe> 06MSM can live with that, won't open new bug01

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5063

Kumar: agrees with Sandy's comments covered under comment #17

Resolution: make the changes proposed in comment #17 and close the defect as resolved ( mark editorial )

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5064

Kumar: addressed by the proposal in 5063, comment #17

Resolution: will be closed when 5063 is resolved

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5402

Resolution: close as resolved

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5408

MSM: suggests to link this defect with 5462

Resolution: close as resolved

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5416

Resolution: close as resolved

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5424

Ginny: the note sections should be changed to align with the standard format for notes

MSM: proposes to remove 'This note is non-normative' from all notes and make a note at the beginning about all notes being non-normative

<MSM> [The rule about notes being non-normative is in fact already present in 2.1: "The content of this specification is normative except for sections, notes, or texts that are explicitly marked as non-normative."]

Kumar: can fix 6a and 6b from comment #3; proposes to mark the bug editorial

Resolution: mark editorial and fix according to comment #3

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5462

John: leave more time for the group to review comments #5 and #6; mark bug editorial

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5448

Resolution: close as resolved

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5450

John: no reason for keeping this defect opened

Resolution: close as resolved

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5457

Resolution: close as resolved

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5410

Resolution: close as resolved

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5417

Kumar: wonder if the defect requires to clarify an existing notion or expects to change the meaning
... if this requires chages in the meaning of the rules, this change may affect the LC date

MSM: not sure if this is going to fall in the first or second bucket

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5429

Resolution: close as resolved

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5395

Resolution: close as resolved

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5400

Resolution: close as resolved

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5430

shoud be closed :)

Resolution: close as resolved

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5437

yes

Resolution: close as resolved

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5463

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5181

Ginny: still reading through this section
... the non-normative section is a bit confusing
... will have this done by tomorrow

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5479

http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5463

<johnarwe> A set of XML documents is a conforming SML model if and only if it satisfies the following conditions:

<johnarwe> 1.

<johnarwe> Each document in the model MUST be a well-formed XML document [XML]

<johnarwe> 2.

<johnarwe> Each XML Schema document in the model's definition documents MUST satisfy the conditions expressed in Errors in Schema Construction and Structure (�5.1). [XML Schema Structures]

<johnarwe> 3.

<johnarwe> Each Schematron document in the model's definition documents MUST be a valid Schematron document [ISO/IEC 19757-3]

MSM: is the requirement mentioned in this defect feasible ?

Kumar: the requirement is not that the references be valid but to be defined using the SML URI reference scheme

MSM: Kumar's comment addresses his concern

<MSM> [But I notice a new concern: what we intend is that the SML-IF producer's output be 'equivalent' to the input SML model, for some suitable definition of equivalence.]

<MSM> [But the current prose does not define equivalence. I think I'm hearing Kumar say a suitable definition of equivalence is not possible.]

<MSM> If an SML-IF producer translates every SML model as input into <sml:if/> (or whatever the smallest SML-IF model is), is it

<MSM> (a) conforming but not very useful, or

<MSM> (b) non-conforming?

<Jordan> hard stop, bfn

Resolution: fix the bug as in comment #1 and add a non-normative section stating that the expectation is that the in put and output model are equivalent; the notion of equivalence will not be defined

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: Virginia to open bug to decide on a term for 'vacuous' [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/14-sml-minutes.html#action01]
 
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