00:00:00 <scribenick> PRESENT: Jie Bao, Achille Fokoue, Christine Golbreich, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Sandro Hawke, Ivan Herman, Rinke Hoekstra, Ian Horrocks, Markus Krötzsch, Boris Motik, Jeff Pan, Peter Patel-Schneider, Alan Ruttenberg, Uli Sattler, Michael Schneider, Evan Wallace
00:00:00 <scribenick> REGRETS: Elisa Kendall, Mike Smith
00:00:00 <scribenick> CHAIR: Ian Horrocks
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17:57:50 <IanH> zakim, ??P0 is IanH
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17:58:46 <Zakim> +??P5
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17:58:47 <IanH> RRSAgent, make records public
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17:58:52 <Zakim> +??P6
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17:58:52 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P15 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P15 is me ←
17:58:53 <Zakim> I already had ??P15 as sylvaing, bcuencagrau
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17:59:06 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P6 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P6 is me ←
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17:59:13 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau
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17:59:20 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
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17:59:28 <IanH> IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.11.26/Agenda
Ian Horrocks: IanH has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.11.26/Agenda ←
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17:59:38 <Zakim> sorry, bcuencagrau, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bcuencagrau, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
17:59:41 <bmotik> Zakim, ??p6 is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, ??p6 is me ←
17:59:41 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
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17:59:44 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:59:44 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
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17:59:48 <Zakim> +??P7
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17:59:50 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
17:59:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, ??P5, Peter_Patel-Schneider, bmotik (muted), ??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, ??P5, Peter_Patel-Schneider, bmotik (muted), ??P7 ←
17:59:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see bcuencagrau, schneid, ivan, Rinke, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, IanH, pfps, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bcuencagrau, schneid, ivan, Rinke, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, IanH, pfps, sandro, trackbot ←
17:59:58 <Zakim> -??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P5 ←
18:00:00 <schneid> zakim, ??P7 is me
Michael Schneider: zakim, ??P7 is me ←
18:00:00 <Zakim> +schneid; got it
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18:00:03 <Zakim> +Rinke
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rinke ←
18:00:04 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
18:00:05 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
18:00:07 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
18:00:07 <schneid> scribe is here!
Michael Schneider: scribe is here! ←
18:00:18 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
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18:00:30 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
18:00:34 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P5 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P5 is me ←
18:00:34 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it ←
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Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me ←
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18:00:39 <IanH> ScribeNick: schneid
(Scribe set to Michael Schneider)
18:01:00 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
18:01:23 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
18:01:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, Peter_Patel-Schneider, bmotik (muted), schneid, Rinke, Ivan (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, Peter_Patel-Schneider, bmotik (muted), schneid, Rinke, Ivan (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro ←
18:01:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see uli, MarkusK_, baojie, bcuencagrau, schneid, ivan, Rinke, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, IanH, pfps, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see uli, MarkusK_, baojie, bcuencagrau, schneid, ivan, Rinke, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, IanH, pfps, sandro, trackbot ←
18:01:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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18:01:58 <Zakim> +??P12
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18:02:02 <schneid> Topic: Admin
18:02:06 <uli> zakim, ??P12 is me
Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P12 is me ←
18:02:06 <Zakim> +uli; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it ←
18:02:08 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here? ←
18:02:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, Peter_Patel-Schneider, bmotik (muted), schneid, Rinke, Ivan (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro, MarkusK_, uli
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH, Peter_Patel-Schneider, bmotik (muted), schneid, Rinke, Ivan (muted), bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro, MarkusK_, uli ←
18:02:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see uli, MarkusK_, baojie, bcuencagrau, schneid, ivan, Rinke, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, IanH, pfps, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see uli, MarkusK_, baojie, bcuencagrau, schneid, ivan, Rinke, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, IanH, pfps, sandro, trackbot ←
18:02:12 <uli> zakim, mute me
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18:02:12 <schneid> Subtopic: Role Call
18:02:22 <schneid> Subtopic: Agenda Amendments
18:02:41 <schneid> IanH: I added additional points to the agenda recently
Ian Horrocks: I added additional points to the agenda recently ←
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18:02:54 <baojie> Zakim, aaaa is baojie
Jie Bao: Zakim, aaaa is baojie ←
18:02:54 <Zakim> +baojie; got it
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18:02:55 <Zakim> +[IBM]
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18:02:56 <schneid> Subtopic: Accept Previous Minutes
18:02:56 <uli> look fine to me
Uli Sattler: look fine to me ←
18:03:05 <pfps> they look OK to me
Peter Patel-Schneider: they look OK to me ←
18:03:07 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is me
Achille Fokoue: Zakim, IBM is me ←
18:03:07 <Zakim> +Achille; got it
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18:03:16 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
18:03:18 <Rinke> look ok to me as well
Rinke Hoekstra: look ok to me as well ←
18:03:19 <schneid> IanH: Peter finds them ok
Ian Horrocks: Peter finds them ok ←
18:03:28 <schneid> IanH: i also find them pretty ok
Ian Horrocks: i also find them pretty ok ←
18:03:50 <Zakim> +Jonathan_Rees
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18:04:07 <alanr> zakim, Jonathan_Rees is me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, Jonathan_Rees is me ←
18:04:07 <Zakim> +alanr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +alanr; got it ←
18:04:11 <pfps> RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (19 November)
RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes (19 November) ←
18:04:20 <schneid> Subtopic: Actions
18:04:28 <schneid> Subsubtopic: Action 251: rdf:XMLLiteral (Boris Motik)
18:04:38 <schneid> IanH: Action about rdf:XMLLiteral was on Boris, any complaints?
Ian Horrocks: Action about rdf:XMLLiteral was on Boris, any complaints? ←
18:04:39 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:04:45 <Zakim> +StuartTaylor
Zakim IRC Bot: +StuartTaylor ←
18:04:56 <alanr> zakim, mute me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, mute me ←
18:04:56 <Zakim> alanr should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should now be muted ←
18:04:57 <JeffP> zakim, StuartTaylor is me
Jeff Pan: zakim, StuartTaylor is me ←
18:04:58 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeffP; got it ←
18:05:09 <schneid> Subsubtopic: Action 250: MIME Type Registration (Sandro Hawke)
18:05:13 <schneid> Sandro: ok
Sandro Hawke: ok ←
18:05:22 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:05:23 <schneid> Subsubtopic: Action 249: SOTD text on Round 4 (Ian Horrocks)
18:05:33 <schneid> IanH: I have made it
Ian Horrocks: I have made it ←
18:05:50 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:05:55 <schneid> Subsubtopic: Action 248: Consult with Editors (Ian Horrocks)
18:06:04 <schneid> IanH: any comments on Action 248?
Ian Horrocks: any comments on ACTION-248? ←
18:06:17 <schneid> Topic: Reviewing and Publishing
18:06:34 <schneid> IanH: This is the last telecom before publication of LC documents
Ian Horrocks: This is the last telecom before publication of LC documents ←
18:06:46 <schneid> IanH: Thanks to editors
Ian Horrocks: Thanks to editors ←
18:06:49 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:06:58 <schneid> IanH: thinks that the documents are in good shape
Ian Horrocks: thinks that the documents are in good shape ←
18:07:16 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:07:24 <schneid> IanH: related actions also seem to be done, except for those we are going to talk about today
Ian Horrocks: related actions also seem to be done, except for those we are going to talk about today ←
18:07:30 <schneid> Subtopic: Document Status Check
18:07:36 <schneid> IanH: Let's go through the list of documents, and ask editors
Ian Horrocks: Let's go through the list of documents, and ask editors ←
18:07:38 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:08:06 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:08:17 <schneid> Sandro: there are still some typographical and other problems
Sandro Hawke: there are still some typographical and other problems ←
18:08:27 <schneid> q+
q+ ←
18:08:32 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:08:37 <IanH> ack schneid
Ian Horrocks: ack schneid ←
18:09:25 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:09:42 <schneid> schneid: I will be finished with my editorial work/checks of the Full document tomorrow evening
Michael Schneider: I will be finished with my editorial work/checks of the Full document tomorrow evening ←
18:09:53 <schneid> IanH: please send then a mail to let Sandro know
Ian Horrocks: please send then a mail to let Sandro know ←
18:10:00 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:10:10 <schneid> Subtopic: rdf:text
18:10:19 <schneid> IanH: there was some issue with rdf:text
Ian Horrocks: there was some issue with rdf:text ←
18:10:24 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:10:35 <schneid> Subtopic: Primer
18:10:44 <schneid> IanH: we discussed last week about the Primer
Ian Horrocks: we discussed last week about the Primer ←
18:11:31 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:11:43 <sandro> Sandro: let's mention what's going on with Primer in the the SOTD of QuickRef
Sandro Hawke: let's mention what's going on with Primer in the the SOTD of QuickRef [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:12:08 <schneid> Sandro: I can go and work on it
Sandro Hawke: I can go and work on it ←
18:12:13 <sandro> ACTION: ian mention what's going on with Primer in the the SOTD of QuickRef
ACTION: ian mention what's going on with Primer in the the SOTD of QuickRef ←
18:12:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-253 - Mention what's going on with Primer in the the SOTD of QuickRef [on Ian Horrocks - due 2008-12-03].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-253 - Mention what's going on with Primer in the the SOTD of QuickRef [on Ian Horrocks - due 2008-12-03]. ←
18:12:50 <schneid> Subtopic: Grammar appendices
18:13:06 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:13:27 <schneid> IanH: believes that boris will fill appendix when everything else will be fine
Ian Horrocks: believes that boris will fill appendix when everything else will be fine ←
18:13:32 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:13:38 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace ←
18:14:02 <schneid> IanH: can we go to LC with EdNotes there?
Ian Horrocks: can we go to LC with EdNotes there? ←
18:14:11 <schneid> Sandro: No problem, will be no change in design
Sandro Hawke: No problem, will be no change in design ←
18:14:12 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:14:18 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:14:21 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:14:25 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:14:25 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:14:33 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:14:38 <schneid> IanH: it's just pasting text from the document to the appendix
Ian Horrocks: it's just pasting text from the document to the appendix ←
18:14:56 <schneid> bmotik: I can do this tomorrow for Profiles
Boris Motik: I can do this tomorrow for Profiles ←
18:15:06 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:15:40 <bmotik> ACTION: bmotik2 to Create missing grammars in the documents
ACTION: bmotik2 to Create missing grammars in the documents ←
18:15:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-254 - Create missing grammars in the documents [on Boris Motik - due 2008-12-03].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-254 - Create missing grammars in the documents [on Boris Motik - due 2008-12-03]. ←
18:15:44 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:15:44 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:15:45 <schneid> IanH: otherwise people will have a hard time to work with this document
Ian Horrocks: otherwise people will have a hard time to work with this document ←
18:15:50 <alanr> zakim, unmute me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, unmute me ←
18:15:50 <Zakim> alanr should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should no longer be muted ←
18:15:59 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:16:09 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:16:12 <bmotik> Let's remove this section
Boris Motik: Let's remove this section ←
18:16:12 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:16:14 <schneid> Subtopic: Differences from OWL 1
18:16:16 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
18:16:34 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:16:36 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
18:16:40 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:16:41 <schneid> alanr: a good thing to have such a section there
Alan Ruttenberg: a good thing to have such a section there ←
18:16:47 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:16:48 <schneid> q+
q+ ←
18:16:49 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:16:53 <Zakim> bmotik was not muted, bmotik
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik was not muted, bmotik ←
18:17:04 <alanr> zakim, mute me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, mute me ←
18:17:04 <Zakim> alanr should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should now be muted ←
18:17:07 <IanH> ack schneid
Ian Horrocks: ack schneid ←
18:17:12 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:17:44 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:17:55 <alanr> +1 to putting it in new features as well
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 to putting it in new features as well ←
18:18:14 <alanr> perhaps leave an editors note there
Alan Ruttenberg: perhaps leave an editors note there ←
18:18:19 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:18:34 <bmotik> can I remove this section?
Boris Motik: can I remove this section? ←
18:18:35 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:18:36 <schneid> schneid: have started to create an item list on changes to OWL 1 Full, but will finish it not before LC
Michael Schneider: have started to create an item list on changes to OWL 1 Full, but will finish it not before LC ←
18:18:41 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:18:53 <schneid> IanH: what about putting it in special document
Ian Horrocks: what about putting it in special document ←
18:19:17 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:19:19 <schneid> schneid: will go on with Full document for the moment, and then move it, if we decide to put it there
Michael Schneider: will go on with Full document for the moment, and then move it, if we decide to put it there ←
18:19:21 <bmotik> q-
Boris Motik: q- ←
18:19:21 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:20:47 <schneid> IanH: (explains to christine) we have currently a section in the Syntax document on changes between OWL 1 and 2, but discuss to move this section to the separate document
Ian Horrocks: (explains to christine) we have currently a section in the Syntax document on changes between OWL 1 and 2, but discuss to move this section to the separate document ←
18:20:55 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:21:03 <schneid> Subtopic: Relative URIs
18:21:06 <alanr> zakim, unmute me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, unmute me ←
18:21:06 <Zakim> alanr should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr should no longer be muted ←
18:21:07 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:21:08 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:21:14 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
18:21:30 <schneid> IanH: believes to understand the state of discussion was that nothing needs to be done
Ian Horrocks: believes to understand the state of discussion was that nothing needs to be done ←
18:21:31 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:21:45 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:21:51 <sandro> (referred section of Syntax, from above is: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Appendix:_Differences_from_OWL_1_Abstract_Syntax_.28Nonnormative.29 )
Sandro Hawke: (referred section of Syntax, from above is: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax#Appendix:_Differences_from_OWL_1_Abstract_Syntax_.28Nonnormative.29 ) ←
18:22:47 <schneid> bmotik: realized after email discussion
Boris Motik: realized after email discussion ←
18:23:19 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:23:21 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:23:26 <schneid> ... if shifting documents around, the relative URI will get resolved with something else
... if shifting documents around, the relative URI will get resolved with something else ←
18:23:27 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:23:30 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
18:24:08 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:24:14 <IanH> alanr: previously said that he only wanted to make sure that use of relative URIs is not outlawed.
Alan Ruttenberg: previously said that he only wanted to make sure that use of relative URIs is not outlawed. [ Scribe Assist by Ian Horrocks ] ←
18:24:17 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:24:33 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:24:36 <schneid> alanr: we don't want to prohibit tools from doing it
Alan Ruttenberg: we don't want to prohibit tools from doing it ←
18:25:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:25:09 <schneid> bmotik: several syntaxes have a base (RDF syntax, Functional syntax)
Boris Motik: several syntaxes have a base (RDF syntax, Functional syntax) ←
18:25:15 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:25:39 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:26:24 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:26:42 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:26:51 <schneid> bmotik: not mentioned anywhere, it's up to the tools
Boris Motik: not mentioned anywhere, it's up to the tools ←
18:26:59 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:27:14 <alanr> nothing prohibits a tool from reserializating a relative URI found in a document as a relative URI, despite the fact that the structure only has full URIs.
Alan Ruttenberg: nothing prohibits a tool from reserializating a relative URI found in a document as a relative URI, despite the fact that the structure only has full URIs. ←
18:27:15 <schneid> Subtopic: RIF coordination
18:27:18 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:27:23 <JeffP> q+
18:27:50 <schneid> IanH: issues were about datatypes and OWL RL
Ian Horrocks: issues were about datatypes and OWL RL ←
18:27:54 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:27:57 <uli> q+
Uli Sattler: q+ ←
18:28:01 <IanH> ack JeffP
Ian Horrocks: ack JeffP ←
18:28:04 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:28:21 <schneid> JeffP: RIF document talks about DLP, not OWL RL
Jeff Pan: RIF document talks about DLP, not OWL RL ←
18:28:27 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
18:28:27 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should no longer be muted ←
18:28:29 <IanH> ack uli
Ian Horrocks: ack uli ←
18:28:52 <schneid> uli: has sent a review to RIF WG on RIF / OWL compatibility
Uli Sattler: has sent a review to RIF WG on RIF / OWL compatibility ←
18:29:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:29:20 <schneid> ... main point was that it would make things easier when replacing DLP by OWL RL
... main point was that it would make things easier when replacing DLP by OWL RL ←
18:29:43 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:29:46 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
18:29:55 <uli> zakim, unmute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, unmute me ←
18:29:55 <Zakim> uli was not muted, uli
Zakim IRC Bot: uli was not muted, uli ←
18:29:59 <uli> zakim, mute me
Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me ←
18:29:59 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted ←
18:30:23 <schneid> IanH: understood mail from Uli that RIF should be brought up to date to current OWL development
Ian Horrocks: understood mail from Uli that RIF should be brought up to date to current OWL development ←
18:31:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:31:25 <schneid> alanr: we could add At-Risk note in Profiles that we are coordinating with RIF
Alan Ruttenberg: we could add At-Risk note in Profiles that we are coordinating with RIF ←
18:31:39 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:31:39 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:31:41 <schneid> q+
q+ ←
18:31:49 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
18:31:49 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
18:32:04 <schneid> sandro: have doubts about this
Sandro Hawke: have doubts about this ←
18:32:07 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:32:29 <schneid> q-
q- ←
18:32:34 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:33:08 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:33:12 <schneid> alanr: should we consider for something like "the RL rules should be represented in RIF style"?
Alan Ruttenberg: should we consider for something like "the RL rules should be represented in RIF style"? ←
18:33:21 <schneid> sandro: we should do
Sandro Hawke: we should do ←
18:33:39 <schneid> sandro: changing to RIF wouldn't change anything in essence
Sandro Hawke: changing to RIF wouldn't change anything in essence ←
18:34:05 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:34:15 <IanH> ack ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack ivan ←
18:34:34 <schneid> ivan: "at-risk" idea looks strange to him
Ivan Herman: "at-risk" idea looks strange to him ←
18:34:39 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:35:23 <schneid> ivan: no reason for us to say "at risk" because RIF has chance to simply comment on LC
Ivan Herman: no reason for us to say "at risk" because RIF has chance to simply comment on LC ←
18:36:14 <pfps> +1 to Ivan's proposal
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to Ivan's proposal ←
18:36:23 <pfps> ... (so far)
Peter Patel-Schneider: ... (so far) ←
18:36:23 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:36:29 <schneid> ivan: it's not necessary to have RIF representation in the profiles spec, we can have a Note coordinated with the RIF WG, which represents the RL rules in RIF style
Ivan Herman: it's not necessary to have RIF representation in the profiles spec, we can have a Note coordinated with the RIF WG, which represents the RL rules in RIF style ←
18:37:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:37:14 <sandro> q+ to suggest at-risking all DT's not in RIF
Sandro Hawke: q+ to suggest at-risking all DT's not in RIF ←
18:37:17 <schneid> ivan: we should not delay our process for this topic
Ivan Herman: we should not delay our process for this topic ←
18:37:57 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:38:06 <schneid> bmotik: if this is a risky topic, then we should have a telco with the RIF people, and ask what the differences are to current style for rules
Boris Motik: if this is a risky topic, then we should have a telco with the RIF people, and ask what the differences are to current style for rules ←
18:38:06 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:38:27 <IanH> ack sandro
Ian Horrocks: ack sandro ←
18:38:27 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to suggest at-risking all DT's not in RIF
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to suggest at-risking all DT's not in RIF ←
18:38:32 <schneid> sandro: supports idea by bmotik
Sandro Hawke: supports idea by bmotik ←
18:38:55 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:39:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:39:25 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:39:27 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:39:51 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:39:57 <IanH> ack alanr
Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←
18:40:02 <ivan> zakim, mute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, mute me ←
18:40:02 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should now be muted ←
18:40:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:40:41 <ivan> +1 to an editorial note
Ivan Herman: +1 to an editorial note ←
18:40:48 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:41:01 <sandro> +1 editorial note that a RIF serialization will come along.
Sandro Hawke: +1 editorial note that a RIF serialization will come along. ←
18:41:02 <schneid> alanr: supports having editorial note in the Profiles document on talking about coordination with RIF WG
Alan Ruttenberg: supports having editorial note in the Profiles document on talking about coordination with RIF WG ←
18:41:13 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:41:14 <ivan> q+
Ivan Herman: q+ ←
18:41:14 <schneid> ... in order to give people a chance to comment on this
... in order to give people a chance to comment on this ←
18:41:21 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:41:25 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
Ivan Herman: zakim, unmute me ←
18:41:25 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan should no longer be muted ←
18:41:38 <JeffP> yes
18:41:52 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:41:54 <schneid> bmotik: datatype issue, RIF does not have all these string based datatypes that are in OWL 2
Boris Motik: datatype issue, RIF does not have all these string based datatypes that are in OWL 2 ←
18:42:16 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:42:24 <schneid> ... don't believe that set of datatypes have to be the same between RIF and in Profiles
... don't believe that set of datatypes have to be the same between RIF and in Profiles ←
18:42:32 <JeffP> q+
18:42:38 <schneid> ... because RIF has an extension clause, just as OWL has one
... because RIF has an extension clause, just as OWL has one ←
18:42:46 <schneid> ... for adding datatypes
... for adding datatypes ←
18:42:50 <sandro> q+ to complain about "just have to extend...", schedule telecon
Sandro Hawke: q+ to complain about "just have to extend...", schedule telecon ←
18:42:56 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:43:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:43:18 <JeffP> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/OWLRL
Jeff Pan: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/OWLRL ←
18:43:31 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:43:35 <IanH> ack ivan
Ian Horrocks: ack ivan ←
18:43:59 <schneid> ivan: there are datatypes in OWL RL (owl:real and owl:rational) which are in the problematic area
Ivan Herman: there are datatypes in OWL RL (owl:real and owl:rational) which are in the problematic area ←
18:44:03 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:44:12 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:44:13 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
18:44:31 <schneid> ... don't understand why certain datatypes are in OWL RL and others not
... don't understand why certain datatypes are in OWL RL and others not ←
18:44:46 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:44:53 <sandro> okay to 'datatypes in OWL RL'
Sandro Hawke: okay to 'datatypes in OWL RL' ←
18:45:00 <schneid> IanH: we should only talk about datatypes in OWL RL, not in complete OWL
Ian Horrocks: we should only talk about datatypes in OWL RL, not in complete OWL ←
18:45:26 <sandro> PROPOSED: Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call.
PROPOSED: Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call. ←
18:45:32 <IanH> ack JeffP
Ian Horrocks: ack JeffP ←
18:46:14 <schneid> JeffP: RIF WG has tried to represent OWL RL in RIF
Jeff Pan: RIF WG has tried to represent OWL RL in RIF ←
18:46:30 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:46:36 <schneid> IanH: did they have difficulties?
Ian Horrocks: did they have difficulties? ←
18:46:45 <IanH> ack bmotik
Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←
18:46:47 <schneid> JeffP: only problem seems to be datatype mismatch
Jeff Pan: only problem seems to be datatype mismatch ←
18:47:30 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:47:37 <schneid> bmotik: explains criterion for set of datatypes in RL
Boris Motik: explains criterion for set of datatypes in RL ←
18:48:14 <sandro> PROPOSED: Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call, saying the list of required datatypes for OWL-RL may be reduced based on feedback about what's available in rules engines.
PROPOSED: Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call, saying the list of required datatypes for OWL-RL may be reduced based on feedback about what's available in rules engines. ←
18:48:18 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:48:54 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:49:08 <schneid> bmotik: there is no implementor's issue
Boris Motik: there is no implementor's issue ←
18:49:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:50:08 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:50:13 <schneid> sandro: RIF WG want's to produce rule reasoners that are automatically RL reasoners
Sandro Hawke: RIF WG want's to produce rule reasoners that are automatically RL reasoners ←
18:50:29 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:50:38 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:50:44 <alanr> we are majorly involved with technical discussion here. Do we want to be?
Alan Ruttenberg: we are majorly involved with technical discussion here. Do we want to be? ←
18:50:58 <sandro> bmotik: all datatypes are opaque from the perspective of the OWL-RL ruleset
Boris Motik: all datatypes are opaque from the perspective of the OWL-RL ruleset [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:51:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:51:29 <ivan> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/OWLRL the current work of the RIF group on combining RIF and OWL RL
Ivan Herman: -> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/OWLRL the current work of the RIF group on combining RIF and OWL RL ←
18:52:00 <sandro> PROPOSED: Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call, saying the list of required datatypes for OWL-RL may be reduced based on feedback
PROPOSED: Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call, saying the list of required datatypes for OWL-RL may be reduced based on feedback ←
18:52:09 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:52:23 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:52:26 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
18:52:28 <bmotik> 0
Boris Motik: 0 ←
18:52:32 <JeffP> +1
18:52:33 <baojie> 0
18:52:35 <bcuencagrau> 0
18:52:43 <uli> +1
Uli Sattler: +1 ←
18:52:47 <MarkusK_> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
18:52:50 <ivan> +1
Ivan Herman: +1 ←
18:52:55 <Rinke> 0
Rinke Hoekstra: 0 ←
18:53:05 <schneid> schneid: 0
18:53:08 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
18:53:21 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
18:53:21 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
18:53:23 <pfps> +1
18:53:32 <sandro> RESOLVED: Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call, saying the list of required datatypes for OWL-RL may be reduced based on feedback
RESOLVED: Consider the list of datatypes for OWL-RL to be AT RISK for Last Call, saying the list of required datatypes for OWL-RL may be reduced based on feedback ←
18:54:02 <sandro> Boris to do this and add editorial note about RIF coordination.
Sandro Hawke: Boris to do this and add editorial note about RIF coordination. ←
18:54:20 <schneid> ivan: we need an action for building a TF
Ivan Herman: we need an action for building a TF ←
18:54:44 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:54:45 <schneid> IanH: it's not urgent to do so
Ian Horrocks: it's not urgent to do so ←
18:55:22 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:56:02 <schneid> IanH: last point, double check process for publication
Ian Horrocks: last point, double check process for publication ←
18:56:21 <schneid> IanH: everyone confirmed that the documents are finished tomorrow
Ian Horrocks: everyone confirmed that the documents are finished tomorrow ←
18:56:21 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:56:36 <ivan> clap clap clap
Ivan Herman: clap clap clap ←
18:56:37 <pfps> I just ran checklinks and validate on all 11 documents - all problems have been sent out
Peter Patel-Schneider: I just ran checklinks and validate on all 11 documents - all problems have been sent out ←
18:56:38 <schneid> IanH: so we can publish next week?
Ian Horrocks: so we can publish next week? ←
18:56:39 <JeffP> good
18:56:49 <sandro> thanks, peter!
Sandro Hawke: thanks, peter! ←
18:57:01 <pfps> pubrules is a different matter, however :-(
Peter Patel-Schneider: pubrules is a different matter, however :-( ←
18:57:05 <schneid> IanH: again, congrats to everyone for the hard work on the documents
Ian Horrocks: again, congrats to everyone for the hard work on the documents ←
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