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21:04:12 <Kirk> zakim, who's on the phone?
21:04:12 <Zakim> sorry, Kirk, I don't know what conference this is
21:04:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Jordan, Kirk, Valentina, pratul, MSM, trackbot-ng
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21:05:53 <Valentina> scribe: Valentina
21:06:08 <Valentina> Meeting: SML call 11/19
21:06:22 <Valentina> Topic: meeting minutes for 11/15
21:06:38 <Valentina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Nov/att-0217/SML_Weekly_Teleconference--_15_Nov_2007.htm
21:06:47 <Valentina> resolution: minutes approved
21:06:57 <Zakim> + +1.360.383.aaaa
21:07:30 <Valentina> pratul: minutes not ready for Nov 12
21:08:12 <Valentina> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4978
21:08:39 <Valentina> pratul: comments based on Valentina investigation is to remove this section
21:08:46 <Valentina> pratul: do we have agreement ?
21:08:54 <MSM> zakim, please call MSM-Office
21:08:54 <Zakim> ok, MSM; the call is being made
21:08:55 <Zakim> +MSM
21:09:13 <Valentina> Resolution: will be marked as editorial, take out this section from the spec
21:09:55 <Zakim> + +1.425.836.aabb
21:10:11 <MSM> zakim, who's here?
21:10:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kirk, [Microsoft], Valentina, Jordan, +1.360.383.aaaa, MSM, +1.425.836.aabb
21:10:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sandy, RRSAgent, Zakim, Jordan, Kirk, Valentina, pratul, MSM, trackbot-ng
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21:10:27 <Valentina> Topic: item 5 in the agenda
21:10:29 <Valentina> 5. Review and attempt to reach consensus on the following bugs using Sandy’s inter-document reference proposal
21:10:39 <Valentina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Nov/att-0204/sml-if-idr-V1.html
21:10:49 <Zakim> +johnarwe
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21:11:07 <Valentina> pratul: before we go forward, are there any comments with Sandy's proposal ?
21:11:35 <Valentina> pratul: no comments, so assume there are no issues with the proposal
21:11:56 <Valentina> pratul first bug on the list covered by the proposal is 4777
21:12:08 <Valentina> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4777
21:12:22 <Valentina> Kumar: makes sense based on the proposal
21:12:40 <Valentina> pratul: other comments for this bug ?
21:14:48 <Valentina> Resolution: mark this bug editorial and fix as per Sandy's proposal
21:15:31 <Valentina> next bug covered by Sandy's proposal is 5120
21:15:35 <Valentina> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5120
21:16:01 <Valentina> pratul: seems to be similar with 4777
21:16:50 <Valentina> Kumar: this is more about specific text in the spec, the other was about the principle
21:17:06 <Valentina> Resolution: mark this editorial, fix per Sandy's proposal
21:17:18 <Valentina> next bug covered by Sandy's proposal is 5171
21:17:25 <Valentina> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5171
21:20:20 <MSM> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5181
21:20:44 <Valentina> Resolution: close 5171 as a dup 5181
21:21:01 <Valentina> next bug covered by Sandy's proposal is 5201
21:21:24 <Valentina> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5201
21:21:55 <Valentina> Kumar: based on Sandy's proposal, I agree how this is addressed
21:23:40 <Valentina> Resolution:  mark this editorial, fix as per Sandy's proposal
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21:24:52 <Valentina> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4772
21:31:12 <Valentina> Kumar: will follow up with Valentina on this
21:31:35 <Valentina> Kumar: proposes looking into 4746
21:31:57 <Valentina> Topic: Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4746
21:33:50 <Valentina> Kumar: reviews the proposal presented in defect, under comment  #3
21:34:43 <MSM> q+
21:35:02 <Valentina> chair: John
21:35:08 <Valentina> chair: Pratul
21:36:19 <Valentina> MSM: groups who define signature do not expecte the document is not expected the document to be invariant with respect to the canonicalization
21:37:12 <MSM> q-
21:37:22 <Valentina> s/ groups who define signature do not expecte the document is not expected the document to be invariant with respect to the canonicalization .
21:37:31 <Valentina> MSM:The group defining the signature do not expect the document o be invariant with respect to the canonicalization
21:37:47 <Valentina> Pratul: proposes to remove this text
21:38:09 <Valentina> Resolution: mark this editorial, remove this text from the spec
21:38:54 <Valentina> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:38:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/19-sml-minutes.html Valentina
21:39:21 <Valentina> Kumar: proposes to discuss 4992
21:39:39 <Valentina> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4992
21:40:10 <Valentina> Kumar: Sandy's proposal makes sense to him, as commented in defect, under comment #9
21:40:41 <Valentina> Kumar: Sandy's proposal is under comment #5
21:41:28 <Valentina> Kumar: there are three classes to consider when looking at object identity
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21:43:55 <Valentina> Pratul: so the proposal is to define the objects as identic if they are if they are identified by the same URI
21:44:20 <Valentina> s/if they are if they are/if they are
21:45:32 <Valentina> Kumar: if the URI is not identical , it is implementation dependent if they are treated as equal or not
21:46:02 <Valentina> Resolution: mark as editorial, fix as per comment #5
21:46:23 <johnarwe> s/identic /identical /
21:47:28 <Valentina> Pratul: please take a look at the needsReview bugs
21:47:56 <Valentina> Kumar: bug 5272
21:48:14 <Valentina> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5272
21:48:56 <Valentina> Kumar: agree that we should clarify that only one document can be created under a data element
21:49:04 <Valentina> Pratul: propose to mark editorial
21:49:54 <Valentina> Resolution: mark editorial, a data element can have at most one document 
21:51:09 <Valentina> Kumar: proposes to mark bug 4776 after LC
21:52:31 <Valentina> Pratul: this was discussed in the f2f
21:53:21 <Valentina> Pratul: there is divergence in opinion on how this bug should be fixed; probably saying nothing about it should work better
21:54:03 <Valentina> Pratul: which is mark the bug an won't fix
21:54:04 <johnarwe> zakim, who's here?
21:54:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kirk, [Microsoft], Valentina, Jordan, +1.360.383.aaaa, MSM, +1.425.836.aabb, johnarwe
21:54:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sandy_, johnarwe, Kumar, RRSAgent, Zakim, Jordan, Kirk, Valentina, pratul, MSM, trackbot-ng
21:54:19 <Valentina> s/an won't fix/as won't fix
21:54:28 <johnarwe> zakim, aaaa is Marv
21:54:29 <Zakim> +Marv; got it
21:54:37 <pratul> zakim, Microsoft is me
21:54:37 <Zakim> +pratul; got it
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21:55:09 <Valentina> Resolution: mark 4778 as won't fix
21:55:31 <Valentina> s/Resolution: mark 4778 as won't fix/Resolution: mark 4776 as won't fix
21:56:02 <johnarwe> zakim, aabb is Kumar
21:56:02 <Zakim> +Kumar; got it
21:57:27 <Valentina> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:57:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/19-sml-minutes.html Valentina
21:58:03 <Valentina> rrsagent, make log public
21:58:14 <Valentina> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:58:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/19-sml-minutes.html Valentina
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22:01:12 <Zakim> -Valentina
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22:01:25 <Zakim> Attendees were Kirk, Valentina, Jordan, +1.360.383.aaaa, MSM, +1.425.836.aabb, johnarwe, Marv, pratul, Kumar
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