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21:03:06 <pratul> Zakim, Microsoft is me
21:03:06 <Zakim> +pratul; got it
21:03:32 <pratul> Zakim, Microsoft is Kumar
21:03:32 <Zakim> sorry, pratul, I do not recognize a party named 'Microsoft'
21:03:33 <Zakim> +Jordan
21:03:34 <johnarwe> zakim, ??p2 is me
21:03:35 <Zakim> +johnarwe; got it
21:03:55 <ginny> zakim, Ed_Rice is me
21:03:55 <Zakim> +ginny; got it
21:04:23 <Sandy> zakim, pratul has Kumar
21:04:23 <Zakim> +Kumar; got it
21:04:36 <ginny> zakim, who is here
21:04:36 <Zakim> ginny, you need to end that query with '?'
21:04:51 <ginny> zakim, who is here?
21:04:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see ginny, Kirk, johnarwe, pratul, Sandy, Valentina, Jordan
21:04:53 <Zakim> pratul has Kumar
21:04:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, johnarwe, Valentina, Kumar, pratul, Kirk, Zakim, ginny, Sandy, trackbot-ng
21:04:58 <Kirk> scribe: Kirk Wilson
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21:05:10 <Kirk> scribenick: Kirk
21:06:28 <Kirk> Pratul: Intel has withdrawn for the group
21:06:48 <Kirk> Topic: Approval of minutes
21:07:21 <Kirk> No comments on minutes 10/15.  Minutes for 10/15 approved.
21:07:40 <Kirk> No comments on minutes 11/1.  Minutes for 11/1 approved.
21:09:21 <Kirk> After discussion of status of minutes 11/8.  No comments on minutes for 11/8.  Minutes for 11/8 approved.
21:09:30 <Kirk> Topic: Action Items
21:10:58 <Kirk> John:  Will close 148.
21:11:46 <Kirk> Sandy: 120 is superseding by discussion last week.  Issue to be closed.
21:12:09 <Kirk> Sandy: 142 still working on it.
21:12:52 <Kirk> Sandy:  Will close 149
21:13:40 <Kirk> s/superseding/superseded
21:13:56 <johnarwe> ACTION: Pratul to follow up on action 97
21:13:56 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-150 - Follow up on action 97 [on Pratul Dublish - due 2007-11-19].
21:15:19 <Kirk> Pratul: Will close 138.
21:16:37 <Kirk> Valentina will have something done by end of week on 143 and 133
21:17:19 <Kirk> Ginny: Will close 128
21:17:44 <Kirk> Action: Pratul to follow-up with MSM regarding open action items.
21:17:44 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-151 - Follow-up with MSM regarding open action items. [on Pratul Dublish - due 2007-11-19].
21:18:18 <Kirk> Pratul: We will assign Bassam's action items to Kumar.  Kumar is updating the action items.
21:18:55 <Kirk> Topic:  Resolutions on 11/8 call.
21:19:57 <Kirk> Pratul: according item 5 on agenda, everyone should look at the issue. 
21:20:46 <Kirk> Kumar: we should make them as editorial now, and if anyone has issues, then raise the issues
21:21:23 <Kirk> Ginny: Question on 5040:  Not clear about what we do with table?
21:21:41 <Kirk> Kumar:  Table will go into the section on reference constraint.
21:22:26 <Kirk> Pratul: Will make issues as editorial according to the resolution recording in the bug.
21:23:16 <Kirk> John: question on 4811:  What is cope of the proposal?
21:23:38 <Kirk> Ginny:  Sandy's discussion is part of the resolution.
21:24:04 <Kirk> Pratul:  Resolution is in comment #7.
21:24:34 <Kirk> No objections to accepting comment #7 as the resolution.
21:25:02 <Kirk> Topic:  Item 6 on the agenda
21:25:56 <Kirk> Kumar:  Does not understand the example provided by Sandy for issue 5063.
21:27:09 <Kirk> Pratul:  We should have an email discussion of Sandy's example.
21:28:16 <Kirk> Sandy:  Everyone should review this and think about 5064 at the same time.
21:28:36 <Kirk> Pratul:  We will carry on discussion of 5063 in email.
21:29:33 <Kirk> Ginny: We cannot do anything with 5108 because it depends on 4639.  We can't do anything with this issue at this time.
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21:30:29 <Kirk> Pratul:  sandy recommends added <primaryalias> and eliminated [base URI].
21:31:08 <Kirk> ...This pertains to issue 5181
21:31:36 <Kirk> ...Kumar summarizes the issue.
21:31:42 <Zakim> +Jim
21:32:31 <Kirk> ....Sandy:  We should avoid required modifications to the document.
21:35:40 <Kirk> Sandy:  People expect to write relative URI dependent on context.
21:36:30 <Kirk> Pratul: We should URIs absolute when it comes to creating SML model with a document.
21:37:58 <Kirk> ...Doesn't see why we must pursue this discussion.
21:38:41 <Kirk> Sandy:  We have to tell consumers how to handle relative URIs when they are encountered.
21:41:08 <Kirk> Kumar: We split discussion between sml reference and schemaLocation.
21:44:39 <Kirk> Action:  Sandy to add both types examples to the bug 5181 for discussion.
21:44:39 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-152 - Add both types examples to the bug 5181 for discussion. [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-11-19].
21:45:18 <Kirk> Issue: 5248: >locator> is not resolved.
21:46:01 <Kirk> Pratul:  We should resolve in conformity to Kumar suggestion.
21:46:30 <Kirk> ...Behavior is undefined.
21:47:22 <Kirk> Sandy: We should try to observed different cases: network down vs. consumer doesn't resolve it.
21:48:01 <Kirk> Pratul:  It is up to implementation to define what to do.
21:48:19 <Kirk> Ginny:  We are not distinguishing use cases in 5040.
21:51:02 <Zakim> -Kirk
21:51:18 <Kirk> Sandy: Where resolution action fails.
21:51:37 <Kirk> I lost my phone connection.  Can sometake over.
21:53:03 <johnarwe> discussion on 5248
21:53:06 <Zakim> +Kirk
21:53:21 <Kirk> I'm back
21:53:45 <johnarwe> Sandy ok with undefined when resolution fails due to transient netw error
21:54:15 <johnarwe> Sandy would like spec to specify result when resolution process succeeds but there is no document
21:55:07 <johnarwe> ...does not care so much which behavior the spec prescribes
21:56:29 <Kirk> Pratul: What does Sandy expect?
21:59:01 <Kirk> Sandy:  We should treat this situation as if the document is not in the IF set.
21:59:09 <johnarwe> Pratul: so we could treat all the error cases the same.  If consumer does not process <locator>, if it does but there is a netw error, or it does and there is no doc , then treat those all as if the target document was not in the interchange set
22:00:10 <Kirk> Pratul:  shall we move forward with Sandy's comment #3 in 5248.
22:00:32 <johnarwe> Kumar notes that this decision differs from 5040, however, that is ok since <locator> is optional
22:00:38 <Sandy> s/comment #3/option (c)
22:01:39 <Kirk> Pratul: Will mark this as editorial.
22:01:49 <Kirk> Yes!
22:01:56 <Zakim> -pratul
22:01:58 <Zakim> -Valentina
22:01:59 <Zakim> -Sandy
22:01:59 <Zakim> -Jordan
22:02:02 <Zakim> -johnarwe
22:02:04 <Zakim> -Jim
22:02:07 <Zakim> -ginny
22:02:09 <Kirk> Adjourn at 5:02
22:02:24 <Kirk> rrsagent, generate minutes
22:02:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/12-sml-minutes.html Kirk
22:04:36 <Kirk> I'm having a problem downloading the file.  Will try again.
22:04:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/12-sml-minutes.html Sandy
22:07:08 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Kirk, in XML_SMLWG()4:00PM
22:07:10 <Zakim> XML_SMLWG()4:00PM has ended
22:07:11 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.603.823.aaaa, Sandy, Kirk, Valentina, Jordan, johnarwe, ginny, Kumar, Jim
22:07:55 <Kirk> I'm I still on?
22:08:45 <Kirk> OK--I'm still try to get ahold of the minutes but it still can be found.
22:09:24 <Jim> Jim has left #sml
22:12:31 <Kirk> Sometimes the problem gets solved by itself if you try later.
22:15:38 <Kirk> John, are still on?
22:16:24 <Kirk> I tried to access http://www.w3.org/2007 and it told me that I have insufficient privileges.
22:19:08 <Kirk> What's your home number?
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