IRC log of sml on 2007-11-12

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21:03:06 [pratul]
Zakim, Microsoft is me
21:03:06 [Zakim]
+pratul; got it
21:03:32 [pratul]
Zakim, Microsoft is Kumar
21:03:32 [Zakim]
sorry, pratul, I do not recognize a party named 'Microsoft'
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+Jordan
21:03:34 [johnarwe]
zakim, ??p2 is me
21:03:35 [Zakim]
+johnarwe; got it
21:03:55 [ginny]
zakim, Ed_Rice is me
21:03:55 [Zakim]
+ginny; got it
21:04:23 [Sandy]
zakim, pratul has Kumar
21:04:23 [Zakim]
+Kumar; got it
21:04:36 [ginny]
zakim, who is here
21:04:36 [Zakim]
ginny, you need to end that query with '?'
21:04:51 [ginny]
zakim, who is here?
21:04:51 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ginny, Kirk, johnarwe, pratul, Sandy, Valentina, Jordan
21:04:53 [Zakim]
pratul has Kumar
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, johnarwe, Valentina, Kumar, pratul, Kirk, Zakim, ginny, Sandy, trackbot-ng
21:04:58 [Kirk]
scribe: Kirk Wilson
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scribenick: Kirk
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Pratul: Intel has withdrawn for the group
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Topic: Approval of minutes
21:07:21 [Kirk]
No comments on minutes 10/15. Minutes for 10/15 approved.
21:07:40 [Kirk]
No comments on minutes 11/1. Minutes for 11/1 approved.
21:09:21 [Kirk]
After discussion of status of minutes 11/8. No comments on minutes for 11/8. Minutes for 11/8 approved.
21:09:30 [Kirk]
Topic: Action Items
21:10:58 [Kirk]
John: Will close 148.
21:11:46 [Kirk]
Sandy: 120 is superseding by discussion last week. Issue to be closed.
21:12:09 [Kirk]
Sandy: 142 still working on it.
21:12:52 [Kirk]
Sandy: Will close 149
21:13:40 [Kirk]
s/superseding/superseded
21:13:56 [johnarwe]
ACTION: Pratul to follow up on action 97
21:13:56 [trackbot-ng]
Created ACTION-150 - Follow up on action 97 [on Pratul Dublish - due 2007-11-19].
21:15:19 [Kirk]
Pratul: Will close 138.
21:16:37 [Kirk]
Valentina will have something done by end of week on 143 and 133
21:17:19 [Kirk]
Ginny: Will close 128
21:17:44 [Kirk]
Action: Pratul to follow-up with MSM regarding open action items.
21:17:44 [trackbot-ng]
Created ACTION-151 - Follow-up with MSM regarding open action items. [on Pratul Dublish - due 2007-11-19].
21:18:18 [Kirk]
Pratul: We will assign Bassam's action items to Kumar. Kumar is updating the action items.
21:18:55 [Kirk]
Topic: Resolutions on 11/8 call.
21:19:57 [Kirk]
Pratul: according item 5 on agenda, everyone should look at the issue.
21:20:46 [Kirk]
Kumar: we should make them as editorial now, and if anyone has issues, then raise the issues
21:21:23 [Kirk]
Ginny: Question on 5040: Not clear about what we do with table?
21:21:41 [Kirk]
Kumar: Table will go into the section on reference constraint.
21:22:26 [Kirk]
Pratul: Will make issues as editorial according to the resolution recording in the bug.
21:23:16 [Kirk]
John: question on 4811: What is cope of the proposal?
21:23:38 [Kirk]
Ginny: Sandy's discussion is part of the resolution.
21:24:04 [Kirk]
Pratul: Resolution is in comment #7.
21:24:34 [Kirk]
No objections to accepting comment #7 as the resolution.
21:25:02 [Kirk]
Topic: Item 6 on the agenda
21:25:56 [Kirk]
Kumar: Does not understand the example provided by Sandy for issue 5063.
21:27:09 [Kirk]
Pratul: We should have an email discussion of Sandy's example.
21:28:16 [Kirk]
Sandy: Everyone should review this and think about 5064 at the same time.
21:28:36 [Kirk]
Pratul: We will carry on discussion of 5063 in email.
21:29:33 [Kirk]
Ginny: We cannot do anything with 5108 because it depends on 4639. We can't do anything with this issue at this time.
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21:30:29 [Kirk]
Pratul: sandy recommends added <primaryalias> and eliminated [base URI].
21:31:08 [Kirk]
...This pertains to issue 5181
21:31:36 [Kirk]
...Kumar summarizes the issue.
21:31:42 [Zakim]
+Jim
21:32:31 [Kirk]
....Sandy: We should avoid required modifications to the document.
21:35:40 [Kirk]
Sandy: People expect to write relative URI dependent on context.
21:36:30 [Kirk]
Pratul: We should URIs absolute when it comes to creating SML model with a document.
21:37:58 [Kirk]
...Doesn't see why we must pursue this discussion.
21:38:41 [Kirk]
Sandy: We have to tell consumers how to handle relative URIs when they are encountered.
21:41:08 [Kirk]
Kumar: We split discussion between sml reference and schemaLocation.
21:44:39 [Kirk]
Action: Sandy to add both types examples to the bug 5181 for discussion.
21:44:39 [trackbot-ng]
Created ACTION-152 - Add both types examples to the bug 5181 for discussion. [on Sandy Gao - due 2007-11-19].
21:45:18 [Kirk]
Issue: 5248: >locator> is not resolved.
21:46:01 [Kirk]
Pratul: We should resolve in conformity to Kumar suggestion.
21:46:30 [Kirk]
...Behavior is undefined.
21:47:22 [Kirk]
Sandy: We should try to observed different cases: network down vs. consumer doesn't resolve it.
21:48:01 [Kirk]
Pratul: It is up to implementation to define what to do.
21:48:19 [Kirk]
Ginny: We are not distinguishing use cases in 5040.
21:51:02 [Zakim]
-Kirk
21:51:18 [Kirk]
Sandy: Where resolution action fails.
21:51:37 [Kirk]
I lost my phone connection. Can sometake over.
21:53:03 [johnarwe]
discussion on 5248
21:53:06 [Zakim]
+Kirk
21:53:21 [Kirk]
I'm back
21:53:45 [johnarwe]
Sandy ok with undefined when resolution fails due to transient netw error
21:54:15 [johnarwe]
Sandy would like spec to specify result when resolution process succeeds but there is no document
21:55:07 [johnarwe]
...does not care so much which behavior the spec prescribes
21:56:29 [Kirk]
Pratul: What does Sandy expect?
21:59:01 [Kirk]
Sandy: We should treat this situation as if the document is not in the IF set.
21:59:09 [johnarwe]
Pratul: so we could treat all the error cases the same. If consumer does not process <locator>, if it does but there is a netw error, or it does and there is no doc , then treat those all as if the target document was not in the interchange set
22:00:10 [Kirk]
Pratul: shall we move forward with Sandy's comment #3 in 5248.
22:00:32 [johnarwe]
Kumar notes that this decision differs from 5040, however, that is ok since <locator> is optional
22:00:38 [Sandy]
s/comment #3/option (c)
22:01:39 [Kirk]
Pratul: Will mark this as editorial.
22:01:49 [Kirk]
Yes!
22:01:56 [Zakim]
-pratul
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-Valentina
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-Sandy
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-Jordan
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-johnarwe
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-Jim
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-ginny
22:02:09 [Kirk]
Adjourn at 5:02
22:02:24 [Kirk]
rrsagent, generate minutes
22:02:24 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/12-sml-minutes.html Kirk
22:04:36 [Kirk]
I'm having a problem downloading the file. Will try again.
22:04:58 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/12-sml-minutes.html Sandy
22:07:08 [Zakim]
disconnecting the lone participant, Kirk, in XML_SMLWG()4:00PM
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XML_SMLWG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were +1.603.823.aaaa, Sandy, Kirk, Valentina, Jordan, johnarwe, ginny, Kumar, Jim
22:07:55 [Kirk]
I'm I still on?
22:08:45 [Kirk]
OK--I'm still try to get ahold of the minutes but it still can be found.
22:09:24 [Jim]
Jim has left #sml
22:12:31 [Kirk]
Sometimes the problem gets solved by itself if you try later.
22:15:38 [Kirk]
John, are still on?
22:16:24 [Kirk]
I tried to access http://www.w3.org/2007 and it told me that I have insufficient privileges.
22:19:08 [Kirk]
What's your home number?
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