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<rreck> voila
<HarryH> Any want to scribe?
<HarryH> Chime scribing in replacement of danja
<HarryH> Scribe: Chime
<dbooth> ScribeNick: chimezie
<HarryH> PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG -- 19th Sept 2007 as a true record
<HarryH> RESOLVED: approved GRDDL WG -- 19th Sept 2007 as a true record
HarryH: when do we have our next meeting
<rreck> monthly meetings seem ok
scribe: any preferences?
<HarryH> NEXT MEETING: Tentative Nov 14th, will confirm via e-mail.
<FabienG> this is ISWC week
<FabienG> regrets for me.
HarryH: SWEO wants a real world use of GRDDL
<HarryH> Anyone using GRDDL at work?
<dbooth> Chime: HL7 use case?
<HarryH> Danja - is Talis using GRDDL at all in any real-world use cases?
-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/ClevelandClinic/ "Case Study: A Semantic Web Content Repository for Clinical Research"
mentions GRDDL
<HarryH> You consider this a case-study.
<dbooth> danja: Talis not using GRDDL yet, but it's in progress.
<HarryH> I'll send this over to SWEO okay.
danja: nothing that hasn't reached the list
HarryH: how about AtomOWL?
danja: can't recall Kanzai's interest
HarryH: tell him the GRDDL WG is looking for a transform for Atom
danja: I already mentioned this to him, but the reaction was a description of what he has aleady
danja: RSS 1.0 the thing identified is the item, in Atom it is the entry, so you have an indirection
scribe: combination of updated date, URI, and the content
<danja> (Talis is committed to GRDDL support, and it'll definitely be appearing in demos on my to-do list)
HarryH: Should we invite them?
danja: wouldn't hurt
scribe: we could at least send a mail out and nudge him
<HarryH> ACTION: Danja to e-mail Kanzaki and Henry Story about current situation and invite to GRDDL telecon. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]
<danja> (thanks for scribing chimezie)
HarryH: simone had an idea...
FabienG: a GRDDL transform cannot serialize depending on the input content
scribe: how do we accomodate scenarios where the produced serialization is customized
dbooth: what if what is produced is XML which uses a specific GRDDL transform to produce RDF/XML
<danja> ah, right - RSS 1.0, DOAP too I think has additional syntax constraints
FabienG: the input is XHTML with RDFa
<Simone> Simone: See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0209.html for full discussion, more long
scribe: the profile is GRDDL
profile for RDFa. We produce RDF/XML for the RDFa in the
page
... cascade a subsequent transform to get the proper
serialization
dbooth: why can't the first transform produce the customized serialization?
FabienG: it is a generic RDFa transform
scribe: it is domain independent and doesn't know that the page is using RDFa to embed RSS
<danja> (the problem occurs with any model serialization...does GRDDL actually introduce anything new here? )
dbooth: a wrapper is needed: generic RDF/XML -> specific serialization syntax
i don't think so
dbooth: would the GRDDL transform point to the wrapper
FabienG: no it is not aware of its role
<danja> (would the wrapper be XSLT? ew...)
HarryH: post-processing is done client-side
HarryH: perhaps a RDDL nature/purpose for GRDDL post-processing
<HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to point out GRDDL and RDDL overlap on this post-processing solution. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
Simone: use a dedicated transformation
FabienG: XProc can orchestrate the cascaded transformation
sorry, Simone :(
<HarryH> hReview microformats have a stable review vocabulary...
HarryH: SWEO wondered about hReview microformats with a stable review vocabulary
<danja> ok, Zakim, unmute me
<HarryH> dnja?
scribe: danja said he was pretty close
danja: I can take an action and get around to it
<HarryH> ACTION: Danja to stabilize and publish hReview RDF mapping as SWIG note and get a proposed profile URI out for it. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
<HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to e-mail Danja Docbook vocabulary mixing. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
<DanC> (the docbook stuff bugs me a little; I wish norm would start with XHTML. but oh well.)
<HarryH> ACTION: To finish vCard mapping and publish as SWIG note, update profile URI with slightly tweaked GRDDL transform. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
HarryH: WSDL XML->RDF?
FabienG: SAWSDL -> RDF mapping
scribe: working on a new version
<HarryH> RDF Mapping: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-rdf-20051104/
scribe: releasing it within 1-2 weeks
<rreck> i think that might have been me making noise, im on mute but someone is running a drill here
HarryH: what about XBRL?
<HarryH> XBRL?
DanC: SEC interactive data project
<HarryH> Kingsley is working on this he said..
DanC: danbri was interested in music brainz
<HarryH> MusicBrainz XSLT?
<Zakim> dbooth, you wanted to mention WSDL 2.0 mapping to RDF
dbooth: what is the target ontology?
<HarryH> RDF Mapping: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-rdf-20051104/?
<HarryH> Jacek and Bijan's?
<HarryH> OK.
<Simone> Simone: I hope musicbrainz for extracting data, Music Ontology or some...
<dbooth> yes, Jacek and Bijan's
HarryH: danbri mentioned he or the musicbrainz folks could be invited to our WG telecon
<Simone> Simone: I can mail he
danja: status of musicbrainz -> music ontology?
<Simone> Simone: I don't know status
<Simone> Simone: we can ask to musicbrainz folks direclty
<HarryH> ACTION: Simone and Danja both e-mail DanBri about encouraging MusicBrainz to go to straight RDf and then use GRDDL if a backup. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
<HarryH> Any ideas on passing this GRDDL outreach to SWIG?
<danja> there is a danger of it falling between stools
<HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to e-mail SWEO about our preference for them taking on outreach for GRDDL if our charter is renewed. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
HarryH: shouldn't we ping them to hook up the OWL validator as well
<HarryH> ACTION: DanC to e-mail about HTML (OlivierT) and RDF and OWL Validator (EricP) linking to GRDDL. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]
HarryH: POWDER and RDFa depend on profile in the head and would be unhappy if it is deleted
DanC: I can imagine Hixie remains unpersuaded even in the face of objection
<danja> I suspect the accessibility folks may carry a lot of weight on this
dbooth: httpRange-14 conversation - there is a question of meaning of frag identifier of HTML mediatype
scribe: one idea is to have the media-type be updated so the frag identifier can identify something other than a portion of the document and this would depend on the @profile being in there
DanC: an 'opt out' signal
<DanC> (this is tag issue fragmentsInXML-28, for reference [IIRC])
<HarryH> XProc and default XML processing model...
HarryH: speaking on TAG XProc WG is not answering question on default processing model
they did not respond to my comment
<HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/sw-logos.html
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-comments/2007Jun/0046.html "Using the XInclude component with a default processing model for GRDDL"
<HarryH> NEXT MEETING: Nov 21st.
<HarryH> Next Scribe: Danja
list participants
<HarryH> Meeting Adjourned
<HarryH> RSSAgent, draft minutes
<Simone> of course, I'll send a mail to explain the question of RDfa ;)
<rreck> bye
<Simone> bye to all :)
DanC i do
actually!
<DanC> oh. umm...
should i call back in, or...?"
okay
<john-l> I'm pretty sure aaaa was me, and I registered it.
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