GRDDL -- 17 Oct 2007

<rreck> voila

<HarryH> Any want to scribe?

<HarryH> Chime scribing in replacement of danja

Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-10-17T11:00-0400

<HarryH> Scribe: Chime

<dbooth> ScribeNick: chimezie

<HarryH> PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG -- 19th Sept 2007 as a true record

<HarryH> RESOLVED: approved GRDDL WG -- 19th Sept 2007 as a true record

HarryH: when do we have our next meeting

<rreck> monthly meetings seem ok

scribe: any preferences?

<HarryH> NEXT MEETING: Tentative Nov 14th, will confirm via e-mail.

SWEO and real-world outreach

<FabienG> this is ISWC week

<FabienG> regrets for me.

HarryH: SWEO wants a real world use of GRDDL

<HarryH> Anyone using GRDDL at work?

<dbooth> Chime: HL7 use case?

<HarryH> Danja - is Talis using GRDDL at all in any real-world use cases?

-> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/ClevelandClinic/ "Case Study: A Semantic Web Content Repository for Clinical Research"

mentions GRDDL

<HarryH> You consider this a case-study.

<dbooth> danja: Talis not using GRDDL yet, but it's in progress.

<HarryH> I'll send this over to SWEO okay.

Atom (GRDDL Outreach)

danja: nothing that hasn't reached the list

HarryH: how about AtomOWL?

danja: can't recall Kanzai's interest

HarryH: tell him the GRDDL WG is looking for a transform for Atom

danja: I already mentioned this to him, but the reaction was a description of what he has aleady

danja: RSS 1.0 the thing identified is the item, in Atom it is the entry, so you have an indirection

scribe: combination of updated date, URI, and the content

<danja> (Talis is committed to GRDDL support, and it'll definitely be appearing in demos on my to-do list)

HarryH: Should we invite them?

danja: wouldn't hurt

scribe: we could at least send a mail out and nudge him

<HarryH> ACTION: Danja to e-mail Kanzaki and Henry Story about current situation and invite to GRDDL telecon. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]

<danja> (thanks for scribing chimezie)

HarryH: simone had an idea...

FabienG: a GRDDL transform cannot serialize depending on the input content

scribe: how do we accomodate scenarios where the produced serialization is customized

dbooth: what if what is produced is XML which uses a specific GRDDL transform to produce RDF/XML

<danja> ah, right - RSS 1.0, DOAP too I think has additional syntax constraints

FabienG: the input is XHTML with RDFa

<Simone> Simone: See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0209.html for full discussion, more long

scribe: the profile is GRDDL profile for RDFa. We produce RDF/XML for the RDFa in the page
... cascade a subsequent transform to get the proper serialization

dbooth: why can't the first transform produce the customized serialization?

FabienG: it is a generic RDFa transform

scribe: it is domain independent and doesn't know that the page is using RDFa to embed RSS

<danja> (the problem occurs with any model serialization...does GRDDL actually introduce anything new here? )

dbooth: a wrapper is needed: generic RDF/XML -> specific serialization syntax

i don't think so

dbooth: would the GRDDL transform point to the wrapper

FabienG: no it is not aware of its role

<danja> (would the wrapper be XSLT? ew...)

HarryH: post-processing is done client-side

HarryH: perhaps a RDDL nature/purpose for GRDDL post-processing

<HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to point out GRDDL and RDDL overlap on this post-processing solution. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]

Simone: use a dedicated transformation

FabienG: XProc can orchestrate the cascaded transformation

sorry, Simone :(

Other GRDDL outreach opportunities

<HarryH> hReview microformats have a stable review vocabulary...

HarryH: SWEO wondered about hReview microformats with a stable review vocabulary

<danja> ok, Zakim, unmute me

<HarryH> dnja?

scribe: danja said he was pretty close

danja: I can take an action and get around to it

<HarryH> ACTION: Danja to stabilize and publish hReview RDF mapping as SWIG note and get a proposed profile URI out for it. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]

<HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to e-mail Danja Docbook vocabulary mixing. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]

<DanC> (the docbook stuff bugs me a little; I wish norm would start with XHTML. but oh well.)

<HarryH> ACTION: To finish vCard mapping and publish as SWIG note, update profile URI with slightly tweaked GRDDL transform. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]

HarryH: WSDL XML->RDF?

FabienG: SAWSDL -> RDF mapping

scribe: working on a new version

<HarryH> RDF Mapping: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-rdf-20051104/

scribe: releasing it within 1-2 weeks

<rreck> i think that might have been me making noise, im on mute but someone is running a drill here

HarryH: what about XBRL?

<HarryH> XBRL?

DanC: SEC interactive data project

<HarryH> Kingsley is working on this he said..

DanC: danbri was interested in music brainz

<HarryH> MusicBrainz XSLT?

<Zakim> dbooth, you wanted to mention WSDL 2.0 mapping to RDF

dbooth: what is the target ontology?

<HarryH> RDF Mapping: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-rdf-20051104/?

<HarryH> Jacek and Bijan's?

<HarryH> OK.

<Simone> Simone: I hope musicbrainz for extracting data, Music Ontology or some...

<dbooth> yes, Jacek and Bijan's

HarryH: danbri mentioned he or the musicbrainz folks could be invited to our WG telecon

<Simone> Simone: I can mail he

danja: status of musicbrainz -> music ontology?

<Simone> Simone: I don't know status

<Simone> Simone: we can ask to musicbrainz folks direclty

<HarryH> ACTION: Simone and Danja both e-mail DanBri about encouraging MusicBrainz to go to straight RDf and then use GRDDL if a backup. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]

<HarryH> Any ideas on passing this GRDDL outreach to SWIG?

<danja> there is a danger of it falling between stools

<HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to e-mail SWEO about our preference for them taking on outreach for GRDDL if our charter is renewed. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]

W3C GRDDL Service

HarryH: shouldn't we ping them to hook up the OWL validator as well

<HarryH> ACTION: DanC to e-mail about HTML (OlivierT) and RDF and OWL Validator (EricP) linking to GRDDL. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]

GRDDL Wrap-Up

HarryH: POWDER and RDFa depend on profile in the head and would be unhappy if it is deleted

DanC: I can imagine Hixie remains unpersuaded even in the face of objection

<danja> I suspect the accessibility folks may carry a lot of weight on this

dbooth: httpRange-14 conversation - there is a question of meaning of frag identifier of HTML mediatype

scribe: one idea is to have the media-type be updated so the frag identifier can identify something other than a portion of the document and this would depend on the @profile being in there

DanC: an 'opt out' signal

<DanC> (this is tag issue fragmentsInXML-28, for reference [IIRC])

<HarryH> XProc and default XML processing model...

HarryH: speaking on TAG XProc WG is not answering question on default processing model

they did not respond to my comment

<HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/sw-logos.html

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-comments/2007Jun/0046.html "Using the XInclude component with a default processing model for GRDDL"

Next Meeting

<HarryH> NEXT MEETING: Nov 21st.

<HarryH> Next Scribe: Danja

list participants

<HarryH> Meeting Adjourned

<HarryH> RSSAgent, draft minutes

<Simone> of course, I'll send a mail to explain the question of RDfa ;)

<rreck> bye

<Simone> bye to all :)

DanC i do

actually!

<DanC> oh. umm...

should i call back in, or...?"

okay

<john-l> I'm pretty sure aaaa was me, and I registered it.

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