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15:01:36 <rreck> voila
15:01:56 <john-l> Zakim, who's here?
15:01:56 <Zakim> sorry, john-l, I don't know what conference this is
15:01:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, rreck, chimezie, john-l, Simone, HarryH
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15:02:14 <rreck> zakim, who's on the call?
15:02:14 <Zakim> sorry, rreck, I don't know what conference this is
15:02:18 <john-l> Zakim, this is GRDDL
15:02:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see FabienG, RRSAgent, Zakim, rreck, chimezie, john-l, Simone, HarryH
15:02:21 <Zakim> ok, john-l; that matches SW_GRDDL()11:00AM
15:02:25 <rreck> zakim, who's on the call?
15:02:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.216.445.aaaa, ??P14
15:02:34 <john-l> Zakim, I am aaaa
15:02:38 <rreck> zakim, i am ??P14
15:02:39 <HarryH> Zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda.rdf
15:02:43 <Zakim> +john-l; got it
15:02:47 <Zakim> +rreck; got it
15:02:49 <Zakim> working on it, HarryH
15:02:51 <Zakim> agenda+ Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-10-17T11:00-0400
15:02:55 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
15:02:57 <Zakim> agenda+ SWEO and real-world outreach
15:02:59 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
15:03:01 <Zakim> agenda+ Atom (GRDDL Outreach)
15:03:03 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
15:03:05 <Zakim> agenda+ Other GRDDL outreach opportunities
15:03:09 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
15:03:12 <Zakim> agenda+ W3C GRDDL Service
15:03:13 <Zakim> agendum 5 added
15:03:15 <Zakim> agenda+ GRDDL Wrap-Up
15:03:17 <Zakim> agendum 6 added
15:03:21 <Zakim> done reading agenda, HarryH
15:03:35 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:03:51 <Zakim> + +049238aabb
15:04:09 <FabienG> Zakim, I am aabb
15:04:17 <Zakim> +FabienG; got it
15:04:26 <Zakim> +??P1
15:04:42 <HarryH> Zakim, HarryH is ??P1
15:04:42 <Zakim> sorry, HarryH, I do not recognize a party named 'HarryH'
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15:04:54 <HarryH> Zakim, I am ??P1
15:04:54 <Zakim> +HarryH; got it
15:04:55 <dbooth> zakim, code?
15:04:56 <Zakim> the conference code is 47335 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dbooth
15:05:16 <HarryH> Any want to scribe?
15:05:34 <HarryH> Chime scribing in replacement of danja
15:05:44 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:05:44 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-10-17T11:00-0400" taken up
15:05:46 <Zakim> +DBooth
15:05:59 <dbooth> Meeting: GRDDL
15:06:04 <dbooth> Chair: Harry
15:06:13 <HarryH> Scribe: Chime
15:06:30 <dbooth> ScribeNick: chimezie
15:06:37 <HarryH> regrets: murray,jjc,DanC
15:06:43 <HarryH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:06:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see john-l, rreck, Chimezie_Ogbuji, FabienG, HarryH, DBooth
15:06:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:06:58 <HarryH> PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG -- 19th Sept 2007 as a true record
15:07:03 <Simone> Zakim, IPcaller is me
15:07:03 <Zakim> +Simone; got it
15:07:19 <HarryH> RESOLVED: approved GRDDL WG -- 19th Sept 2007 as a true record
15:07:35 <chimezie> HarryH: when do we have our next meeting
15:07:41 <rreck> monthly meetings seem ok
15:07:51 <chimezie> ... any preferences?
15:08:24 <HarryH> NEXT MEETING: Tentative Nov 14th, will confirm via e-mail.
15:08:32 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:08:32 <Zakim> agendum 2. "SWEO and real-world outreach" taken up
15:08:37 <FabienG> this is ISWC week
15:08:54 <FabienG> regrets for me.
15:09:03 <chimezie> HarryH: SWEO wants a real world use of GRDDL
15:09:08 <danja> danja has joined #grddl-wg
15:09:13 <HarryH> Anyone using GRDDL at work?
15:09:57 <dbooth> Chime: HL7 use case?
15:10:33 <Zakim> +??P8
15:10:41 <HarryH> Danja - is Talis using GRDDL at all in any real-world use cases? 
15:10:44 <danja> Zakim, ??P8 is danja
15:10:44 <Zakim> +danja; got it
15:10:46 <chimezie> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/sweo/public/UseCases/ClevelandClinic/ "Case Study: A Semantic Web Content Repository for Clinical Research"
15:10:52 <chimezie> mentions GRDDL
15:11:25 <HarryH> You consider this a case-study. 
15:11:33 <dbooth> danja: Talis not using GRDDL yet, but it's in progress.
15:11:48 <HarryH> I'll send this over to SWEO okay.
15:11:55 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:11:55 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Atom (GRDDL Outreach)" taken up
15:12:13 <chimezie> danja: nothing that hasn't reached the list
15:12:49 <chimezie> HarryH: how about AtomOWL?
15:13:04 <chimezie> danja: can't recall Kanzai's interest 
15:13:15 <chimezie> HarryH: tell him the GRDDL WG is looking for a transform for Atom
15:13:34 <chimezie> danja: I already mentioned this to him, but the reaction was a description of what he has aleady
15:15:20 <chimezie> danja: RSS 1.0 the thing identified is the item, in Atom it is the entry, so you have an indirection
15:15:33 <chimezie> ... combination of updated date, URI, and the content
15:16:26 <danja> (Talis is committed to GRDDL support, and it'll definitely be appearing in demos on my to-do list)
15:17:04 <chimezie> HarryH: Should we invite them?
15:17:11 <chimezie> danja: wouldn't hurt
15:18:04 <chimezie> ... we could at least send a mail out and nudge him
15:18:42 <HarryH> ACTION: Danja to e-mail Kanzaki and Henry Story about current situation and invite to GRDDL telecon.
15:18:51 <danja> (thanks for scribing chimezie)
15:19:21 <chimezie> HarryH: simone had an idea...
15:19:31 <dbooth> zakim, who is on the call?
15:19:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see john-l, rreck, Chimezie_Ogbuji, FabienG, HarryH, DBooth, Simone, danja
15:20:13 <chimezie> FabienG: a GRDDL transform cannot serialize depending on the input content
15:20:32 <chimezie> ... how do we accomodate scenarios where the produced serialization is customized
15:20:53 <chimezie> dbooth: what if what is produced is XML which uses a specific GRDDL transform to produce RDF/XML
15:21:41 <danja> ah, right - RSS 1.0, DOAP too I think has additional syntax constraints
15:21:42 <chimezie> FabienG: the input is XHTML with RDFa
15:21:42 <Simone> Simone: See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0209.html for full discussion, more long
15:22:07 <chimezie> ... the profile is GRDDL profile for RDFa.  We produce RDF/XML for the RDFa in the page
15:22:32 <chimezie> ... cascade a subsequent transform to get the proper serialization 
15:23:05 <chimezie> dbooth: why can't the first transform produce the customized serialization?
15:23:13 <chimezie> FabienG: it is a generic RDFa transform
15:23:30 <chimezie> ... it is domain independent and doesn't know that the page is using RDFa to embed RSS
15:23:56 <danja> (the problem occurs with any model serialization...does GRDDL actually introduce anything new here? )
15:23:57 <chimezie> dbooth: a wrapper is needed: generic RDF/XML -> specific serialization syntax
15:24:06 <chimezie> i don't think so
15:24:29 <chimezie> dbooth: would the GRDDL transform point to the wrapper
15:24:39 <chimezie> FabienG: no it is not aware of its role
15:24:58 <danja> (would the wrapper be XSLT? ew...)
15:25:36 <danja> Zakim, mute me
15:25:36 <Zakim> danja should now be muted
15:25:37 <chimezie> HarryH: post-processing is done client-side
15:26:41 <chimezie> HarryH: perhaps a RDDL nature/purpose for GRDDL post-processing
15:27:11 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to point out GRDDL and RDDL overlap on this post-processing solution.
15:28:15 <chimezie> Simone: use a dedicated transformation
15:29:33 <chimezie> FabienG: XProc can orchestrate the cascaded transformation
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15:30:35 <chimezie> sorry, Simone :(
15:30:44 <Zakim> +DanC
15:30:47 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:30:47 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Other GRDDL outreach opportunities" taken up
15:31:23 <HarryH> hReview microformats have a stable review vocabulary...
15:31:25 <chimezie> HarryH: SWEO wondered about hReview microformats with a stable review vocabulary
15:31:36 <danja> ok, Zakim, unmute me
15:31:37 <HarryH> dnja?
15:31:40 <chimezie> ... danja said he was pretty close
15:31:45 <danja> Zakim, unmute me
15:31:45 <Zakim> danja should no longer be muted
15:32:06 <chimezie> danja: I can take an action and get around to it
15:32:15 <dbooth> rrsagent, make logs public
15:32:19 <HarryH> ACTION: Danja to stabilize and publish hReview RDF mapping as SWIG note and get a proposed profile URI out for it.
15:32:48 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to e-mail Danja Docbook vocabulary mixing.
15:33:13 <DanC> (the docbook stuff bugs me a little; I wish norm would start with XHTML. but oh well.)
15:33:31 <HarryH> ACTION: To finish vCard mapping and publish as SWIG note, update profile URI with slightly tweaked GRDDL transform.
15:33:58 <chimezie> HarryH: WSDL XML->RDF?
15:34:17 <chimezie> FabienG: SAWSDL -> RDF mapping
15:34:21 <chimezie> ... working on a new version
15:34:31 <HarryH> RDF Mapping: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-rdf-20051104/
15:34:32 <chimezie> ... releasing it within 1-2 weeks
15:35:01 <HarryH> Zakim, who's noise?
15:35:01 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, HarryH.
15:35:23 <rreck> i think that might have been me making noise, im on mute but someone is running a drill here
15:35:29 <dbooth> zakim, who is making noise?
15:35:41 <Zakim> dbooth, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Simone (27%), HarryH (36%), DanC (8%), FabienG (49%)
15:35:53 <Simone> Zakim, mute me
15:35:53 <Zakim> Simone should now be muted
15:36:16 <chimezie> HarryH: what about XBRL?
15:36:16 <HarryH> XBRL?
15:36:26 <chimezie> DanC: SEC interactive data project
15:36:31 <HarryH> Kingsley is working on this he said..
15:37:46 <chimezie> DanC: danbri was interested in music brainz
15:37:48 <HarryH> MusicBrainz XSLT?
15:37:50 <dbooth> q+ about WSDL 2.0 mapping to RDF
15:38:08 <dbooth> q+ to mention WSDL 2.0 mapping to RDF
15:38:16 <HarryH> ack dbooth
15:38:16 <Zakim> dbooth, you wanted to mention WSDL 2.0 mapping to RDF
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15:38:46 <chimezie> dbooth: what is the target ontology?
15:39:01 <HarryH> RDF Mapping: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-wsdl20-rdf-20051104/?
15:39:08 <HarryH> Jacek and Bijan's?
15:39:09 <HarryH> OK.
15:39:12 <Simone> Simone: I hope musicbrainz for extracting data, Music Ontology or some...
15:39:35 <dbooth> yes, Jacek and Bijan's
15:40:38 <chimezie> HarryH: danbri mentioned he or the musicbrainz folks could be invited to our WG telecon
15:41:39 <Simone> Simone: I can mail he
15:42:09 <chimezie> danja: status of musicbrainz -> music ontology?
15:42:23 <Simone> Simone: I don't know status
15:42:36 <Simone> Simone: we can ask to musicbrainz folks direclty
15:42:56 <dbooth> zakim, who is on the call?
15:42:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see john-l, rreck, Chimezie_Ogbuji, FabienG, HarryH, DBooth, Simone (muted), danja, DanC
15:43:05 <dbooth> zakim, unmute simone
15:43:05 <Zakim> Simone should no longer be muted
15:43:10 <HarryH> ACTION: Simone and Danja both e-mail DanBri about encouraging MusicBrainz to go to straight RDf and then use GRDDL if a backup.
15:43:43 <HarryH> Any ideas on passing this GRDDL outreach to SWIG?
15:44:22 <danja> there is a danger of it falling between stools
15:44:52 <dbooth> zakim, mute simone
15:44:52 <Zakim> Simone should now be muted
15:45:05 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to e-mail SWEO about our preference for them taking on outreach for GRDDL if our charter is renewed.
15:45:11 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:45:11 <Zakim> agendum 5. "W3C GRDDL Service" taken up
15:45:48 <chimezie> HarryH: shouldn't we ping them to hook up the OWL validator as well
15:47:20 <HarryH> ACTION: DanC to e-mail about HTML (OlivierT) and RDF and OWL Validator (EricP)  linking to GRDDL.
15:47:30 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:47:30 <Zakim> agendum 6. "GRDDL Wrap-Up" taken up
15:48:03 <chimezie> HarryH: POWDER and RDFa depend on profile in the head and would be unhappy if it is deleted
15:48:38 <chimezie> DanC: I can imagine Hixie remains unpersuaded even in the face of objection 
15:49:28 <danja> I suspect the accessibility folks may carry a lot of weight on this
15:49:46 <chimezie> dbooth: httpRange-14 conversation - there is a question of meaning of frag identifier of HTML mediatype
15:50:21 <chimezie> ... one idea is to have the media-type be updated so the frag identifier can identify something other than a portion of the document and this would depend on the @profile being in there
15:50:27 <chimezie> DanC: an 'opt out' signal
15:51:04 <DanC> (this is tag issue fragmentsInXML-28, for reference [IIRC])
15:51:29 <HarryH> XProc and default XML processing model...
15:51:44 <chimezie> HarryH: speaking on TAG XProc WG is not answering question on default processing model
15:51:51 <chimezie> they did not respond to my comment
15:52:17 <HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2007/10/sw-logos.html
15:52:45 <chimezie> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-comments/2007Jun/0046.html "Using the XInclude component with a default processing model for GRDDL"
15:53:42 <HarryH> NEXT MEETING: Nov 21st. 
15:54:02 <HarryH> Scribe: Danja
15:54:15 <dbooth> s/Scribe:/Next Scribe:/
15:54:23 <chimezie> list participants
15:54:24 <HarryH> Meeting Adjourned
15:54:32 <chimezie> Zakim, list participants
15:54:32 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.216.445.aaaa, john-l, rreck, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +049238aabb, FabienG, HarryH, DBooth, Simone, danja, DanC
15:55:00 <Zakim> -john-l
15:55:05 <Zakim> -FabienG
15:55:07 <HarryH> RSSAgent, draft minutes
15:55:08 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:55:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html dbooth
15:55:11 <Simone> of course, I'll send a mail to explain the question of RDfa ;)
15:55:48 <rreck> bye
15:55:50 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:55:52 <Zakim> -danja
15:55:54 <Zakim> -rreck
15:55:55 <FabienG> FabienG has left #grddl-wg
15:55:56 <Zakim> -DBooth
15:55:57 <Simone> bye to all :)
15:56:00 <chimezie> DanC i do
15:56:06 <chimezie> actually!
15:56:11 <Zakim> -HarryH
15:56:12 <DanC> oh. umm...
15:56:15 <Zakim> -Simone
15:56:28 <chimezie> should i call back in, or...?"
15:56:34 <chimezie> okay
15:56:43 <Zakim> -DanC
15:56:44 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended
15:56:45 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.216.445.aaaa, john-l, rreck, Chimezie_Ogbuji, +049238aabb, FabienG, HarryH, DBooth, Simone, danja, DanC
15:57:17 <dbooth> i/NEXT MEETING/Topic: Next Meeting/
15:59:24 <john-l> I'm pretty sure aaaa was me, and I registered it.
16:00:07 <dbooth> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:00:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-grddl-wg-minutes.html dbooth
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