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14:31:02 <LeeF> zakim, this will be dawg
14:31:02 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM scheduled to start now
14:31:51 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()10:30AM has now started
14:31:58 <Zakim> +LeeF
14:32:01 <LeeF> Meeting: RDF Data Access Weekly
14:32:03 <ericP> adding ":x1 :z :p .
14:32:03 <LeeF> Scribe: LeeF
14:32:11 <ericP> " made it more sensitive
14:32:11 <LeeF> Regrets: AndyS, Chimezie, Souri
14:32:19 <LeeF> Chair: LeeF
14:32:24 <Zakim> +Orri_Erling
14:32:28 <LeeF> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0077.html
14:32:46 <LeeF> LeeF has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0077.html
14:32:56 <chimezie> chimezie has joined #dawg
14:32:59 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
14:32:59 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:33:00 <Zakim> +EricP
14:33:02 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode?
14:33:02 <Zakim> the conference code is 7333 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie
14:33:21 <LeeF> agenda + convene 
14:33:26 <LeeF> agenda + action items
14:33:30 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
14:33:31 <LeeF> agenda + test suite
14:33:36 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:33:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeeF, Orri_Erling, EricP, Chimezie_Ogbuji
14:33:42 <LeeF> agenda + facets and test coverage
14:33:46 <LeeF> agenda + test harness
14:34:29 <LeeF> Regrets: AndyS, Souri
14:35:01 <LeeF> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/att-0060/2007-08-07-dawg-minutes.html Aug 7 minutes
14:35:48 <LeeF> approved minutes, chimezie seconding
14:36:20 <LeeF> Meet next August 21 @ 14:30 UTC
14:36:24 <LeeF> chimezie claims to be sending regrets
14:36:34 <LeeF> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:36:34 <Zakim> agendum 2. "action items" taken up [from LeeF]
14:36:41 <LeeF> ericP at risk next week
14:36:52 <Zakim> +??P6
14:36:58 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to requisition /TR/SPARQL as a switcher document pointing to the real specs [DONE]
14:37:15 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [DONE]
14:37:20 <iv_an_ru> ??P6 is me
14:37:24 <LeeF> ACTION: AndyS or LeeF to mark non-SELECT tests using :QueryForm classes,  and to move those URIs to the qt: namespace [DONE]
14:37:26 <iv_an_ru> Zakim ??P6 is me
14:37:29 <LeeF> zakim, ??P6 is iv_an_ru
14:37:29 <Zakim> +iv_an_ru; got it
14:37:37 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to run ASK tests 1, 4, and 7 by Aug 7 [DONE]
14:37:47 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to ask CG about RDF/XML version of test suite [DONE]
14:38:55 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to get rid of any distinct and ordered attributes [DONE]
14:39:05 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to mark all tests approved in the 2007-08-07 meeting as approved [DONE]
14:39:17 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF to update the EARL document and all manifest files to use manifest#testname URIs [DONE]
14:39:41 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types  (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES]
14:39:53 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter  and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [CONTINUES]
14:40:08 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to answer "EBV of invalid numeric literals" email from Arjohn [CONTINUES]
14:40:16 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP to incorporate text to fix EBV of illformed numeric literals bug in spec [CONTINUES]
14:40:25 <LeeF> ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES]
14:40:36 <LeeF> ACTION: LeeF and ericP to write tests for uncovered facets [CONTINUES]
14:40:39 <ericP> mail to iesg@ietf.org  Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2007 12:00:01 -0400  Message-Id: <1186502401.4404.54.camel@localhost>
14:40:49 <LeeF> ACTION: Eric+Andy to identify and collect mf:requires URIs and put in documentation [CONTINUES]
14:41:49 <LeeF> ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [CONTINUES]
14:42:01 <LeeF> ACTION: chimezie to write tests to cover missing algebraic forms as per 
14:42:01 <LeeF>   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0056.html [DONE]
14:42:20 <LeeF> LeeF: Are we actually using any tests with mf:requires in data-r2?
14:44:42 <LeeF> open-world/manifest#open-eq-08
14:44:52 <LeeF> approved in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007AprJun/att-0082/2007-06-12-dawg-minutes.html
14:48:13 <LeeF> LeeF: We should ignore tests with mf:requires in generating an implementation report
14:48:26 <LeeF> ericP: implementors should not necessarily expect to pass tests with mf:requires
14:48:52 <LeeF> zakim, close this agendum
14:48:52 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
14:48:53 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:48:55 <Zakim> 1. convene [from LeeF]
14:49:02 <LeeF> zakim, close agendum 1
14:49:02 <Zakim> agendum 1, convene, closed
14:49:03 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:49:04 <Zakim> 3. test suite [from LeeF]
14:49:05 <LeeF> agenda?
14:49:15 <LeeF> zakim, take agendum 5
14:49:15 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take agendum 5', LeeF
14:49:19 <LeeF> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:49:19 <Zakim> agendum 5. "test harness" taken up [from LeeF]
14:49:43 <LeeF> zakim, who's here?
14:49:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see LeeF, Orri_Erling, EricP, Chimezie_Ogbuji, iv_an_ru
14:49:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see chimezie, RRSAgent, Zakim, SteveH, LeeF, ericP, iv_an_ru
14:49:59 <iv_an_ru> I'm here, but I hear/not hearing periodically.
14:50:05 <LeeF> Orri: We are waiting for pointers to endpoints that we can try
14:50:40 <LeeF> LeeF: suggests testing against http://sparql.org/sparql
14:51:19 <iv_an_ru> There's an e-mail in public-rdf-dawg@w3.org
14:51:54 <LeeF> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0082.html Ivan M soliciting SPARQL endpoints
14:52:37 <LeeF> zakim, close this agendum
14:52:37 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
14:52:38 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:52:40 <Zakim> 3. test suite [from LeeF]
14:52:46 <LeeF> zakim, take up next agendum
14:52:46 <Zakim> agendum 3. "test suite" taken up [from LeeF]
14:53:26 <LeeF> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0076.html tests to approve via SPARQL query
14:55:55 <LeeF>  <http://w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/basic/manifest.ttl#bgp-no-match> 
14:55:55 <LeeF>  
14:55:55 <LeeF>         <http://w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/basic/manifest.ttl#prefix-name-1>
14:57:32 <LeeF> LeeF: Glitter and ARQ pass #prefix-name-1, Glitter passes both
14:58:50 <LeeF> PREFIX ex: <http://example.org> 
14:58:50 <LeeF> ...
14:58:50 <LeeF> ex:
14:59:06 <LeeF> BASE <http://example.org>
14:59:06 <LeeF> ...
14:59:06 <LeeF> <>
14:59:23 <chimezie> BASE <http://example.org>
14:59:25 <chimezie> :bar
14:59:56 <ericP> ./algae --test "Non-matching triple pattern" --test "Prefix name 1" --manifest /home/eric/WWW/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/basic/manifest.ttl
15:00:19 <LeeF> PROPOSE: Approve both http://w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/basic/manifest.ttl#bgp-no-match and http://w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/basic/manifest.ttl#prefix-name-1
15:00:24 <LeeF> ericP, seconds
15:00:32 <LeeF> resolved 
15:01:01 <LeeF> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0065.html new ASK test
15:02:26 <LeeF> -> http://tinyurl.com/2f9bmb
15:03:26 <Zakim> -EricP
15:04:39 <LeeF> ARQ, JXT, Glitter all pass the test
15:05:03 <LeeF> PROPOSE: Approve http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0065.html 
15:05:05 <LeeF> chimezie, seconds
15:05:15 <LeeF> resolved
15:05:45 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/boolean-effective-value/manifest#dawg-boolean-literal
15:06:14 <iv_an_ru> Orri, I'm on Skype already.
15:06:27 <LeeF> iv_an_ru, can you run these tests?
15:06:35 <LeeF> zakim, who's speaking?
15:06:46 <Zakim> LeeF, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: LeeF (54%), Orri_Erling (0%)
15:06:54 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
15:06:54 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
15:06:55 <Zakim> +EricP
15:06:56 <LeeF> zakim, mute me
15:06:56 <Zakim> LeeF should now be muted
15:07:00 <LeeF> zakim, unmute me
15:07:00 <Zakim> LeeF should no longer be muted
15:07:50 <LeeF> iv_an_ru, if you can, please try these tests as we paste them in IRC and let us know if you're able to pass them
15:08:16 <iv_an_ru> yes
15:08:17 <LeeF>  mf:name    "Test literal 'true'"
15:10:35 <LeeF> PROPOSE: Approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/boolean-effective-value/manifest#dawg-boolean-literal 
15:10:52 <LeeF> ericP seconds
15:10:55 <LeeF> resolved
15:11:21 <LeeF> iv_an_ru, we're now looking at the tests in expr-builtin
15:11:45 <iv_an_ru> dawg-boolean-literal is OK for me.
15:13:22 <LeeF> PROPOSE: Approve expr-builtin/manifest#dawg-isIRI, #dawg-isLiteral, #dawg-langMatches-basic
15:13:25 <LeeF> ericP seconds
15:13:32 <LeeF> resolved
15:13:39 <LeeF> Now looking at everything in expr-ops
15:14:49 <iv_an_ru> expr-builtin is OK for us except case-sensitivity of languages that should be fixed (known issue).
15:15:12 <LeeF> ARQ and Glitter pass all in expr-ops
15:15:24 <LeeF> Algae passes all but unary minus which is unimplemented
15:15:33 <chimezie> RDFLib passes all but "Less-than or equals"
15:16:10 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve all 7 tests in expr-ops/
15:16:28 <LeeF> chimezie seconds
15:16:38 <LeeF> resolved
15:16:58 <LeeF> iv_an_ru, can you next look at the tests in /cast/
15:17:07 <iv_an_ru> Looking now...
15:18:21 <LeeF>  
15:18:21 <LeeF> @prefix : <http://example.org/> . 
15:18:21 <LeeF>  
15:18:21 <LeeF> :iri :p :z . 
15:18:21 <LeeF> :str :p "string" . 
15:18:22 <LeeF> :fltdbl :p "-10.2E3" . 
15:18:24 <LeeF> :decimal :p "+33.3300" .
15:18:26 <LeeF> :int :p "13" .
15:18:28 <LeeF> :dT :p "2002-10-10T17:00:00Z" .
15:18:30 <LeeF> :bool :p "true"  .
15:18:39 <LeeF> example query:
15:18:40 <LeeF> PREFIX : <http://example.org/> 
15:18:42 <LeeF> PREFIX rdf: <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#> 
15:18:44 <LeeF> PREFIX xsd: <http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#> 
15:18:46 <LeeF> SELECT ?s WHERE { 
15:18:48 <LeeF>     ?s :p ?v . 
15:18:50 <LeeF>     FILTER(datatype(xsd:double(?v)) = xsd:double) . 
15:18:52 <LeeF> }
15:19:49 <iv_an_ru> It's ok for us as soon as integers are in 64-bit limits :)
15:19:50 <LeeF> :fltdbl, :decimal, :int
15:23:04 <LeeF> PROPOSE: Approve the tests in /cast/
15:23:40 <LeeF> chimezie seconds
15:23:48 <LeeF> resolved
15:24:43 <LeeF> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2007JulSep/0078.html proposed tests for algebraic forms
15:25:54 <LeeF> Let's walk through http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/optional/manifest#dawg-optional-complex-1
15:27:12 <LeeF> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/optional/complex-data-1.ttl
15:27:44 <LeeF>  
15:27:44 <LeeF> PREFIX  foaf:   <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/> 
15:27:44 <LeeF> SELECT ?person ?nick ?page ?img ?name ?firstN 
15:27:44 <LeeF> {  
15:27:44 <LeeF>     ?person foaf:nick ?nick 
15:27:45 <LeeF>     OPTIONAL { ?person foaf:isPrimaryTopicOf ?page }  
15:27:47 <LeeF>     OPTIONAL {  
15:27:49 <LeeF>         ?person foaf:name ?name  
15:27:51 <LeeF>         { ?person foaf:depiction ?img } UNION  
15:27:53 <LeeF>         { ?person foaf:firstName ?firstN }  
15:27:55 <LeeF>     } FILTER ( bound(?page) || bound(?img) || bound(?firstN) )  
15:27:57 <LeeF> }
15:28:35 <LeeF> first - pairs of bindings for ?person and ?nick for all but eve
15:28:41 <LeeF> second - optional adds a ?page for john
15:29:36 <LeeF> third - second optional adds a ?name and a ?img for alice and adds nothing for bert or john
15:30:09 <iv_an_ru> tests in /optional/ does not contain filters, esp. filters with variables not bound 'somewhere near', so they're not "dangerous".
15:30:47 <LeeF> fourth - filter excludes bert
15:31:17 <chimezie> should these be moved to their own directory then? complex-algebra or something like that?
15:37:36 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:37:39 <chimezie> chimezie has left #dawg
15:37:40 <iv_an_ru> Bye.
15:37:44 <Zakim> -Orri_Erling
15:38:06 <Zakim> -iv_an_ru
15:41:01 <Zakim> -EricP
15:41:02 <Zakim> -LeeF
15:41:03 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended
15:41:05 <Zakim> Attendees were LeeF, Orri_Erling, EricP, Chimezie_Ogbuji, iv_an_ru
15:41:16 <LeeF> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:41:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/08/14-dawg-minutes.html LeeF
15:41:21 <LeeF> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
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