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15:01:10 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
15:01:16 <Zakim> agenda+ PR request
15:01:18 <Zakim> agendum 5 added
15:01:19 <DanC> DanC has changed the topic to: GRDDL WG 11 Jul http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda scribe: john-l
15:01:20 <Zakim> agenda+ #issue-base-param
15:01:22 <Zakim> agendum 6 added
15:01:26 <Zakim> done reading agenda, DanC
15:01:33 <DanC> Zakim, this will be grddl
15:01:58 <Zakim> ok, DanC, I see SW_GRDDL()11:00AM already started
15:02:12 <Zakim> +DanC
15:02:15 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:02:16 <chimezie> chimezie has joined #grddl-wg
15:02:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.216.445.aaaa, DanC
15:02:41 <john-l> Zakim, aaaa is me
15:02:53 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 1
15:03:04 <Zakim> +john-l; got it
15:03:14 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-07-11T11:00-0400" taken up
15:03:39 <HarryH> Zakim, aaaa is HarryH
15:03:47 <Zakim> + +1.919.668.aabb
15:03:59 <chimezie> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:03 <chimezie> Zakim who is on the phone?
15:04:05 <HarryH> Zakim, aaaa is DanC
15:04:10 <HarryH> Zakim, aabb is HarryH
15:04:20 <Zakim> sorry, HarryH, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:04:22 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:04:31 <FabienG> FabienG has joined #grddl-wg
15:04:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see john-l, DanC, +1.919.668.aabb, Chimezie_Ogbuji
15:04:48 <Zakim> sorry, HarryH, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:04:52 <Zakim> +HarryH; got it
15:05:24 <DanC> agenda + SPARQL WG wants to know about our test harness
15:05:38 <rreck> rreck has joined #grddl-wg
15:05:44 <Zakim> +??P24
15:05:47 <rreck> sorry i'm late
15:05:52 <rreck> rreck
15:05:57 <HarryH> chair: Harry
15:05:59 <john-l> Zakim, ??P24 is rreck
15:06:02 <HarryH> scribe: john-l
15:06:10 <Zakim> + +049238aacc
15:06:10 <HarryH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:06:12 <Zakim> +rreck; got it
15:06:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see john-l, DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, rreck, +049238aacc
15:06:26 <HarryH> Zakim, aacc is FabienG
15:06:26 <Zakim> +FabienG; got it
15:06:54 <HarryH> PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG -- 27th Jun 2007 as a tru e record
15:07:03 <HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-grddl-wg-minutes.html
15:07:13 <DanC> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jul/0010.html
15:07:37 <HarryH> RESOLVED: approved GRDDL WG -- 27th Jun 2007 http://www.w3.org/2007/06/27-grddl-wg-minutes.html as a tru e record
15:07:56 <HarryH> Scribe?
15:08:02 <HarryH> Zakim, pick a scribe
15:08:02 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose DanC
15:08:15 <jjc> jjc has joined #grddl-wg
15:08:29 <HarryH> DanC is scribe next time.
15:08:44 <HarryH> Zakim, item 3
15:08:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'item 3', HarryH
15:08:51 <HarryH> Zakim, next agenda 
15:08:51 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Standard Library Transform" taken up
15:09:02 <danja> danja has joined #grddl-wg
15:09:31 <danja> (whoops, sorry, got involved in a lengthy mail)
15:09:32 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 3
15:09:32 <Zakim> agendum 3. "GRDDL Outreach" taken up
15:10:00 <DanC> q+ to comment on "Kingsley and try to get GRDDL EARL results "
15:10:10 <john-l> HarryH: What do we want to do with our time while GRDDL is in PR?
15:10:15 <john-l> ... Outreach!
15:10:41 <HarryH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0385.html
15:10:43 <john-l> ... Dublin core metadata profile need to be GRDDLified.
15:10:45 <HarryH> Andy Powell?
15:10:48 <HarryH> Eduserv?
15:10:49 <DanC> danja, do you know what's up with dublin core profile stuff?
15:11:00 <DanC> i.e. does any of that leak from IanD to you?
15:11:11 <danja> no sorry, I completely forgot
15:11:19 <HarryH> Try to figure this out.
15:11:24 <danja> I can ask him now (in #talis)
15:11:30 <DanC> pls do
15:11:40 <DanC> ack danc
15:11:40 <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to comment on "Kingsley and try to get GRDDL EARL results "
15:11:58 <john-l> DanC: Kingsley sent EARL results privately.
15:12:28 <john-l> Chimezie: Received copy, haven't gr0ked, will ping about making results public.
15:12:31 <Zakim> + +0127368aadd
15:12:40 <jjc> Zakim, aadd is me
15:12:40 <Zakim> +jjc; got it
15:12:41 <rreck> as for outreach, i was going to propose the use of GRDDL for a presentation at http://ncor.us/oic2007
15:13:12 <danja> DanC, re. DC -
15:13:15 <john-l> DanC: I get to promote GRDDL at XML Summer School.
15:13:19 <danja> iand: no progress - i will email andy powell this afternoon
15:13:33 <HarryH> RSS?
15:13:37 <HarryH> Atom?
15:13:55 <john-l> HarryH: Easiest deployment would be to seed namespace documents for main formats.
15:13:58 <rreck> if someone could help me see how to add a namespace correctly to Zthes i could do many ISO vocabs
15:14:06 <rreck> zthes doesnt use a namespace
15:14:14 <danja> HarryH, RSS 2.0 doesn't have an XML namespace :-(
15:14:26 <DanC> brainstorming on outreach possibilities: Atom, microformats profiles, dublin core, OAI, Creative Commons [timbl/tabulator]
15:14:33 <HarryH> Atom GRDDL?
15:14:43 <danja> not sure of current status of Atom XSLT - Henry Story has one for XSLT 2.0
15:15:11 <danja> also David ??? (will look up) has another, fairly verbose one
15:15:29 <john-l> DanC: Once upon a time RSS had an RDF version, there had been hope of an RDF version of Atom, then there were efforts towards Atom OWL
15:15:43 <john-l> ... now there are bits of code for producing Turtle from Atom
15:16:07 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom is owned by the Atom WG
15:16:10 <john-l> ... the Atom NS is owned by the Atom folks, whom we need to ask if we want to get a namespace doc at the NS URI.
15:17:02 <john-l> HarryH: Need to convince the Atom WG that a namespace doc with a GRDDL ref is value added.
15:17:16 <john-l> DanC: Need to get that by Tim Bray, who is... dubious about the value.
15:17:34 <john-l> ... Need to be a well-engineered solution.
15:17:46 <john-l> HarryH: Follow up with Henry Story about his transformation.
15:17:53 <john-l> ... Any takers?
15:17:58 <danja> I can
15:18:21 <danja> (I also did an XSLT myself, but am pretty sure it's far from complete)
15:18:36 <john-l> s/Need/Needs/
15:19:25 <HarryH> Danja does this sound right - ACTION: danja to find out the status of Atom GRDDL and e-mail listt to find other people with transformations or schemas.
15:19:36 <DanC> which list? IETF Atompub WG?
15:19:36 <danja> fine
15:19:48 <HarryH> Danja does this sound right - ACTION: danja to find out the status of Atom GRDDL and IETF Atompub WG list to find other people with transformations or schemas.
15:20:00 <HarryH> ACTION: danja to find out the status of Atom GRDDL and IETF Atompub WG list to find other people with transformations or schemas.
15:20:02 <danja> finer
15:20:34 <john-l> HarryH: Anyone want to help rreck out with his namespace issues?
15:20:47 <john-l> rreck: Representation of thesauri in XML
15:20:53 <danja> re. Outreach, is there anything that might be useful to pass through SWEO?
15:20:56 <john-l> DanC: Looked at SCOS?
15:20:59 <john-l> rreck: Yup!
15:21:06 <chimezie> s/SCOS/SKOS
15:22:23 <john-l> rreck: All the pieces are in place (e.g. translation to SKOS exists)
15:22:58 <Zakim> +??P36
15:23:17 <danja> Zakim, ??P36 is danja
15:23:17 <Zakim> +danja; got it
15:23:30 <rreck> http://zthes.z3950.org/
15:23:39 <john-l> DanC and rreck discuss the possibility of adding namespaces to Zthes.
15:24:09 <DanC> (I wonder if this is worth some SemWeb CG time)
15:24:24 <DanC> (or SemWeb Deployment WG time)
15:25:04 <john-l> HarryH: Stepping back, we may just want to continue discussing GRDDL deployment on the ML.
15:25:15 <john-l> DanC: I can see using GRDDL offline.
15:25:54 <john-l> DanC: Keep cached copies of namespaced documents.
15:26:39 <john-l> jjc: I could even have a URN, and simply state a relationship between a URN and a namespace document.
15:26:49 <john-l> HarryH: But how do we bootstrap to that point?
15:26:58 <john-l> DanC: But this is reasonable in an enterprise setting.
15:27:21 <danja> (re. Quick Reference Card - I plan to make public to coincide with PR...Agenda #5)
15:28:03 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:28:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see john-l, DanC, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, rreck, FabienG, jjc, danja
15:28:21 <john-l> Straw poll: what would you do to support GRDDL?
15:29:03 <rreck> im bringing it up at a conference on saturday and in a paper that is due today
15:30:23 <chimezie> I plan to push the issue of using GRDDL for extracting links to bioinformatic ontologies from 'legacy' healthcare communication (XML) dialects
15:30:31 <chimezie> this is a theme i keep pushing and will keep pushing
15:30:32 <john-l> john-l: Interested in helping with some follow-up with Atom.
15:31:37 <danja> I plan to fill in some of the gaps in XSLTs, also try and get some online demo stuff (@talis)
15:32:50 <john-l> FabienG: Included GRDDL materials in our graduate school curriculum, integrating GRDDL transforms and agents in various internal projects
15:33:00 <DanC> (fabien explains lots of cool stuff; I hope the scribe is getting that, but if not, maybe fabien can elaborate in mail)
15:33:47 <john-l> jjc: Maintaining Jena GRDDL support
15:34:23 <DanC> agenda + GRDDL press release noodling
15:34:43 <john-l> HarryH: Could add microformat transforms to the XHTML namespace document
15:34:52 <danja> (might a page on the ESW Wiki for GrddlOutreach be useful?)
15:35:18 <chimezie> +q about DanC's comment to the HTML WG about keeping @profile (not related to advocacy, but)..
15:35:20 <DanC> (could be)
15:35:52 <DanC> ack chimezie 
15:35:55 <Zakim> -HarryH
15:36:25 <danja> Zakim, mute me
15:36:25 <Zakim> danja should now be muted
15:36:40 <danja> maybe a cellphone nearby
15:36:53 <DanC> ack danja
15:37:35 <DanC> agenda + OpenID and FOAF and GRDDL
15:37:37 <john-l> danja: I'd like to get some live demos with some practical, interesting results.
15:38:05 <DanC> ACTION: Chime to ask Kingsley about distribution of GRDDL EARL results
15:38:35 <DanC> ACTION: IanD and Danja to e-mail maintainer of Dublin Core Metadata Profile to upgrade to GRDDL. [CONTINUES]
15:38:42 <DanC> Zakim, close item 3
15:38:42 <Zakim> agendum 3, GRDDL Outreach, closed
15:38:43 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:38:44 <Zakim> 2. Standard Library Transform
15:39:00 <DanC> Zakim, take up item 2
15:39:00 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Standard Library Transform" taken up
15:39:01 <danja> iand: no progress - i will email andy powell this afternoon
15:39:37 <DanC> indeed, http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/library has @@s
15:39:44 <john-l> jjc: There is code in the library that still needs work and exercise.
15:40:10 <john-l> jjc: There needs to be an action in this space to ensure work proceeds.
15:41:31 <jjc> http://www.w3.org/2003/g/xml-attributes
15:41:37 <chimezie> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/library GRDDL Standard Transform Library
15:41:43 <DanC> xml-attributes.xsl,v 1.24 2007/06/25 10:52:08 jcarroll
15:42:01 <john-l> jjc: The xml attributes library module needs review.
15:42:45 <john-l> DanC: There are tests that exercise the critical features...
15:43:07 <john-l> ACTION: john-l to read through documentation for xml-attributes and to be sure there aren't any gremlins.
15:43:09 <DanC> "Also, it doesn't use
15:43:09 <DanC> the @@@link W3C XSLT URI library."
15:44:01 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#grddl-library
15:44:11 <DanC> hmm.. no, that's just a link to the library
15:45:23 <john-l> DanC: Should review what tests have what status.
15:46:05 <john-l> DanC: We didn't approve the library tests.
15:46:43 <danja> (btw, http://www.w3.org/TR/xlink2rdf/ may be worth looking at re. Standard Transforms)
15:47:27 <chimezie> -> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/pendinglist.html#lang-html-1 xml:lang from xml-attributes 
15:49:21 <chimezie> "unit"/"regression" tests
15:49:38 <john-l> jjc: I can partition out the tests relevant to the library to their own list.
15:49:55 <DanC> ACTION jjc: organize library tests; link from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/library
15:50:34 <DanC> ACTION jjc: dispose of @@s in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/library (and in docs of 3 txforms)
15:51:01 <DanC> Zakim, close this item
15:51:01 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
15:51:02 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:51:03 <Zakim> 4. Relationship to XHTML 2 and HTML 5
15:51:14 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:51:14 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Relationship to XHTML 2 and HTML 5" taken up
15:51:24 <DanC> Harry, did you send something to the XHTML 2 WG?
15:51:36 <DanC> that's supposed to be in place, e.g. for the meeting later today
15:51:37 <HarryH> I did email Steve Pemberton directly.
15:51:44 <DanC> with public archive?
15:51:48 <HarryH> Yep.
15:51:51 <DanC> ok
15:52:25 <HarryH>  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Jun/0273.html
15:52:35 <HarryH> Note Steve is cc'ed.
15:52:40 <HarryH> No response.
15:52:52 <DanC> I wrote http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2007Jul/0571.html
15:53:02 <HarryH> I will take an action to follow up with Steve if needed.
15:53:08 <DanC> ... in the name of this WG, without review.
15:53:43 <john-l> chimezie: I like it.
15:53:44 <HarryH> So do I take an action for that?
15:54:50 <john-l> DanC: At least there isn't a lot of negative reaction.
15:54:56 <john-l> ... It's possible that it's just being ignored.
15:55:04 <DanC> no, no more action needed, Harry
15:55:36 <HarryH> My only fear would  be if  XHTML also drops profile
15:55:44 <HarryH> in XHTML2
15:56:19 <DanC> Zakim, next item
15:56:19 <Zakim> agendum 5. "PR request" taken up
15:56:39 <HarryH> The call is today 3PM EST.
15:56:59 <HarryH> I have no major concerns.
16:00:27 <john-l> DanC: There might be a loop to close with respect to XQuery and Schemas...
16:00:51 <john-l> chimezie: How does that relate to the URN case?
16:01:08 <john-l> DanC: In the URN case, you're using a custom resolution mechanism...
16:01:22 <john-l> DanC: In another case, there's an undefined binding between the document and the schema.
16:01:30 <john-l> ... That would be a "larger asterisk".
16:03:35 <john-l> john-l: Implementation report was confusing?
16:03:36 <chimezie> If need be , I can suggest text for covering the XML CMS link to schema usecase..
16:06:11 <chimezie> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl-tests/#multiple-representations Testing for Multiple Representations
16:07:52 <john-l> Discussion of "Not Applicable" confusion in the test results document.
16:08:21 <john-l> Looking at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#langconneg1 and the two following tests...
16:08:29 <john-l> Each of these three have the same "input" URI.
16:08:34 <john-l> Thus, they are alternatives.
16:09:07 <Zakim> -FabienG
16:09:20 <chimezie> gTest:subsumes is used for the  maximal conneg situation
16:10:12 <Zakim> +FabienG
16:10:18 <chimezie> otherwise gTest:alternative is asserted where tests share the same input
16:12:14 <john-l> jjc: HP would have a preference to be finished before 2007-09-05
16:12:26 <john-l> DanC: Looking like 2007-09-11 at the moment
16:13:06 <john-l> DanC: 2007-07-13 or 16 for PR, perhaps
16:13:33 <john-l> ... Then a number of members need to encourage it going to Rec
16:13:40 <john-l> ... Also important is press release testimonials
16:13:56 <john-l> s/16/17/
16:14:10 <john-l> chimezie: I prefer 2007-07-13
16:14:31 <DanC> anything else re the PR request, HarryH ?
16:14:42 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:14:42 <Zakim> agendum 6. "#issue-base-param" taken up
16:14:57 <DanC> . ACTION: DanC to remove base param from online GRDDL service and home2rss.xsl
16:15:25 <john-l> DanC: This action should go under outreach.
16:15:36 <john-l> ... Dom is looking to migrate to another GRDDL implementation.
16:16:06 <john-l> chimezie: What infrastructure is present?
16:16:13 <john-l> DanC: Precedent exists for Jena
16:17:31 <DanC> ACTION DanC: to replace the W3C GRDDL service implementation with Jena or redland
16:17:37 <DanC> and my other action is withdrawn
16:18:30 <DanC> DanC: ETA on Jena release?
16:18:36 <DanC> JJC: ~PR time, 13 July
16:18:45 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:18:45 <Zakim> agendum 7. "SPARQL WG wants to know about our test harness" taken up [from DanC]
16:20:08 <Zakim> -danja
16:20:15 <danja> ew
16:21:13 <john-l> Discussion ensues to some end talking about existing tools for manipulating EARL.
16:22:08 <DanC> DanC: I've sent mail about my work; if they need me to explain it further, then it's prolly not mature enough. if they can go with what I've done and explained to others, maybe it is.
16:22:11 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:22:11 <Zakim> agendum 8. "GRDDL press release noodling" taken up [from DanC]
16:22:45 <john-l> DanC: Press release usually goes with Rec.
16:23:15 <john-l> ... Someone else is working on the first draft of the press release.
16:23:26 <john-l> ... Anyone else want to talk to reporters?
16:23:39 <john-l> ... We also need testimonials from member companies.
16:24:07 <DanC> (looking at http://www.w3.org/Press/ )
16:24:30 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2004/01/sws-testimonial
16:24:35 <john-l> jjc: Press release aimed at mid September?
16:24:41 <john-l> DanC: Yes.
16:25:29 <danja> Talis may be willing to provide a testimonial, I'll ping iand
16:25:37 <john-l> DanC: Get your name in lights, write a testimonial!
16:25:51 <john-l> jjc: HP, yes.
16:25:54 <john-l> chimezie: Yes.
16:25:57 <rreck> possibly
16:25:59 <danja> may be worth pinging sweo too
16:26:17 <DanC> yes, please, danja
16:26:18 <FabienG> I can help with french translation ;-)
16:27:00 <FabienG> amour, amour amour
16:27:01 <danja> er, HarryH "we need  testimonials by July" - end of?
16:27:53 <HarryH> End of July at latest, better if earlier.
16:28:00 <DanC> Zakim, next item
16:28:00 <Zakim> agendum 9. "OpenID and FOAF and GRDDL" taken up [from DanC]
16:28:15 <HarryH> Also, let's ask Kingsley for a testimonial.
16:28:28 <john-l> DanC: OpenID: use your homepage as your login key.
16:28:33 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH  to ask Kingsley for  a testimonial
16:28:40 <john-l> ... also like callback auth using web pages instead of email.
16:29:10 <john-l> ... I think it would be cool if we could mix RDF metadata into such webpages using GRDDL.
16:29:27 <john-l> ... How do we trust this data?
16:29:56 <DanC> http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/blog/2
16:30:33 <john-l> DanC: Web log spam sucks, so now we require OpenID logins.
16:30:39 <john-l> ... But a spammer can make up an OpenID login.
16:31:04 <john-l> ... Now, Advogato IDs include FOAF with relationships of trust.
16:31:28 <john-l> ... This is resistant to spam through earned RDF karma.
16:31:49 <john-l> ... So you might be able to comment if you pass a certain karma policy.
16:32:20 <chimezie> sounds like a similar problem space as PAW
16:32:36 <john-l> ... Advogato's FOAF files don't have all the pretty data you might want, though.
16:32:40 <rreck> sounds interesting
16:32:54 <DanC> ADJOURN.
16:32:56 <rreck> good bye all
16:33:02 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
16:33:06 <danja> bye
16:33:07 <Zakim> -jjc
16:33:07 <FabienG> FabienG has left #grddl-wg
16:33:09 <Zakim> -FabienG
16:33:13 <Zakim> -rreck
16:33:15 <Zakim> -john-l
16:33:21 <john-l> Zakim, please generate the minutes.
16:33:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please generate the minutes', john-l
16:33:35 <john-l> Zakim, please publish the minutes.
16:33:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please publish the minutes', john-l
16:34:11 <chimezie> Zakim, list participants
16:34:11 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.216.445.aaaa, DanC, john-l, +1.919.668.aabb, Chimezie_Ogbuji, HarryH, +049238aacc, rreck, FabienG, +0127368aadd, jjc, danja
16:34:13 <john-l> Zakim, list attendees
16:34:15 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.216.445.aaaa, DanC, john-l, +1.919.668.aabb, Chimezie_Ogbuji, HarryH, +049238aacc, rreck, FabienG, +0127368aadd, jjc, danja
16:35:39 <john-l> RRSAgent, please publish the minutes.
16:35:39 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please publish the minutes.', john-l.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:35:43 <john-l> RRSAgent, please publish the minutes
16:35:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/07/11-grddl-wg-minutes.html john-l
16:35:56 <john-l> RRSAgent, please make these logs world-readable
16:38:15 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, DanC, in SW_GRDDL()11:00AM
16:38:23 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended
16:38:24 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.216.445.aaaa, DanC, john-l, +1.919.668.aabb, Chimezie_Ogbuji, HarryH, +049238aacc, rreck, FabienG, +0127368aadd, jjc, danja
16:39:35 <john-l> Any idea why I can't get access to the minutes?  Do I just need to wait longer?  :)
16:41:49 <DanC> hmm... that does seem like long latency...
16:43:57 <DanC> I'm not sure what's happening. I just flipped it to "world", effective in a few seconds
16:44:11 <DanC> I get 200 now
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