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<AndyS> At a minimum, only need it for "<".
<AndyS> Or could relax the test - its the difference of order by (lex, type) vs (type, lex) [ordered pairs]
<AndyS> Be good to get feedback from as wide a selection of impls as possible here.
<ericP> some tests lean on the corresponding <
<AndyS> If they all do the same, no lines of code will change! because text says ...
<ericP> everything labeled with mfx:StringSimpleLiteralCmp in data/OpenWorld/sameTerm-manifest.ttl
<ericP> i'm just trying to see what the best answer to the ambiguity is
<AndyS> [[
<AndyS> The "<" operator defines the relative order of pairs of... simple literals, xsd:strings, ...
<AndyS> ]]
<AndyS> so that text applies to simple lits + xsd:string already (i.e. shows intent)
<AndyS> Not a great argument but.
<AndyS> True - there could be other readings.
ericP, joining?
<ericP> yes, beating head against wall first...
<scribe> ACTION: AndyS to take a look at GRAPH and FROM NAMED tests [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: jeen to annotate http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/open-world/manifest.ttl to mark the tests that use data-2.ttl as requiring support for illformed literals [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action02]
<scribe> ACTION: jeen to look at sorting / ORDER BY tests to move them to data-r2 [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: LeeF mark algebra tests as approved and add rdfs:comments [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action04]
<scribe> ACTION: LeeF remove case-sensitive tests and mark other lang tag case tests as approved [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action05]
<scribe> ACTION: LeeF to move ExprEquals tests to new area, mark as approved [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action06]
<scribe> Scribe: LeeF
next meeting: july 3
regrets next week, ericP
<scribe> ACTION: ericP to poke IETF folks about registering SPARQL media types (esp. application/sparql-query) [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action07]
action -7
<scribe> ACTION: EricP to run the yacker tool over and annotate the existing tests to summarize coverage [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action08]
<scribe> ACTION: ericP & chimezie to see if all the identified algebraic forms fit into the XPath-based facet approach [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action09]
<scribe> ACTION: EliasT to come up with feature list for protocol testing [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action10]
<scribe> ACTION: ericP to write a test showing that langMatches doens't do extended matching [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action11]
<scribe> ACTION: ericP to get in touch with SteveH re: setting up an environment to generate an Overview page for tests in data-r2 a la http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/ [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action12]
question: what happens when sorting a plain literal and an xsd:string literal with different lexical forms?
ARQ thinks that "alice"^^xsd:string < "bob"
and that "bob" < "charlie"^^xsd:string
<AndyS> Glitter - same
ericP: < isn't defined on those two
"""
SPARQL also fixes an order between some kinds of RDF terms that would not otherwise be ordered:
1. (Lowest) no value assigned to the variable or expression in this solution.
2. Blank nodes
3. IRIs
4. RDF literals
5. A plain literal is lower than an RDF literal with type xsd:string of the same lexical form.
The relative order of literals with language tags or typed literals with different types is undefined.
"""
<AndyS> In unextended SPARQL, < does not apply to the pair xsd:string, simple literal
ericP: that text doesn't cover
this situation, as well as not covering the situation in which
you compare an integer and a date
... ...so maybe we don't test for this
AndyS: We could remove 5 to loosen ordering requirements (and not test for this case)
"[en]This is in English!"^^xsd:string :-)
ericP: we could add an expository note about this
SteveH: I get the same results as Andy
<AndyS> ACTION: Eric+Andy: Collect all the testing feature URIs and put in the documentation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action13]
<LeeF_> PROPOSED: Approve #dawg-sort[1..10] in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/sort/manifest.ttl
<LeeF_> steveH seconds
<LeeF_> resolved
<ericP> ACTION: ericP to write explanatory text saying that, like xsd:inteter and xsd:dateTime, the relative order of simple literals and xsd:strings is not defined here [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action14]
<LeeF_> ACTION: LeeF to mark approved sorting tests (1..10) as such [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action15]
<LeeF_> ericP and SteveH do not pass a bunch of tests in graph/ and dataset/ due to lack of implementation support
<LeeF_> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/graph/
<LeeF_> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data-r2/dataset/
<ericP> ACTION: ericP, AndyS to add the mf:requires labels to the manifest namespace document [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action16]
<LeeF_> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/README.html
<LeeF_> ACTION: chimezie and/or ericP to try running tests in data-r2/dataset and data-r2/graph and report results by July 10 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/26-dawg-minutes.html#action17]
<LeeF_> LeeF will follow-up with Ivan/Orri to see if they might provide a SPARQL endpoint URI -> test results service
<LeeF_> ericP: xpath-testable stuff in the facets document, and stuff coded otherwise that isn't xpath testable
<LeeF_> ...the facets data (not all of it expressed in xpath) identifies everything we're testing for
<Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask which tests to target next
<LeeF_> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/
<LeeF_> LeeF_: Casting dir in /data/ seems empty
<LeeF_> ... we'll need CONSTRUCT tests
<LeeF_> ... we'll need DISTINCT tests
<LeeF_> ... we'll need the TypePromotion tests
<LeeF_> ... we'll need the i18n tests
<LeeF_> ericP: i pass all 3 CONSTRUCT tests
<LeeF_> adjourned.
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