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17:58:18 <MSM> zakim, this will be SML
17:58:18 <Zakim> ok, MSM; I see XML_SMLWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
17:58:49 <plh> plh has joined #sml
18:00:58 <MSM> zakim, please call MSM-Office
18:00:58 <Zakim> ok, MSM; the call is being made
18:00:59 <Zakim> XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has now started
18:01:04 <Zakim> +MSM
18:01:39 <Zakim> +Plh
18:02:04 <Valentina> Valentina has joined #sml
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18:02:12 <Zakim> +James_Lynn
18:02:29 <Zakim> +John
18:02:45 <MSM> zakim, who's here?
18:02:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see MSM, Plh, James_Lynn, John
18:02:45 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jim, Valentina, plh, RRSAgent, Zakim, Sandy, MSM, trackbot-ng
18:02:49 <MSM> zakim, what's the code?
18:02:49 <Zakim> the conference code is 76594 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), MSM
18:03:12 <Zakim> +??P10
18:03:30 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:04:06 <Zakim> + +1.905.413.aaaa
18:04:20 <ginny> ginny has joined #sml
18:04:31 <Sandy> zakim, P10 is me
18:04:31 <Zakim> sorry, Sandy, I do not recognize a party named 'P10'
18:04:35 <pratul> pratul has joined #sml
18:04:42 <Sandy> zakim ??P10 is me
18:04:48 <Sandy> zakim, ??P10 is me
18:04:48 <Zakim> +Sandy; got it
18:05:10 <pratul> Has the telecon passcode changed?
18:05:26 <Sandy> meeting: W3C SML Teleconference of 2007-06-21
18:05:30 <pratul> I am getting "passcode not valid" message
18:05:37 <Sandy> scribenick: Sandy
18:05:41 <Sandy> scribe: Sandy Gao
18:05:57 <Jim> Yes - it is 76594
18:06:04 <Sandy> date: 2007-06-21
18:06:17 <Zakim> +Zulah_Eckert
18:06:31 <MSM> MSM has changed the topic to: SML WG meeting, pass code is SMLWG = 76594
18:06:49 <MSM> zakim, who's here?
18:06:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see MSM, Plh, James_Lynn, John, Sandy, [Microsoft], +1.905.413.aaaa, Zulah_Eckert
18:06:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see pratul, ginny, Jim, Valentina, plh, RRSAgent, Zakim, Sandy, MSM, trackbot-ng
18:07:01 <plh> zakim, microsoft is Bassam
18:07:01 <Zakim> +Bassam; got it
18:07:03 <MSM> zakim, [Microsoft] is Bassam
18:07:03 <Zakim> sorry, MSM, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft]'
18:07:11 <johnarwe> johnarwe has joined #sml
18:07:17 <Sandy> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2007Jun/0044.html
18:07:19 <Valentina> zakim, +1.905.413.aaaa is me
18:07:19 <Zakim> +Valentina; got it
18:07:30 <Sandy> chair: John Arwe & Pratul Dublish
18:07:39 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:07:56 <MSM> zakim, microsoft is Pratul
18:07:56 <Zakim> +Pratul; got it
18:08:02 <MSM> zakim, who's here?
18:08:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see MSM, Plh, James_Lynn, John, Sandy, Bassam, Valentina, Zulah_Eckert, Pratul
18:08:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see johnarwe, pratul, ginny, Jim, Valentina, plh, RRSAgent, Zakim, Sandy, MSM, trackbot-ng
18:08:34 <Zakim> +??P8
18:09:17 <Zakim> + +1.732.658.aabb
18:09:19 <MSM> zakim, ??P8 is Bryan
18:09:19 <Zakim> +Bryan; got it
18:09:31 <Brian> Brian has joined #sml
18:09:34 <johnarwe> s/Bryan/Brian/
18:09:48 <MSM> zakim, +1.732 is Paul_Lipton
18:09:48 <Zakim> +Paul_Lipton; got it
18:09:50 <Zakim> + +1.530.823.aacc
18:10:06 <MSM> zakim, +1.530 is ginny
18:10:06 <Zakim> +ginny; got it
18:10:44 <MSM> zakim, who's here?
18:10:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see MSM, Plh, James_Lynn, John, Sandy, Bassam, Valentina, Zulah_Eckert, Pratul, Bryan, Paul_Lipton, ginny
18:10:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see Brian, johnarwe, pratul, ginny, Jim, Valentina, plh, RRSAgent, Zakim, Sandy, MSM, trackbot-ng
18:10:51 <MSM> zakim, Bryan is Brian
18:10:51 <Zakim> +Brian; got it
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18:11:21 <Sandy> TOPIC: Approval of the 5/24 teleconference minutes
18:11:43 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: approved.
18:11:59 <Sandy> TOPIC: new feedback/issues related to the SML and SML IF specs
18:12:04 <johnarwe> No new feedback/issues for item 4.
18:12:13 <Sandy> no new issues brought forward
18:12:35 <Sandy> TOPIC: publication schedule
18:13:45 <Zakim> + +1.603.823.aadd
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18:14:57 <Sandy> Pratul went through the proposed schedule outlined in the agenda.
18:16:41 <Sandy> John: is there CG process we need to go through if we change publication schedule?
18:17:17 <Sandy> MSM: nothing formal.
18:17:23 <Kirk> Kirk has joined #sml
18:17:43 <Sandy> ACTION: John to inform the XML CG about this schedule change.
18:17:43 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-88 - Inform the XML CG about this schedule change. [on John Arwe - due 2007-06-28].
18:20:29 <MSM> zakim, who is making noise/
18:20:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise/', MSM
18:20:36 <MSM> zakim, who is making noise?
18:20:51 <Zakim> MSM, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 13 (24%), John (28%), Pratul (52%), MSM (18%)
18:21:19 <MSM> zakim, +1.603 is Kirk
18:21:19 <Zakim> +Kirk; got it
18:21:42 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: the WG agrees to this plan.
18:21:55 <Sandy> TOPIC: Review open action items
18:23:44 <Sandy> John: suggest that in the future "editor" actions are more explicitly marked, to distinguish them from other actions.
18:24:34 <MSM> [Specifically, by using the word "editors" as first word of the description
18:25:56 <Sandy> Sandy: do we minute closed actions, or do we trust the assignees to close them?
18:26:47 <Sandy> John: for some (open bugzilla) actions, it's ok to leave it to individuals. we may want to review resolutions for other actions.
18:27:01 <Sandy> ... and how to review resolutions of editors' actions?
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18:29:28 <Zakim> -Zulah_Eckert
18:29:41 <Sandy> MSM: some wgs (including schema) has a "status" section that describes changes made in a particular draft.
18:30:07 <Zakim> +Zulah
18:31:46 <Sandy> for example http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-1/structures.consent.20070309.html
18:37:53 <Valentina> another example http://www.eclipse.org/tptp/home/downloads/drops/cvsActivity/TPTP-4.4.0-200706210100.html
18:38:06 <Sandy> Ginny: there's a difference between listing action/bug numbers and giving descriptions of changes.
18:39:03 <johnarwe> eclipse looks ok, depends on cvs commit comments but people like do that already
18:40:11 <Sandy> ACTION: valentina to [EDITORS] propose how they want to provide summary of changes for spec drafts.
18:40:11 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-89 - [EDITORS] propose how they want to provide summary of changes for spec drafts. [on Valentina Popescu - due 2007-06-28].
18:42:11 <Sandy> MSM: handled all "open bugzilla" actions. was wondering whether he should close them, or wait for the WG to review.
18:42:17 <Sandy> Pratul: just close them.
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18:48:07 <MSM> Action 32 appears in IRC log at http://www.w3.org/2007/06/12-sml-irc
18:50:03 <Sandy> Sandy: handled 7 of 8 actions. wasn't sure what action 32 was about.
18:51:06 <Sandy> Bassam: action 32 is about what happens when an element has a type that's *not* derived from reftype, but has target* attributes.
18:52:34 <Sandy> Kirk: Sandy was also saying that, for a type that allows attribute wildcard, it's possible in the instance to have sml:ref="true".
18:52:37 <MSM> {Repeating the example because the one in the IRC log is hard to follow:
18:52:38 <MSM>     <complexType name="foo">
18:52:38 <MSM>     <sequence>
18:52:38 <MSM>     <element name="ref-x" type="my:zip"      sml:targetType="x" />
18:52:38 <MSM>     <element name="ref-y" type="sml:refType" sml:targetType="y" />
18:52:40 <MSM>     </sequence>
18:52:43 <MSM>     </complexType>
18:52:45 <MSM> ]
18:54:39 <Sandy> Pratul: BEA left the SML WG?
18:55:08 <MSM> zakim, who's here?
18:55:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see MSM, Plh, James_Lynn, John, Sandy, Bassam, Valentina, Pratul, Brian, Paul_Lipton, ginny, Kirk, Zulah
18:55:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jim, pratul, Kirk, Bassam, Paul_L, Brian, johnarwe, ginny, Valentina, plh, RRSAgent, Zakim, Sandy, MSM, trackbot-ng
18:57:02 <Sandy> MSM: I wonder whether DavidO only meant to remove himself or BEA.
18:57:14 <Sandy> Zulah will check with DavidO to confirm.
18:58:39 <Sandy> Pratul: given that Vijay will be away, I'll take his action 56.
18:59:30 <Sandy> TOPIC: Review the bugs/issues in Bugzilla
18:59:47 <Sandy> Assume all typos will be fixed in the FPWD.
18:59:59 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: WG agrees that all typos will be fixed in the FPWD.
19:03:42 <Sandy> MSM: we can pick an editor as the default assignee for SML and one for IF. but the assignee doesn't always reflect who's responsible, so another option is to just ignore this field.
19:05:20 <Sandy> Valentina: seems we can't change assignees for opened bugs.
19:05:53 <Sandy> MSM: we can configure Bugzilla so that editors/chairs/members can edit opened bugs.
19:06:23 <Sandy> ACTION: Michael to update bugzilla configuration to upgrade people's privileges. 
19:06:23 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-90 - Update bugzilla configuration to upgrade people\'s privileges.  [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-28].
19:07:24 <Sandy> Bug 4616 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4616
19:08:13 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: WG agrees 4616 should be fixed in FPWD.
19:11:02 <Sandy> Bug 4617 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4617
19:11:32 <Sandy> Sandy: in addition to make it option, need to add constraint to make sure "need 1 and only 1 of the 2 ref attributes".
19:12:14 <Sandy> ACTION: Pratul to make sure fix to bug 4617 requires "need 1 and only 1 of the 2 ref attributes".
19:12:14 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-91 - Make sure fix to bug 4617 requires \"need 1 and only 1 of the 2 ref attributes\". [on Pratul Dublish - due 2007-06-28].
19:13:12 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: WG agrees 4617 should be fixed in FPWD.
19:13:25 <Sandy> 4618 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4618
19:14:10 <Jim> Jim has joined #sml
19:15:05 <Sandy> s/make it option/make it optional
19:15:38 <Zakim> -Zulah
19:16:17 <Sandy> ACTION: pratul to open a bug to point out the constraint from schematron that you can't establish context across documents.
19:16:17 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-92 - Open a bug to point out the constraint from schematron that you can\'t establish context across documents. [on Pratul Dublish - due 2007-06-28].
19:18:05 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: WG agrees 4618 and the new bug Pratul is going to open will *not* be fixed in FPWD.
19:19:50 <Sandy_> Sandy_ has joined #sml
19:22:54 <Sandy_> zakim, Sandy_ is Sandy
19:22:54 <Zakim> sorry, Sandy_, I do not recognize a party named 'Sandy_'
19:24:03 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: attemp to fix 4627 in FPWD.
19:24:41 <johnarwe> zakim, who is making noise?
19:24:56 <Zakim> johnarwe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Pratul (13%), MSM (65%)
19:25:06 <Sandy> Bug 4628 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4628
19:26:02 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: not to attemp to fix 4628, 4629 and 4630 in FPWD.
19:26:04 <Zakim> -Kirk
19:27:09 <Sandy> Bug 4632 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4632
19:27:09 <Zakim> +Kirk
19:27:59 <Sandy> rrsagent, generate minutes
19:27:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-minutes.html Sandy
19:28:51 <Sandy> ACTION: to investigate 4632 and come back with suggested resolution (whether to support IRI .)
19:28:51 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
19:29:15 <plh> ACTION: Philippe to investigate 4632 and come back with suggested resolution (whether to support IRI .)
19:29:15 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-93 - Investigate 4632 and come back with suggested resolution (whether to support IRI .) [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2007-06-28].
19:29:44 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: not to attemp to fix 4632 in FPWD.
19:29:54 <Sandy> rrsagent, make log public
19:30:01 <Sandy> rrsagent, generate minutes
19:30:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-minutes.html Sandy
19:34:54 <Sandy> ACTION: Michael to start email discussion around issue 4636 by 2007-07-10.
19:34:54 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-94 - Start email discussion around issue 4636 by 2007-07-10. [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2007-06-28].
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19:35:10 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: not to attemp to fix 4636 in FPWD.
19:35:24 <kwilson2> kwilson2 is Kirk
19:37:35 <Sandy> Valentina: I can work on a proposal for 4637 next week. failing that, it'll be end of july.
19:38:38 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: may want to include 4637 in FPWD, depending on what proposal Valentina suggests.
19:39:10 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: not to attemp to fix 4638 in FPWD.
19:40:48 <Sandy> ACTION: Ginny to start email discussion around issue 4639.
19:40:48 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Ginny
19:40:56 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: not to attemp to fix 4639 in FPWD.
19:46:23 <Paul_L> q
19:46:24 <Paul_L> q
19:46:28 <Paul_L> quit
19:46:40 <Paul_L> \quit
19:46:41 <johnarwe> resume next week at bug 4640
19:46:54 <Sandy> RESOLUTION: wg agrees to fix 4640 to align with how schema uses these terms (definition and declaration)
19:47:16 <Sandy> RESOLUTION:  fix 4640 in FPWD.
19:47:23 <MSM> It's visible and fairly easy, so yes, fpwd is a good targert
19:47:29 <MSM> s/targert/target/
19:47:58 <Sandy> 10 01resume next week after bug 4640
19:48:11 <Sandy> 04 01ACTION: vaginia to start email discussion around issue 4639.
19:48:29 <ginny> use Virginia
19:48:46 <Sandy> ACTION: Virginia to start email discussion around issue 4639.
19:48:46 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-95 - Start email discussion around issue 4639. [on Virginia Smith - due 2007-06-28].
19:49:07 <Sandy> TOPIC: Aug F2F
19:50:17 <Sandy> Agreed as outlined in the agenda.
19:50:25 <Sandy> TOPIC: Oct F2F
19:51:14 <Sandy> Sandy: prefers to start as early as possible.
19:52:58 <Sandy> MSM: has a slight preference for Monday too.
19:53:15 <Sandy> Agreed to the start/end time outlined in the agenda.
19:53:37 <Sandy> TOPIC: Telecon July 5
19:54:19 <Sandy> Pratul: people who can't make it, please send regrets.
19:54:28 <Sandy> Valentina: regrets for July 05.
19:54:41 <Sandy> Sandy: possible regrets for July 5.
19:55:27 <Sandy> Paul: possible regrets.
19:56:05 <Sandy> All others who are on the phone are OK with having a telecon July 05.
19:57:05 <Paul_L> Just to clarify, I have a preference for Tuesday meetings, but will accommodate the group, of course.
19:58:25 <johnarwe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-sml/2007Jun/att-0013/20070612-sml-minutes.html
19:59:25 <Paul_L> Sorry, I meant F2F meetings.
20:00:15 <Zakim> -Pratul
20:00:53 <johnarwe> look the 6/12 minutes at uri above, search for red, email updates w/in next 24 hours
20:01:27 <Sandy> John: minutes from the past F2F are unclear in a few places (red text in the above link). WG members please review them within the next 24 hours.
20:02:32 <Sandy> regrets: Heather Kreger, Marvin Waschke
20:03:50 <MSM> RRSAgent, please make minutes public
20:03:50 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make minutes public', MSM.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
20:08:44 <MSM> [time check] 
20:09:23 <Sandy> Paul: suggest to include [sml] in all our group email discussions.
20:10:12 <Sandy> Philippe: not a convention W3C uses consistently.
20:10:50 <Zakim> -Kirk
20:10:59 <MSM> zakim, who's here?
20:10:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see MSM, Plh, James_Lynn, John, Sandy, Bassam, Valentina, Brian, Paul_Lipton, ginny
20:11:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sandy, Jim, Bassam, Paul_L, Brian, johnarwe, ginny, Valentina, plh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MSM, trackbot-ng
20:12:19 <Zakim> -Paul_Lipton
20:12:25 <Zakim> -MSM
20:12:28 <Zakim> -Plh
20:12:29 <Zakim> -ginny
20:12:32 <ginny> ginny has left #sml
20:12:38 <Zakim> -Valentina
20:13:11 <Zakim> -John
20:13:13 <Zakim> -Sandy
20:13:19 <Zakim> -Bassam
20:13:24 <johnarwe> johnarwe has left #sml
20:13:33 <Zakim> -James_Lynn
20:13:38 <Kirk> Kirk has joined #sml
20:14:08 <Zakim> -Brian
20:14:09 <Zakim> XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended
20:14:10 <Zakim> Attendees were MSM, Plh, James_Lynn, John, Sandy, Zulah_Eckert, Bassam, Valentina, Pratul, +1.732.658.aabb, Paul_Lipton, +1.530.823.aacc, ginny, Brian, +1.603.823.aadd, Kirk, Zulah
20:14:25 <Sandy> rrsagent, please generate minutes
20:14:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-minutes.html Sandy
20:14:38 <Brian> quit
20:15:03 <Sandy> rrsagent, bye
20:15:03 <RRSAgent> I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-actions.rdf :
20:15:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John to inform the XML CG about this schedule change. [1]
20:15:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-irc#T18-17-43
20:15:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: valentina to [EDITORS] propose how they want to provide summary of changes for spec drafts. [2]
20:15:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-irc#T18-40-11
20:15:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to update bugzilla configuration to upgrade people's privileges.  [3]
20:15:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-irc#T19-06-23
20:15:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Pratul to make sure fix to bug 4617 requires "need 1 and only 1 of the 2 ref attributes". [4]
20:15:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-irc#T19-12-14
20:15:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pratul to open a bug to point out the constraint from schematron that you can't establish context across documents. [5]
20:15:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-irc#T19-16-17
20:15:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: to investigate 4632 and come back with suggested resolution (whether to support IRI .) [6]
20:15:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-irc#T19-28-51
20:15:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Philippe to investigate 4632 and come back with suggested resolution (whether to support IRI .) [7]
20:15:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-irc#T19-29-15
20:15:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to start email discussion around issue 4636 by 2007-07-10. [8]
20:15:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-irc#T19-34-54
20:15:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ginny to start email discussion around issue 4639. [9]
20:15:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-irc#T19-40-48
20:15:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Virginia to start email discussion around issue 4639. [10]
20:15:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/21-sml-irc#T19-48-46
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