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14:00:33 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS WG
14:00:35 <fsasaki> chair: Yves
14:00:37 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
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14:01:01 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
14:01:02 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0054.html
14:01:05 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
14:01:07 <Zakim> +Jirka
14:01:49 <Zakim> +Felix
14:01:52 <Zakim> +Yves_Savourel
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14:02:17 <YvesS> zakim, who is here?
14:02:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Jirka, Felix, Yves_Savourel
14:02:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see chriLi, Jirka, fsasaki, RRSAgent, Zakim, YvesS
14:02:34 <chriLi> hi guys, I may need some more time to get a phone connection
14:02:50 <YvesS> ok. will start without you.
14:03:35 <fsasaki> topic: action items
14:04:04 <fsasaki> action: Felix to contact JIS people in Japan about possiblity of "ITS as JIS" (DONE)
14:04:30 <fsasaki> Felix: ITS as JIS is a totally different process than ITS as ISO, and not sure if it worthwhile
14:04:46 <fsasaki> .. propose to close ITS "ISO / JIS etc." for now
14:04:50 <fsasaki> Yves: agree
14:04:56 <fsasaki> .. worry about that later
14:06:24 <fsasaki> action: yves to check the whole doc for consistency for "attribute" vs "attribute value" (ONGOING)
14:06:41 <fsasaki> action: Yves to rewrite the description of example 11 (DONE)
14:06:57 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html
14:09:38 <fsasaki> Jirka mentions a type, Yves will fix that
14:10:11 <fsasaki> Yves: example shows not how to override s.t., but how to implement overriding facilities of DITA
14:10:30 <fsasaki> Jira, Felix : looks fine to me
14:10:34 <Zakim> +Claus
14:10:58 <fsasaki> present+ Christian, Felix, Jirka, Yves
14:11:57 <fsasaki> action: Christian to make a proposal for "4.1.4 Create your XPath Expressions with Care (DONE)
14:12:28 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#GenXPath
14:12:59 <fsasaki> Yves: removed the example with XPath simplification
14:13:18 <Jirka> there is typo "the follwing general dimensions" -> "the following general dimensions"
14:17:51 <fsasaki> topic: BP restructuring
14:18:03 <fsasaki> Felix: do we want to do it? When would we do it?
14:19:18 <fsasaki> Yves: let's discuss this next week
14:19:42 <fsasaki> .. have an AI for everybody for that
14:20:13 <fsasaki> action: everybody to look at BP restructuring, including existing threads on the topic, until next meeting
14:20:26 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/TR/#last-call
14:20:35 <fsasaki> topic: Reviewing W3C Work or other work for ITS
14:20:53 <fsasaki> Yves: nothing new from W3C LC drafts
14:21:12 <fsasaki> no news on SRX reviews
14:21:30 <fsasaki> Christian: XLIFF 1xx is now a committee specification
14:21:40 <fsasaki> s/1xx/1.2/
14:21:51 <fsasaki> .. next step will probably an OASIS standard
14:22:07 <fsasaki> Yves: this could need improvement e..g about bidirectionality
14:22:49 <fsasaki> Christian: past reviews: got reply about EMMA comment
14:23:27 <fsasaki> .. replier sees an area were ITS fits in, and he will send a reply
14:23:41 <fsasaki> .. btw, did we hear back from OSCAR people?
14:23:50 <fsasaki> Yves: just acknowledgement of the comment
14:24:28 <fsasaki> .. on XForms: we got feedback that ITS would be useful, but they don't have the resource to write the rules
14:24:37 <fsasaki> .. I have started to work on XForms ITS rules
14:25:01 <fsasaki> action: Yves to continue work on XForms ITS rules
14:25:14 <fsasaki> topic: BP discussion
14:25:36 <fsasaki> Yves: everybody fine with 3 and 4?
14:27:05 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0056.html
14:27:47 <fsasaki> Christian: fine with the proposal from Yves on 3 in 56 mail
14:28:48 <fsasaki> Yves: think we will see that in many BPs, so it should be in more generic techniques
14:29:36 <YvesS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0057.html
14:30:04 <fsasaki> Yves: for 3 and 4, we have agreement on the current text
14:30:35 <fsasaki> .. now BP 5
14:32:15 <fsasaki> comment from Christian at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0057.html
14:32:54 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#DevTransOver
14:33:01 <fsasaki> Yves: common issue for many topics: defaults for a schema, and overriding of ITS rules
14:33:23 <fsasaki> Christian: could use that for a general section possibly
14:36:27 <fsasaki> Felix makes some rewriting proposals
14:36:29 <fsasaki> Jirka: current description of BP is fine with me
14:37:56 <fsasaki> Yves: BP 5 says not that you should not use its:translate if you have a translate attribute in your schema already
14:38:03 <fsasaki> Felix: it is indirectly said in:
14:38:10 <fsasaki> "If you are working with DTD or a schema where there is a way to override translatability information that is not its:translate, you should provide an ITS rules document where you use the its:translateRule element to associate this mechanism to the ITS Translate data category."
14:38:43 <fsasaki> Yves: proposal:
14:39:07 <fsasaki> "If you are working with DTD or a schema where there is a way to override translatability information that is not its:translate, you should use it. You should provide an ITS rules document where you use the its:translateRule element to associate this mechanism to the ITS Translate data category."
14:40:31 <fsasaki> Christian's proposal "If you are working with DTD or a schema where there is a way to override translatability information that is not its:translate, you should use it. In addition, you should provide an ITS rules document where you use the its:translateRule element to associate this mechanism to the ITS Translate data category."
14:40:48 <fsasaki> Yves, Felix: looks good
14:41:47 <fsasaki> Yves: "In some cases, the author of a document may need to change the translatability property on parts of the content, overriding defaults or more general rules." "Why to do this" part is very short, but we leave it like that now
14:42:22 <fsasaki> .. references are short as well
14:42:36 <fsasaki> .. close BP 5 for now
14:42:39 <fsasaki> .. now BP 6
14:43:02 <fsasaki> input from Christian http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007AprJun/0058.html
14:43:47 <fsasaki> Yves: "document your code" should be an aspect of a general technique
14:44:11 <fsasaki> .. should we put a new BP about that or have that on the generic techniques?
14:45:07 <fsasaki> Christian: as a new BP?
14:45:13 <fsasaki> Felix: sounds like a technique to me
14:45:26 <fsasaki> Yves: we have s.t. like that already about creating ITS rules
14:45:32 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#DevITSRules
14:46:58 <fsasaki> Felix: rules are just one kind of documentation, there is also e.g. human readable documentation
14:47:28 <fsasaki> Christian: schema designers first need to describe "what is (not) translatable"? When they need to apply special mechanisms, i.e. ITS rules
14:47:48 <fsasaki> Yves: so we need to reword BP 14 to include Christian's input
14:49:35 <fsasaki> action: everyone to propose rewriting of BP 14 as discussed in 20 June 2007 meeting
14:50:30 <fsasaki> Yves: back to BP 6 - any other aspect to hink about?
14:50:53 <fsasaki> .. I need to rewrite the definition of the rule in example 13
14:51:13 <fsasaki> action: Yves to rewrite the definition of the rule in example 13
14:52:54 <fsasaki> topic: next meetings AIs
14:52:59 <fsasaki> Yves: will be 7 and 8
14:53:48 <fsasaki> topic: republication of BP draft
14:54:22 <fsasaki> Yves: everybody fine with publication?
14:54:29 <fsasaki> RESOLUTION: WG agrees with publication of new BP WG
14:54:43 <fsasaki> Yves: will post the question to ML, wait for answers until Friday
14:55:23 <fsasaki> Felix: proposed publication date would be 28 June (next week Thursday)
14:55:30 <fsasaki> topic: requirement document
14:56:37 <fsasaki> Yves: any deadline
14:56:58 <fsasaki> Felix: no deadline. I'd propose to wait with publication until the xml i18n BP WG Note publication
14:57:30 <Zakim> -Felix
14:57:32 <Zakim> -Christian
14:57:34 <Zakim> -Jirka
14:57:36 <Zakim> -Yves_Savourel
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14:57:38 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
14:57:40 <Zakim> Attendees were Jirka, Felix, Yves_Savourel, Christian
14:57:41 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:57:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
15:25:11 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
15:25:11 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-actions.rdf :
15:25:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to contact JIS people in Japan about possiblity of "ITS as JIS" (DONE) [1]
15:25:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-irc#T14-04-04
15:25:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: yves to check the whole doc for consistency for "attribute" vs "attribute value" (ONGOING) [2]
15:25:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-irc#T14-06-24
15:25:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to rewrite the description of example 11 (DONE) [3]
15:25:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-irc#T14-06-41
15:25:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Christian to make a proposal for "4.1.4 Create your XPath Expressions with Care (DONE) [4]
15:25:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-irc#T14-11-57
15:25:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everybody to look at BP restructuring, including existing threads on the topic, until next meeting [5]
15:25:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-irc#T14-20-13
15:25:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to continue work on XForms ITS rules [6]
15:25:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-irc#T14-25-01
15:25:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: everyone to propose rewriting of BP 14 as discussed in 20 June 2007 meeting [7]
15:25:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-irc#T14-49-35
15:25:11 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to rewrite the definition of the rule in example 13 [8]
15:25:11 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/06/20-i18nits-irc#T14-51-13
15:25:13 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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