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<BillBug> Are we on HCLS or BioRDF for the call?
eneumann: Alan did an amazing job at Banff
<BillBug> ZAKIM info - http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html
alan ruttenberg: still remaining data sources to add, ISMB poster to do, in July, there is interest in perl.org for URL standardization, might be good to write up, calls out to NCBO and Amith, cuz we have the machine about 2 weeks before we have to give back to HP, anyone else who can provide a host would be great, server at Science Commons is a dev environment, over next few months, this is a basis for ongoing work at Science Commons, there is a list of kno
Billbug: consider adding monoclonal information
alan ruttenberg: if people have ontologies they want to load and play with, please send me a note, over the next weeks, I'm still recovering from being in demo mode, so won't be a lot of activity
eneumann: the word is out, people are interested, we need to put together a web page that simplifies the user experience, let's put a small set of front ends to the SPARQL engine,
alan ruttenberg: also things that can be done with Virtuoso interfaces, it might be worth getting Kingsly to do a demo for us, they have RDF browser, etc, to show us prebuilt interfaces
ACTION eneumann will contact Kingsley to arrange demo
Alan Ruttenberg: Mattias will be presenter for ISMB
BillBug: I'm curious to know, if people have chunks of OWL,, you'll load it, how does that relate to all the OWL artifacts that Chris Mungle has, etc.
Alan Ruttenberg: some are already loaded, we can load arbitrary OWL, yes, but links will be less straightforward.
BillBug: can we systematically load some resources, ACTION ITEM Bill will collect list of URLs, send to Alan Rutttenberg so Alan can load
<vipul> +1 to what Tonya is saying
<vipul> It's a whole bureacratic process
<vipul> Has to be outside the firewall
<vipul> AD privileges need to be set
Allan: Apple or Partners machines?
<vipul> Approval process for this can be complicated
<BillBug> re: Apple machines - can the software run on Darwin OS
ACTION ITEMS BIll will look at APPLE, Tonya will inquire at Partners
<BillBug> Alan: yes
<BillBug> Question: What are the hardware requirements - specifically RAM & HD storage requirements
<BillBug> I would look to get loans (long term) for an XServe or two (dual or quad Intel CoreDuo)
Action ITEMS Tonya will also inquire with Ray about continuing the HP relationship
Allan Ruttenberg - Hardware 2 discs, 10gb of RAM, 150 gb drive
ACTION ITEM - please send Tonya updated list of demo sites
<BillBug> Alan: hardware requirements (corrections) - 4 - 8 GB RAM; 2 HDs - 10 - 15k rpm, 150 GB+, SATA
Tonya: we need a 2 tier strategy,
1 is to continue for the demo, 2nd is to create sustainable
environment for future scope
... should we stabilize at HP or elsewhere
Allan Ruttenberg: eric, you mention you are writing an article, how do we ensure articles are appropriately attributed
eneumann: it's my column in this
case, will mention the participants
... should we write an article on the demo?
billbug: absolutely
<scribe> ACTION: BillBUG will start a googledoc draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/24-hcls-minutes.html#action01]
<eneumann> ACTION: BIll will look at APPLE, Tonya will inquire at Partners [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/24-hcls-minutes.html#action02]
<eneumann> ACTION: Alan please send Tonya updated list of demo sites [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/24-hcls-minutes.html#action03]
eneumann: BANFF workshop well attended, 60 people, with panel discussion, it was fun
Vipul: conclusion at panel, it's ready for use but more work to be done
eneumann: we need to show
accumulation of knowledge over time, hope to show at next
gathering these kinds of these things, not just working with
packages of data, but also networks of people
... we need to pursue metadata contracts on the nature of the
data, what must stay constant, also who owns the URIs for NCBI?
who owns the Entrez Gene record? We need to focus on this for
future calls
BillBug: there is a groundswell from the OBO side of things
eneumann: Each of the working groups needs to finish writing up what they have learned by November, BioRDF can write up the demo, BioOnt, Vipul?
Vipul: we can write a report on what we learned about all these ontology development projects, how do we incorporate uncertainty into ontologies, we'll kickstart a task on collaborating with Stan Huff on clinical models that span EMR and Clinical Trials for observation capture
<scribe> ACTION: Eneumann will report on the clinical trials workshop [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/24-hcls-minutes.html#action04]
eneumann: clinical trials workshop, complex individuals, lots of conflict,
<eneumann> http://www.bioontology.org/wiki/index.php/Meetings_and_Events
vipul: Partners has kicked off information modeling project for clinical observations
eneumann: we could say that HCLS adopts NCBO's definition of ontology
vipul: we could enumerate the various definitions in our write up
<eneumann> http://www.bioontology.org/wiki/index.php/Workshop_on_Clinical_Trial_Ontology
<eneumann> NIST Onto workshop http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2007
eneumann: we'll devote a chunk of time to learning from the demo and how that reflects on the state of the ontologies
matthias: I'll will also participate
<vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/UncertaintyUseCases
Vipul: I've posted an Uncertainty Use Case for comment, it is proposed to create an ontology of uncertainty
eneumann: had lunch with Ken
Lasky, uncertainty is very different in surveillance, we need
to be clear about what we mean, there are different use cases
in life sciences from the engineering world, capturing the use
cases will be important, what are the patterns and constraints
to uncertainty,
... if we do a questionairre, why do we need this
information
matthias: does this have PR role vis a vis the skeptics, to elicit information on what people are doing in this space
we should be able to aggregate information about successes and shortcomings
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