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<Windrose> Good (quick check here) morning, Steven.
nope
afternoon for me
:-)
Ciao Alessio!
<alessio> ciao steven :)
<alessio> & ciao all
<Windrose> Ciao Alessio
Hi Lachy
We'll soon find out :-)
<Lachy> ok, I'll just watch
What would you have done other wise?
otherwise
<Lachy> I could always just ignore it
:-)
<markbirbeck> Lachy...but the problem is whether by observing an event you change that event.
<markbirbeck> :)
<Lachy> markbirbeck, how can mere observation change anything?
Heisenberg?
<markbirbeck> Ask Schrodinger...I'm just the messenger. ;)
<alessio> I'm alessio
<yamx> NRCc?
<Windrose> That'd be me ...
<scribe> Scribe: Steven
Steven: Welcome Tina! (Windrose)
... where are you located?
Tina: Stockholm at this moment
Steven: Please fill in questionnaire
... http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/32107/xhtml2-ftf-june2007/
Mark: I propose Steven as chair
sHANE: sECOND
... Second
<yamx> Yam: second
<_alessio> line is very disturbed...
Shane: I patched the xmlns issue, they liked it
and put it in!
... but there is a media type issue
... I proposed XHTML docs should be parsed as XML, regardless of the media
type
... simply because it *is* XML
... this caused some confusion
<_alessio> I agree totally
Shane: and Olivier spoke, up and agreed.
... But Hixie and someone else was up in arms, but the validator team seems
to agree.
<_alessio> I'm alessio, zakim
Tina: I agree. The mime type has nothing to do with the grammar, and the validator is checking the grammar
<ShaneM> BUG thread is at http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=1500
<Lachy> without respecting the MIME type, how do you intend to detemine if a document really is XML? Content sniffing?
Shane: I propose you should read the thread
... it is quite interesting
... My thing was just about the validator.
... Others think that there should be conformance checking as well as
validation
... No one asked me for a formal resolution on this
... but how about it?
<ShaneM> For purposes of validation, the parsing mode must be XML because XHTML *is* XML, and our DTDs are XML DTDs.
Steven: Anybody object?
RESOLUTION: For purposes of validation, the parsing mode must be XML because XHTML *is* XML, and our DTDs are XML DTDs. (regardless of media type)
<Lachy> but text/html is not defined for content that requires XML processing. Content using that MIME type should (officially, according to HTML4) be SGML
Lachy, as chair, I have to tell you that you are not a member of the WG, and therefore we are obliged not to take your comments into account during WG meeting. You are free however to send comments to the list.
The XHTML2 WG is different from teh HTML WG where anyone may join.
Shane: We have this thing on the charter, and
we know what it is called and what it is for. I just want to make sure we
agree what it is about
... we are taking the access module from XHTML2 and making it into a module
to be used with M12N
... for use with other modularised languages
... We have a driver for XHTML+RDFa, plus role
... if we add access, is that what we have been referring to as XHTML 1.2?
Mark: All that I meant was XHTML 1.1+ stuff; this sounds as good as any
Shane: Note that access won't work in existing
UAs
... but I still think the accessibility community want it
Mark: By standardising on hooks like this, it does allow UAs to have something eventually
Shane: What happens with IE if it finds an access element in the head?
Mark: Nothing earth shattering
<_alessio> some blind people associations say accesskeys are not so useful
Mark: is it an empty element?
Shane: Yes
<_alessio> it's an open question because of user agents response
Mark: That's good
... then it doesn't cause any problem
Shane: Can I ask you to check it in the popular
browsers?
... If access shows up in the DOM, then there is no reason to exclude it.
... and enabling technologies can hook in to it
... (I wish Rich were here)
... This helps me structure the module. I'd welcome a volunteer to help me
put it together.
... you don't have to volunteer now, but think about it
Tina: Since my primary focus is accessibility, once I'm up to speed, I'd be happy to help
Alessio: I'd be happy to help with testing
<ShaneM> Current access module in XHTML 2 is at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml2-20070402/mod-access.html#s_accessmodule
<scribe> ACTION: Alessio to test 'popular' browsers on whether an access element in the head of a document turns up in the DOM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-xhtml-minutes.html#action01]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007AprJun/0014
Typos
Steven: We say thankyou; he's wrong on the second point
re: OLStyle should be enumeration? LIStyle should be union
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007AprJun/0013
<scribe> ACTION: Steven to check Shane's schema comments [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-xhtml-minutes.html#action02]
Shane: In this case, Mimasa produced a non-normative schema, and he just mirrored the DTD
<ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/SCHEMA/xhtml-list-1.xsd
Steven: Do we use an enumeration in M12NS?
Shane: Pretty sure we don't
... oh wait, it's not even *inI M12N!
... It's presentational; we leave it to CSS
<ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml-modularization-20070404/abstract_modules.html#s_listmodule
Shane: Yeah, they only take Common
<ShaneM> We don't support that attribute in M12N 1.1.... maybe in Legacy?
[curie] CURIE Syntax 1.0 - smtp: ?
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007AprJun/0011
Shane: We do support it in legacy modules, but
it is just CDATA
... He's right; we'll fix it
xml: space declarated twice in SVG 1.1 and XHTML+MathML+SVG flat DTD
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2007AprJun/0010
Shane: This has nothing to do with us; it is
only the SVG bit that is in error
... Basic Transition?
Steven: I'm meeting with Steve next week, and we will put our agendas again
Shane: And M12N?
... Oh yes! We're gated on the Schema group comments
Steven: My action item
... will do it
Shane: Mark, will you test the changes that are a result of the Schema WG suggestions?
Mark: Yes. Let's do this offline.
<ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts page
<scribe> ACTION: Steven to send pointers to additions for Drafts page (RDFa stuff) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/05/02-xhtml-minutes.html#action03]
Shane: The drafts page should work in IE now
<ShaneM> redirects to here.... http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/Overview.html
Steven: Call next week? Mark and I will be in Banff for WWW2007, but I should be able to make it
Mark: Regrets from me, I shall be travelling
Steven: We'll have the call
<_alessio> ok
<Windrose> I should be able to make it.
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