IRC log of ws-desc on 2007-04-26

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14:51:05 [Jonathan]
Meeting: WS Description WG telcon
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Chair: Jonathan
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WS_DescWG()11:00AM has now started
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+ +1.919.742.aaaa
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+Jonathan_Marsh
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+Plh
14:59:43 [Jonathan]
zakim, aaaa is alewis
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+alewis; got it
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+??P27
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zakim, ??p27 is me
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+TonyR; got it
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+Allen_Brookes
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+[Microsoft]
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+Gilbert_Pilz
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+JacekK
15:02:07 [Jonathan]
zakim, who's on the phone?
15:02:07 [Zakim]
On the phone I see alewis, Jonathan_Marsh, Plh, TonyR, Allen_Brookes, [Microsoft], Gilbert_Pilz, JacekK
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SCRIBE: gpilz
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ACTION ITEMS:
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TOPIC: action items
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Jonathan: some editorial action items for Phillipe
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Phillipe: All of them are closed
15:05:14 [plh]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Apr/0070.html
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Jonathan: Lets talk about "wsdl20" token for the dated versions of the schemas
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+ +7..aabb
15:06:13 [gpilz]
Phillipe: What do people want?
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Jonathan: I thought the dated versions were supposed to be stable?
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Phillipe: I'm not sure
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zakim, who is on the call?
15:06:52 [Zakim]
On the phone I see alewis, Jonathan_Marsh, Plh, TonyR, Allen_Brookes, [Microsoft], Gilbert_Pilz, JacekK, +7..aabb
15:07:02 [charlton]
zakim, aabb is charlton
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+charlton; got it
15:07:17 [gpilz]
Jonathan: It seems strange to hacve '20' in the dated versions but not the latest versions . . .
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Tony: I don't like the 'wsdl20'; I don't mind 'wsdl2'
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Phillipe: Lets drop '20' or '2' etc.
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... Just 'wsdl'
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Jonathan: That would be great
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+monica
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Tony: That would be consistent as well
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+Roberto
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RESOLUTION: Phillipe to add the above to existing action item
15:09:40 [plh]
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4431
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TOPIC: bug 4431
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Phillipe: (requests some clarification)
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TOPIC: bug 4491
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Jonathan: (describes bug)
15:12:53 [gpilz]
... It's not clear to me how critical this is going to be?
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... Thoughts?
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Phillipe: Updating the spec is the easy part; we'd have to update all the tests as well.
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Tony: I can see someone doing this for a test but not in real life
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-Allen_Brookes
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All: (back and forth on details - is this runtime behavior or something that should be described?)
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Jonathan: I'm not hearing anybody who thinks this is obviously necessary
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Tony: If its going to hold things up, sorry, its too late
15:18:35 [gpilz]
Jonathan: Yeah, but you could make the case that this is really important
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Phillipe: Tell me again what breaks if we don't have this?
15:19:06 [gpilz]
Jonathan: I'm not sure . . .
15:19:44 [gpilz]
... I don't there's anything in WSDL or anywhere else that tells you you should fault if you get a 201 back instead of a 200
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Tony: You may get a fault you hadn't thought of
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q+
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Jonathan: We could just fall back on HTTP and consider it a fault if you get a 4xx
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+ +33.2.99.63.aacc
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Phillipe: We have an in/out operation, what do we expect currently?
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All: (not sure)
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Phillipe: That's my point. If we're going to get into this, we'll end up describing everything about the HTTP layer
15:22:38 [jjm]
rrsagent, where am i?
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See http://www.w3.org/2007/04/26-ws-desc-irc#T15-22-38
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Jean-Jacques: you can have faults without bodies and you need a way to differentiate faults from normal responses
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Jean-Jacques: It seems that we don't have enough reasoning as to why we would need this feature . . .
15:27:59 [gpilz]
Jonathan: Is it worth going back to PR?
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Tony: This will be the last time we could add this for quite a while
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+??P13
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All: (discussion of schedule impacts)
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RESOLUTION: close with no action
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TOPIC: editorial issues
15:30:16 [Jonathan]
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4492
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Jonathan: 4492
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RESOLUTION: accept proposal
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TOPIC: 4493
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RESOLUTION: accept proposal
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TOPIC: review examples of WSDL 2.0 descriptions for existing HTTP
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Jonathan: (summary - no joy here)
15:36:49 [gpilz]
... Phillipe, what do you think we need to show the Director? WSDL or interaction?
15:37:05 [gpilz]
Phillipe: Both. We should at least show him the WSDL does work . .
15:38:08 [gpilz]
Jonathan & Phillipe: (discussion of logistics around getting to PR)
15:38:40 [gpilz]
Jonathan: Since we have to wait for 2 weeks anyway, should we just keep things open in case we find more typos, etc.?
15:38:48 [gpilz]
Phillipe: No objections to that . . .
15:39:00 [gpilz]
Jonathan: This also gives me time to respond to all the comments . . .
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Phillipe: The editorial actions are all done
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Jonathan: (proposes that we don't go to PR today)
15:40:30 [gpilz]
... How long between voting to go to PR and getting the PR docs published?
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Phillipe: A week (probably)
15:42:12 [gpilz]
Jonathan: Plan of record is that we will vote to go to PR in 2 weeks.
15:42:32 [gpilz]
... At that time we will need to demonstrate the use of WSDL 2.0 to describe RESTful services
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TOPIC: WSDL WG Comments on WSDL 1.1 Element Identifiers
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Charlton: (summarizes)
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Jonathan: I'll see if there is a response that I need to make . . .
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Charlton: I need to let them know whether the WG accepts these resolutions
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TOPIC: future telcons
15:46:53 [gpilz]
Jonathan: No call next week. Next call in two weeks: 2007-05-10
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-monica
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-Plh
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-??P13
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-[Microsoft]
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-Jonathan_Marsh
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-JacekK
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- +33.2.99.63.aacc
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-Roberto
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-Gilbert_Pilz
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-charlton
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-alewis
15:47:30 [Jonathan]
rrsagent, set log world
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/26-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan
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-TonyR
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WS_DescWG()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were +1.919.742.aaaa, Jonathan_Marsh, Plh, alewis, TonyR, Allen_Brookes, [Microsoft], Gilbert_Pilz, JacekK, +7..aabb, charlton, monica, Roberto, +33.2.99.63.aacc
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zakim, bye
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