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14:00:56 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
14:00:59 <Zakim> +Felix
14:01:18 <r007a> zakim, dial richard please
14:01:25 <Zakim> ok, r007a; the call is being made
14:01:29 <Zakim> +Richard
14:01:37 <Zakim> +Michael_Monaghan
14:02:02 <r007a> zakim, who's here ?
14:02:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Felix, Richard, Michael_Monaghan
14:02:13 <Zakim> +??P22
14:02:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see MickM, fsasaki, RRSAgent, Zakim, r007a, DavidClarke
14:02:34 <r007a> zakim, ??P22 is David
14:02:41 <Zakim> +David; got it
14:02:51 <Zakim> +Greg_Aaron
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14:04:34 <r007a> Meeting: I18n Core telecon
14:04:34 <r007a> Chair: Richard Ishida
14:04:58 <r007a> Regrets: Ienup, Vijay, Karunesh, Tom
14:05:07 <r007a> Scribe: Michael
14:06:41 <MickM> "What is Encoding" - Daivid will plagiarize some images, simplify article, less theoretical
14:07:00 <r007a> ACTION: David, look at What is encoding, and why should I http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding and determine what needs to be done to move to next stage [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action09] DONE
14:07:31 <MickM> David open to suggestions on the "What is Encoding" article.
14:08:26 <r007a> ACTION: David, redraft What is encoding, and why should I http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoEncoding for 1st May
14:08:48 <r007a> ACTION: RI, move Tagging text with no language information to HTML http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoNoLanguageTag recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action08] DONE
14:09:40 <MickM> RI recieved lots of feedback on the 'geoNoLanguageTag' article. Needs to parse feedback etc.
14:09:55 <r007a> ACTION: RI, publish What should I consider wrt moving to UTF-8? http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.html [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action11] PENDING
14:10:16 <r007a> ACTION: Richard, consider a F2F since it has been awhile. Before or at same time as plenary? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action13] PENDING
14:10:49 <r007a> ACTION: Richard, OK to link to http://people.w3.org/rishida/utils/subtags/ recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action12] DONE
14:11:27 <MickM> RI's 'subtag' page receiving some traffic
14:11:45 <r007a> ACTION: All, look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0030.html and send feedback by email for next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action01] CLOSED
14:12:25 <r007a> ACTION: All, review Tagging text with no language information http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoNoLanguageTag for next week [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action02] CLOSED
14:12:41 <r007a> ACTION: Felix to look at EARL Schema and see if a review is necessary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action03] DONE
14:13:26 <MickM> Felix looked at EARL schema - thinks no need for additional review.
14:13:44 <r007a> ACTION: Felix to look at SPARQL and see if an i18n review is necessary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/10-core-minutes.html#action04] DONE
14:13:46 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-langMatches
14:14:15 <MickM> Felix looked at SPARQL - one comment - need to discuss one para - pasted above
14:14:15 <r007a> Topic: Info Share
14:14:28 <GregAaron> nothing to report
14:14:38 <r007a> Language Declaration Best Practices
14:14:38 <r007a> 	PUBLISHED !
14:14:38 <r007a> 	http://www.w3.org/TR/i18n-html-tech-lang/
14:14:55 <fsasaki> congrats!
14:15:00 <GregAaron> well done
14:15:02 <MickM> RI's Info Share: lang declaration BP published as WG note
14:15:13 <r007a> Updated pipeline page
14:15:13 <r007a> 	http://www.w3.org/International/core/pipeline
14:15:33 <MickM> RI updated the 'pipeline' page - to bring it in line with rest of iste.
14:15:36 <r007a> Subtag search tool linked to from various places
14:15:36 <r007a> 	http://people.w3.org/rishida/utils/subtags/
14:15:38 <r007a> Subtag search tool linked to from various places
14:15:38 <r007a> 	http://people.w3.org/rishida/utils/subtags/
14:15:43 <r007a> Subtag search tool linked to from various places
14:15:43 <r007a> 	http://people.w3.org/rishida/utils/subtags/
14:16:39 <r007a> Topic: Core homework page
14:16:39 <r007a> 	http://esw.w3.org/topic/coreHomework
14:16:39 <r007a> 	Would it be useful to keep this up?
14:17:25 <MickM> Core Homework Page -lists some tasks awaiting attention. Should this page be maintained?
14:18:01 <fsasaki> q+
14:18:57 <MickM> MM - More useful than agenda. Agenda arrives too late.
14:20:57 <MickM> Felix - agrees that Core homework page a good idea. Little worried about additional workload
14:21:54 <MickM> RI - yes it's more work, BUT! - might be the diff between having participants read material before mtg or not
14:22:37 <Zakim> +??P9
14:22:45 <MickM> RI - might create agenda in wiki
14:23:10 <MickM> All - please send additional agenda requests via email to RI
14:24:03 <MickM> DC: adding to wiki - reasonable to allow edit-all?
14:24:13 <MickM> RI - yes. Would be fine.
14:24:54 <r007a> Topic: What should I consider wrt moving to UTF-8?
14:24:54 <r007a> 	http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.en.php
14:24:54 <r007a> 	Comments found.  Who can review comments and suggest next steps?
14:26:03 <MickM> "Moving to UTF-8" article. RI went to move to published last week. - but realized there were some comments outstanding.
14:26:11 <MickM> Andrew will parse these comments
14:26:42 <r007a> ACTION: Andrew, read comments for What should I consider wrt moving to UTF-8? 	http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-utf8-upgrade.en.php and seek resolutions and propose necessary edits
14:27:36 <r007a> ri, remove xforms from radar
14:28:08 <r007a> Topic: xml schema comments
14:28:08 <r007a> 	http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0030.html
14:28:08 <r007a> 	Any thoughts?
14:28:59 <MickM> "XML Schema Comments" - summarized by Felix
14:29:11 <MickM> Felix - drafteed new comments based on old
14:29:33 <MickM> Felix  - 2 new comments. 1 - allow i18n related markup in schemas
14:30:06 <MickM> ITS now available - wasn't before.
14:30:40 <MickM> 2. Dates in say French representaiton. When comment first made - not much available to create locale specific data rep.
14:30:50 <MickM> Now CLDR available
14:31:32 <MickM> Felix: Would be good to have such a mechanism in XML Schema 1.1
14:32:25 <fsasaki> would propose a mechanism to use instead of "2007-03-27" (current date data type) the following : "2007年3月27日"
14:33:51 <MickM> RI - we currently get the En representation - since it's an ISO format
14:34:23 <MickM> Currently XML SChema only allows locale non-specific date/time format
14:35:19 <MickM> RI - Q: One country can have several date/time format variations. Is Felix recommending one format per country, or that it conform to a general format?
14:38:47 <GregAaron> Yes, one country can have variants.  Certain sections of the US, for example.
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14:39:29 <DavidClarke> Currently only ISO format is allowable
14:40:12 <DavidClarke> Felix suggests that data types could be defined for each new locale
14:40:35 <DavidClarke> and the data source. e.g. CLDR
14:41:05 <DavidClarke> Which is similar to ISO notion of date and time
14:41:49 <DavidClarke> RI suggests that specifying a CLDR locale ID which could then be used for validation
14:42:38 <DavidClarke> which gives automatic extensibility via a CLDR data type
14:43:40 <DavidClarke> e.g. using this in 5 languages, but extend the XML document to include data eith the CLDR id
14:44:34 <DavidClarke> Felix suggests that there needs to be a schema entry to say that a field is a a CLDR compatible field.
14:45:18 <DavidClarke> XML schema gives lexical representation and value representation
14:45:56 <DavidClarke> this would enable mapping lexical representation of data type to local indementant form in XML schema processor
14:46:19 <DavidClarke> at present both have a 1 to 1 (ISO to ISO)
14:46:59 <DavidClarke> Felix wants option to provide Lexical to ISO mapping for content creators
14:47:53 <DavidClarke> Felix would like this mechanism to be defined. e.g. as a schema annotation 
14:49:27 <DavidClarke> Felix prepared to start with it as a private query to XML schema WG
14:49:56 <DavidClarke> RI suggests taking it forwards in the way that the no language tag was handled
14:50:39 <DavidClarke> Felix is preparing a detailed paper on the subject, but it is not ready for circulation yet
14:51:16 <DavidClarke> RI can we collect this info in a centralised location?
14:52:15 <DavidClarke> Felix suggests that starting it as private and then adding paper when it is ready
14:52:47 <r007a> ACTION: Felix, send private email to XML SChema to discuss point 2 in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2007Mar/0030.html and look at creating a page describing the proposal later
14:54:33 <DavidClarke> RI invites all to look  at EMMA regarding i18n
14:54:50 <r007a> Topic: SPARQL review
14:54:53 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-langMatches
14:55:28 <fsasaki> Returns true if language-range (second argument) matches language-tag (first argument) per Matching of Language Tags [RFC4647] section 2.1. RFC4647 defines a case-insensitive, hierarchical matching algorithm which operates on ISO-defined subtags for language and country codes, and user defined subtags. In SPARQL, a language-range of "*" matches any non-empty language-tag string.
14:56:48 <DavidClarke> Felix: suggest BCP47 reference needed
14:58:13 <DavidClarke> Felix: proposes dropping second sentence as RFC4647 does not specify this, and RFC4647 does not operate ISO defined subtags
14:58:19 <GregAaron> logging off for another meeting; see you next time.
14:58:25 <Zakim> -Greg_Aaron
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14:59:04 <DavidClarke> RI : Should say operates on languages defined in the subtag registry
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15:00:10 <DavidClarke> Felix: This is the only area that still seems relevant to i18n
15:01:04 <Zakim> -David
15:02:02 <Zakim> -Michael_Monaghan
15:02:04 <Zakim> -Felix
15:02:05 <Zakim> -Andrew
15:02:10 <Zakim> -Richard
15:02:12 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
15:02:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix, Richard, Michael_Monaghan, David, Greg_Aaron, Andrew
15:03:12 <r007a> ACTION: Felix, send comments we discussed to SPARQL folks (http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-rdf-sparql-query-20070326/#func-langMatches)
15:04:24 <r007a> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:04:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html r007a
15:08:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/04/17-core-minutes.html fsasaki