See also: IRC log, previous 2007-04-11
<Steven> hi mark
<Simone> Zakim ??P0 is me
<scribe> ScribeNick: mhausenblas
Ben: Any additions to the agenda?
No
<scribe> ACTION: [NEW] Ben to update issues list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action13] [DONE]
<scribe> ACTION: [NEW] Michael to update Fabian's XSLT [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/11-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [DONE]
Fabien has actually done the work !
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben start a list of RDF/XML features that are not supported by RDFa [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/23-swd-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to add issue to issues list and start discussion with previous reference and issue reference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/02-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [DONE]
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Ben to take a look at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2006Jun/0001.html to see if issue has been resolved [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/12-rdfa-minutes.html#action17] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Elias to look for cases where plain literal is more of a common use. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action24] [DROPPED]
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Elias to send email to list with use case from IBM [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/04-htmltf-minutes.html#action10] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Mark produce more examples of applicability of n-ary relations from IPTC documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/23-htmltf-minutes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] MarkB to work rdf:label back into RDFa syntax when using @content [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/19-rdfa-minutes.html#action25] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Steven to put together sample XHTML2 doc with all mime type, etc. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-htmltf-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
<scribe> ACTION: [PENDING] Wing add a property to the test case schema for tracking origin and approval of an individual test [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] [CONTINUES]
<Steven> scribe: Steven
<mhausenblas> TC
mh: This is the test case
index
... we are using SPARQL as reference
... tests cover new tests like the one introduced by
Fabien
... there are some tests still pending from the primer, mailing
lists, etc
:-)
mh: How do we plan to approve them?
Ben: We should all approve all
the tests, so we have a record that these are a[pproved test
cases
... Have people looked at them all?
... I'd like to approve a few of them
... and slowly catch up
Steven: I've never heard of
groups agreeing test cases before.
... Usually problems occur and then issues get discussed
<mhausenblas> GRDDL test
mh: The GRDDL test cases were approved individually
Steven: Schema has O(10000) tests
Fabien: For GRDDL, sets of tests were approved after running through implementations
Shane: The tests are expressed as XHTML 1.1, which is fine, but they are not legal XHTML 1.1
Ben: Good point
mh: Let's do the approval based
on the partitioning
... across languages
<mhausenblas> Human readable form TC
Steven: I think Shane was
suuggesting using the XHTML+RDFa DTD
... and make sure the files are valid
<ShaneM> Yes, and in the context of HTML 4 perhaps use the sample HTML 4 DTD I put together
mh: We are working on the partitioning, so let's wait till next week
Ben: Go ahead with the
partitioning, then freeze them, and email the current
implementors
... (me, Fabien, Elias), and then let them test, and send any
problems
... and use that as basis for the approval
<benadida> ACTION: MichaelH to do partitioning of TCs, freeze the XHTML1.1+RDFa, and invite implementors to comment. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]
(Above URL doesn't work in all browsers apparently)
<scribe> Scribe: Michael
<scribe> scribenick: mhausenblas
-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule Schedule
Ben: Moving to west cost
... will update the TF about new meeting scheduling (poll)
<Steven> Steven: regrets for the 30th April
Ben: next week call as usual, week after not here
<Steven> ... Queen's Day (if you know what that means, then you know what that means....)
Ben: We are making progress
... but still behind
<Steven> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/RDFa#RDFa_schedule
Ben: We got comments on UC from
Fabien
... rec-track: need last call for all documents?
Fabien: In GRDDL, for Primer we made LC
Steven: For normative stuff as
Syntax absolutely necessary
... but no rec track for non-normative things
Fabien: In GRDDL we had a vote on the according docs
<benadida> ack +
<Steven> What do we see as the advantage of rec track on a primer??
Michael: Let us go for rec track only with syntax, rest if time allows
<ShaneM> Does the primer have a short name already?
<benadida> ACTION: Ben to discuss Primer and Use Cases as Note, Syntax and Test Cases as REC, at SWD WG meeting [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
<benadida> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-primer/
Michael: Please add -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/ RDFa Overview
<benadida> ACTION: Ben to discuss RDFa Overview as a note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]
Ben: Will discuss these issues
with the SWD on tomorrow's call
... happy that Steven is also on Syntax
<FabienG> Pointer to the pubrule checker for the note : http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules?uimode=checker_full&uri=
<benadida> ACTION: Ben to hand over rdfa syntax baton to Steven on 4/23 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]
Ben: Present the Syntax doc as a
WD to SWD WG
... Approval of first set of TC by next telecon
Michael: Ok
Ben: Michael, push the TC!
... Schedule Primer and UC on May 28
<ShaneM> I can review Primer and Use Cases.
Ben: I'm currently updating the Wiki to reflect the new assignments
<benadida> ACTION: Ben to flesh out the schedule and present for everyone's approval next week. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action17]
<benadida> ACTION: Ben to email list about next week's vote on a resolution regarding CLASS and ROLE attributes and rdf:type. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action18]
Michael: Please note that -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/3 role/class issue has been updated
<scribe> postponed
Shane: XHTML+XML is the media
type, but this does not deliver correctly
... no resolution, yet
... I'm ope to ideas
Ben: So, it wouldn't validate?
Shane: No, does not effect
validation
... but has effect on prefix declaration
Ben: So, the validator does not accept the xmlns prefixes
Steven: Depends on SGML or
XML
... XML should accept it
... so the validator should not complain
... currently: SGML/DTD validation
Shane: There is no XHTML 1.1 XSD, but an XML-DTD
-> http://www.w3.org/QA/2007/04/validator_080_upgrade_notes.html Validator upgrade notes
Steven: The update is in the
pipeline
... XHTML M12N comes out, then schema follows
<benadida> ACTION: Ben to ask W3C about XML-DTD validation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action19]
Steven: Two issues, validator and processors (user agents)
<ShaneM> The Media Type is an announcement mechanism that tells a user agent what processing engine to use, in theory.
<ShaneM> XHTML 1.1 mandates the use of application/xhtml+xml - which IE does not grok
Ben: We have to sort out things and figure out the problems
Steven: There are some tricks to convince IE to do it right
Ben: Should we actually recommend a specific way?
<ShaneM> the media type associated with documents annotated with RDFa should be the media type of the host language.
+1
<benadida> RESOLUTION: the media type associated with documents annotated with RDFa should be the media type of the host language.
<benadida> to be voted on next week
<benadida> ACTION: Ben to email the resolution on mime type to the mailing list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/16-rdfa-minutes.html#action20]
Ben: Any AOB?
... beside @src
... will be done next week
<Simone> bye!