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13:56:29 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS Working Group
13:56:33 <fsasaki> chair: Yves
13:56:34 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
13:56:41 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
13:57:03 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0139.html
13:57:08 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
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14:00:54 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
14:01:01 <Zakim> +Yves_Savourel
14:01:12 <fsasaki> move the text "1.1.1 Typical
14:01:13 <fsasaki> Problems" inside the <a> element that occurs just before it. is not so easy in XSLT :( , but I'll try later
14:01:16 <Zakim> + +0186528aaaa
14:01:21 <fsasaki> (wrong channel :(
14:01:40 <Zakim> +Felix
14:01:56 <Zakim> + +7.476.70.aabb
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14:02:13 <fsasaki> zakim, 0186528aaaa is Sebastian
14:02:13 <Zakim> sorry, fsasaki, I do not recognize a party named '0186528aaaa'
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14:02:19 <fsasaki> zakim, +0186528aaaa is Sebastian
14:02:26 <Zakim> +Sebastian; got it
14:02:34 <fsasaki> zakim, aaab is Sebastian
14:02:34 <Zakim> sorry, fsasaki, I do not recognize a party named 'aaab'
14:02:40 <YvesS> zakim, who is here?
14:02:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Yves_Savourel, Sebastian, Felix, +7.476.70.aabb
14:02:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see chriLi, rahtz, Jirka, YvesS, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
14:02:48 <fsasaki> zakim, +7 is Jirka
14:02:48 <Zakim> +Jirka; got it
14:03:02 <YvesS> zakim, who is here?
14:03:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Yves_Savourel, Sebastian, Felix, Jirka
14:03:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see chriLi, rahtz, Jirka, YvesS, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
14:03:06 <Zakim> +??P14
14:03:21 <fsasaki> zakim, +?? is Christian
14:03:21 <Zakim> sorry, fsasaki, I do not recognize a party named '+??'
14:03:27 <fsasaki> zakim, +14 is Christian
14:03:27 <Zakim> sorry, fsasaki, I do not recognize a party named '+14'
14:03:32 <YvesS> zakim, who is here?
14:03:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Yves_Savourel, Sebastian, Felix, Jirka, ??P14
14:03:32 <fsasaki> zakim, 14 is Christian
14:03:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see chriLi, rahtz, Jirka, YvesS, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
14:03:36 <Zakim> sorry, fsasaki, I do not recognize a party named '14'
14:03:48 <fsasaki> zakim, +??P14 is Christian
14:03:48 <Zakim> sorry, fsasaki, I do not recognize a party named '+??P14'
14:03:58 <fsasaki> zakim, ??P14 is Christian
14:03:58 <Zakim> +Christian; got it
14:04:30 <fsasaki> topic: action items
14:04:49 <fsasaki> action: Everybody to provide information about presentations on ITS (PENDING)
14:05:02 <fsasaki> Yves: if you have anything that is public, send me the material and we will build that page
14:05:08 <fsasaki> s/PENDING/ONGOING/
14:05:21 <fsasaki> action: Felix to check how to make testimonies for the press release (DONE)
14:07:21 <fsasaki> Felix probably no testimonies but "only" a press release
14:18:52 <fsasaki> action: Yves to post a note about break next week (DONE)
14:19:08 <fsasaki> topic: Proposed Recommendation
14:19:19 <fsasaki> comments at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0138.html
14:20:44 <fsasaki> changes at http://localhost/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html
14:21:57 <fsasaki> s/localhost/www.w3.org/
14:22:34 <fsasaki> Sebastian: the change about the loanword is interesting
14:22:58 <fsasaki> .. working around it by not using loan words is fine, but the problem might not be solved
14:23:10 <fsasaki> Yves: depends on the approach you take with loan words
14:23:59 <fsasaki> Sebastian: in practice you would make a decision with some ITS markup to put around such words
14:24:16 <fsasaki> .. you could add translation information and a note
14:24:38 <fsasaki> Yves: yes. It has also to do with the process you are applying
14:26:23 <fsasaki> Sebastian: would be good to have such an example with loan word problems
14:26:51 <fsasaki> Felix: we can have it in the BP document, that would also be fine with the commentor
14:27:44 <fsasaki> action: Yves and Felix to create an example related to loan words for the BP document
14:27:59 <fsasaki> Yves: it is important to point out the type of process you are doing
14:28:11 <fsasaki> .. everybody fine with the new examples in the tagset draft?
14:28:34 <fsasaki> .. over changes were typo corrections etc.
14:29:44 <fsasaki> Felix: styling problem in examples is fixed as well
14:30:54 <fsasaki> Sebastian: back to the new examples: if you put in some English names into the directories?
14:30:56 <fsasaki> \Zebulon\src\bin
14:31:14 <rahtz> \Zebulon\Current Source\binatryu
14:31:17 <rahtz> binary
14:31:34 <fsasaki> \Zebulon\Current Source\binary
14:31:45 <rahtz> cmd -> Build.bat
14:32:18 <fsasaki> instead of ReBuildAll.bat
14:32:52 <fsasaki> Felix: agreement on \Zebulon\Current Source\binary and Build.bat , I'm making the changes on the fly
14:33:11 <YvesS> example theterm element 
14:34:29 <fsasaki> topic: vote on going to rec
14:34:43 <fsasaki> Yves: everybody fine with the changes and publishing as it is?
14:35:08 <fsasaki> Felix: agree
14:35:11 <fsasaki> Sebastian: agree
14:35:24 <fsasaki> Jirka: agree
14:35:28 <fsasaki> Christian: agree
14:35:38 <fsasaki> Yves: agree
14:36:20 <fsasaki> RESOLUTION: WG agrees to vote for transition to REC
14:37:18 <fsasaki> topic: Best Practices Working Draft
14:37:26 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html
14:37:46 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#AuthLang
14:37:50 <fsasaki> BP no 15
14:38:24 <fsasaki> Yves: Richard wanted to make sure that we talk about legacy data
14:38:35 <fsasaki> .. Martin said we should make clear that xml:lang is the thing to use
14:38:42 <YvesS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0112.html
14:38:50 <fsasaki> (comments from Richard)
14:40:01 <fsasaki> Yves: we can change the language in the example
14:40:14 <fsasaki> Sebastian: you need a long example to justify the sub language
14:40:17 <fsasaki> Yves: yes
14:40:42 <fsasaki> .. Richard talked also about voice browsers
14:41:03 <rahtz> http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_jaws.asp
14:42:07 <rahtz> http://www.w3.org/Voice/
14:43:07 <fsasaki> Yves: we can have the example of voice browsers, that's fine
14:43:30 <fsasaki> .. don't see a problem with his comments
14:45:22 <fsasaki> .. regarding the organization of the material: Richard proposed some alignment with GEO style
14:45:44 <fsasaki> .. not sure if that works with our document since the different parts are more connected, there are not just single "BP"
14:48:57 <fsasaki> Yves: we can try to restructure the sections which are nearly complete
14:49:32 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/PR-mobile-bp-20061102/
14:49:33 <chriLi> http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp
14:50:55 <fsasaki> Christian: these are also examples of BP, we might look at them
14:51:22 <fsasaki> action: Yves to try a restructering of existing examples and how to put highlights and find a pattern
14:51:35 <fsasaki> action: Felix to find old discussion on MBWP structuring
14:51:54 <fsasaki> topic: Next face-to-face meeting
14:52:09 <fsasaki> Yves: meeting will be in Paris, 14-15 of May
14:52:12 <fsasaki> .. who will come?
14:52:49 <fsasaki> Yves, possibly Sebastian, Christian, Jirka, Felix
14:53:39 <fsasaki> Richard will come as well
14:54:21 <fsasaki> logistics page is at http://www.w3.org/International/its/ftf-200705-Paris.html
14:55:08 <fsasaki> topic: Other business
14:55:27 <fsasaki> Yves: please be aware of time difference change next week for Europe
14:55:36 <fsasaki> Christian: liaison to XLIFF
14:55:50 <fsasaki> .. TC is struggling to have a ballot for an OASIS standard
14:56:05 <fsasaki> .. one interesting discussion: question whether XLIFF should be submitted to ISO
14:57:16 <fsasaki> Felix: have they thought of W3C?
14:57:22 <fsasaki> Christian: don't know
14:58:02 <fsasaki> .. not sure why we need an ISO standard
14:58:46 <fsasaki> Yves: MLIF is a maybe related effort from ISO
14:59:09 <fsasaki> see also http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2006Jul/att-0011/Some_general_remarks_about_Timed_Text.pdf
15:00:26 <Zakim> -Sebastian
15:00:27 <Zakim> -Jirka
15:00:28 <Zakim> -Yves_Savourel
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15:00:34 <Zakim> -Felix
15:00:37 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:00:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
15:05:38 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Christian, in I18N_TS()10:00AM
15:05:40 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
15:05:41 <Zakim> Attendees were Yves_Savourel, Felix, +7.476.70.aabb, Sebastian, Jirka, Christian
15:08:36 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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15:08:39 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
15:08:39 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-i18nits-actions.rdf :
15:08:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Everybody to provide information about presentations on ITS (PENDING) [1]
15:08:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-i18nits-irc#T14-04-49
15:08:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to check how to make testimonies for the press release (DONE) [2]
15:08:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-i18nits-irc#T14-05-21
15:08:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to post a note about break next week (DONE) [3]
15:08:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-i18nits-irc#T14-18-52
15:08:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves and Felix to create an example related to loan words for the BP document [4]
15:08:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-i18nits-irc#T14-27-44
15:08:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to try a restructering of existing examples and how to put highlights and find a pattern [5]
15:08:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-i18nits-irc#T14-51-22
15:08:39 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to find old discussion on MBWP structuring [6]
15:08:39 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/03/21-i18nits-irc#T14-51-35
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