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15:03:59 <HarryH> zakim, this is grddl
15:03:59 <Zakim> HarryH, this was already SW_GRDDL()11:00AM
15:04:00 <Zakim> ok, HarryH; that matches SW_GRDDL()11:00AM
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15:04:07 <HarryH> Meeting: GRDDL Working Group
15:04:21 <HarryH> Chair: HarryH
15:04:26 <HarryH> Scribe: Chime
15:04:34 <HarryH> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
15:04:41 <HarryH> zakim, read agenda from http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/weekly-agenda
15:04:41 <Zakim> working on it, HarryH
15:04:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:04:49 <briansuda> Zakim, +IPcaller is briansuda
15:04:49 <Zakim> sorry, briansuda, I do not recognize a party named '+IPcaller'
15:04:51 <Zakim> done reading agenda, HarryH
15:04:53 <Zakim> +??P21
15:04:59 <briansuda> Zakim, [IPcaller] is briansuda
15:04:59 <Zakim> +briansuda; got it
15:05:03 <jjc> Zakim, ??P21 is me
15:05:03 <Zakim> +jjc; got it
15:05:17 <HarryH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:05:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see FabienG, john-l, rreck, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, briansuda, jjc
15:06:19 <HarryH> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:06:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see FabienG, john-l, rreck, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, briansuda, jjc
15:06:42 <HarryH> regets: Simone
15:06:56 <HarryH> PROPOSED: to approve GRDDL WG Weekly -- 7 March 2007 as a true record
15:07:05 <HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2007/02/28-grddl-wg-minutes.html
15:07:37 <HarryH> RESOLVED:  GRDDL WG Weekly -- 7 March 2007 as a true record
15:07:44 <jjc> regrets: DanC
15:07:51 <HarryH> PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 21 March 11:00-0500. scribe volunteer?
15:08:07 <HarryH> Scribe for next meeting: Fabien
15:08:13 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:08:13 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-03-07T11:00-0500" taken up
15:08:17 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:08:17 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, HarryH
15:08:22 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:08:22 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, HarryH
15:08:27 <HarryH> I know...
15:08:30 <HarryH> Zakim, next item
15:08:30 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, HarryH
15:08:33 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 2
15:08:33 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Patent Policy" taken up
15:09:41 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH contact AC Reps directly about form if not filled out by next Tuesday.
15:10:42 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 3
15:10:42 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Advocating" taken up
15:11:33 <HarryH> Why aren't there more comments on the spec?
15:11:49 <chimezie> It covers alot of ground
15:11:53 <chimezie> a *bit* intimidating..
15:11:58 <jjc> LC comments come on the last day!
15:12:00 <rreck> i concur
15:12:14 <HarryH> I assume we're getting lots of implementers..
15:12:25 <HarryH> Which is the audience of the spec.
15:12:33 <HarryH> And they have been following since working draft.
15:12:46 <HarryH> However, it would be good to do better outreach to the microformat community?
15:12:56 <chimezie> is everyone on irc on the phone?
15:13:06 <john-l> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:13:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see FabienG, john-l, rreck, HarryH, Chimezie_Ogbuji, briansuda, jjc
15:13:48 <chimezie> does the primer cover some of that advocacy?
15:14:08 <jjc> As long as we are happy that there are implementers, and that they are reading the spec
15:14:16 <jjc> then everything is OK for this one
15:14:22 <jjc> Primer audience may be wider
15:14:40 <jjc> Last Call comments are made by unhappy people
15:14:46 <Zakim> -HarryH
15:14:47 <chimezie> yes... 
15:15:20 <HarryH> OK, then maybe save big push on GRDDL for deployment till we get primer a bit more well sorted...
15:15:22 <jjc> which WG have we asked to review?
15:15:46 <chimezie> im not sure if we've asked any for review specifically
15:15:48 <HarryH> Quite a few informally, almost none formally.
15:15:57 <jjc> XSLT?
15:16:00 <Zakim> +HarryH
15:16:09 <chimezie> but we have liason with SADDLE & XProc
15:16:09 <HarryH> Actually, we haven't asked XSLT
15:16:15 <HarryH> We asked XProc and Xquery
15:17:42 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 3
15:17:42 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Advocating" taken up
15:17:47 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 4
15:17:47 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Primer Document: Last Call?" taken up
15:18:44 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 5
15:18:44 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Use-Case Document: Going To Last Call?" taken up
15:19:20 <chimezie> jjc: what was decition about Primer going to rec track
15:19:38 <chimezie> HarryH: there seemed to be more votes to take it rec track, but editor has been unavailable
15:20:50 <chimezie> jjc: release a LC WD to quickly cycle up to LC if thats what we have in mind for the Primer
15:21:44 <HarryH> good plan of action to myself
15:21:45 <chimezie> jjc: wouldn't expect substantial LC comments for the primer
15:22:05 <HarryH> we've had only syntactic comments before
15:22:29 <HarryH> Zakim, oen item 6
15:22:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'oen item 6', HarryH
15:22:36 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 6
15:22:36 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Test Cases as Rec?" taken up
15:22:57 <chimezie> HarryH: usecase editor is more available but response to questionaire suggests it *shouldn't* be taken to REC
15:23:12 <chimezie> FabienG: posted a new version of the usecase document
15:23:37 <HarryH> New version
15:23:56 <FabienG> see http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc43/scenario-gallery.htm
15:25:11 <chimezie> FabienG: doesn't believe it is in critical path
15:25:23 <chimezie> FabienG: probably will play a role again for outreach
15:25:51 <chimezie> jjc: one more round of WG review for a WG Note
15:25:53 <HarryH> Reviewer volunteers?
15:26:18 <HarryH> ACTION: Jeremy to review Use-case document
15:26:32 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 6
15:26:32 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Test Cases as Rec?" taken up
15:26:42 <HarryH> Chime, you've posted a document?
15:27:12 <chimezie> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc50/grddl-tests.html
15:28:17 <chimezie> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/0087.html
15:29:02 <chimezie> jjc: critical to publish WD
15:29:14 <chimezie> jjc: need to publish 2 copies to go to PR
15:29:39 <chimezie> jjc: first WD is a placeholder
15:30:04 <chimezie> jjc: bad manners to put out a single cycle WD -> PR
15:30:33 <HarryH> How about give one more week to clean it up and then release as Working Draft?
15:30:53 <Zakim> -HarryH
15:31:04 <HarryH> And since I believe it's in critical path perhaps get another co-editor. 
15:31:22 <Zakim> +HarryH
15:31:49 <chimezie> jjc: suggests publishing WD with an ACTION on editor to address outstanding commentary
15:34:18 <chimezie> HarryH: RDF processors support turtle..
15:34:46 <chimezie> jjc: we can put it in informative text..
15:36:13 <chimezie> jjc: the main problem is where we make changes to normative sections of the specification..
15:37:27 <chimezie> will going forward with leaving the test document as is close the door on addressing #output-format LC commentary?
15:40:07 <HarryH> ACTION: Chime to address comments in test case doc and then release as WD
15:40:14 <chimezie> jjc: clean up broken text, links, etc..
15:40:44 <jjc> ^text^test
15:40:54 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 8
15:40:56 <Zakim> agendum 8. "tests for" taken up [from #issue-mt-ns]
15:41:07 <Zakim> -HarryH
15:41:37 <Zakim> +HarryH
15:42:00 <HarryH> Chime - did we get EARL output? 
15:42:52 <chimezie> could the current test harness be used to get result Jena GRDDL reader impl?
15:43:48 <john-l> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Mar/0085.html
15:44:42 <HarryH> Do we have any volunteers to fix the tests?
15:44:45 <chimezie> jjc: need someone to fix broken tests.. 
15:45:12 <chimezie> john-l's email shows how it is broken..
15:45:15 <HarryH> ACTION: jeremy to fix broken tests
15:46:26 <chimezie> jjc: clarify which tests were approved
15:48:11 <chimezie> jjc: EARL output reports will steamline the process
15:49:33 <Zakim> -HarryH
15:49:58 <HarryH> This sounds like we can skip the rest of the test-related issues on the agenda.
15:50:20 <Zakim> +HarryH
15:50:23 <chimezie> jjc: suggesting we decide how we specify multiple test outputs *after* a first WD publication
15:51:19 <HarryH> Zakim, open item 11
15:51:19 <Zakim> agendum 11. "GRDDL Spec: Last Call" taken up
15:51:51 <HarryH> ACTION: to send out  Jeremy's message in response to Eliotte Rusty Harold
15:52:45 <HarryH> Chime: Suggestions for informative text and informative rules to address Stefano.
15:53:46 <HarryH> If DanC disappears, we're not going to have co-editor for the spec?
15:54:48 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to ask DanC for permission to check edits in that get WG consensus if DanC is unavailable.
15:55:08 <HarryH> Any final comments before adjourning meeting?
15:56:04 <HarryH> Can we just put library transforms in test doc or primer?
15:56:52 <HarryH> ACTION: Chime to put library transforms in Test Doc 
15:57:04 <HarryH> ACTION: HarryH to make sure library transforms are linked from Primer.
15:58:00 <chimezie> jjc: transformation libraries are both inefficient and (broken?) in some case..
15:59:44 <jjc> jeremy to create library page
15:59:52 <jjc> jeremy to suggest changes to library transforms
16:00:25 <HarryH> ACTION: Jeremy tocreate a standalone library transform page and suggest changes to library transform
16:01:12 <Zakim> -HarryH
16:01:29 <HarryH> Are n3 rules helpful enough to put right next to normative text?
16:01:36 <chimezie> I think so
16:01:39 <jjc> no the
16:01:43 <jjc> i don't think
16:01:55 <Zakim> +HarryH
16:02:17 <HarryH> I thought it might trip implementers up but it is informative.
16:02:39 <HarryH> The decision in editor's hands.
16:02:40 <chimezie> jjc: thinks they should have been moved to an appendix
16:03:07 <HarryH> Meeting adjourned
16:03:16 <Zakim> -john-l
16:03:17 <Zakim> -briansuda
16:03:17 <Zakim> -jjc
16:03:23 <Zakim> -rreck
16:03:24 <Zakim> -FabienG
16:03:38 <HarryH> Chime?
16:03:52 <HarryH> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:03:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/03/14-grddl-wg-minutes.html HarryH
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16:07:09 <HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/primer.html#hl7
16:07:59 <HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/CDA-sample.xml
16:08:04 <chimezie> breaking up again
16:09:07 <HarryH> i can add in xml transform to sample doc
16:10:02 <HarryH> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/doc29/problem-oriented-medical-record.owl
16:13:17 <HarryH> http://purl.org/cpr/doc
16:15:19 <Zakim> -HarryH
16:15:20 <Zakim> SW_GRDDL()11:00AM has ended
16:15:21 <Zakim> Attendees were FabienG, john-l, +1.703.956.aabb, HarryH, rreck, Chimezie_Ogbuji, briansuda, jjc
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