IRC log of mmsem on 2007-02-15
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- rrsagent, bookmark
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- See http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-irc#T16-47-09
- 16:47:25 [mhausenblas]
- Zakim, what conference is this?
- 16:47:25 [Zakim]
- no conference has been selected, mhausenblas
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- zakim, list conferences
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- I see WAI_Team()10:45AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM active
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- also scheduled at this time are INC_MMSEM()12:00PM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, I18N_Core_WG(WS-I18N)11:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, SYMM_TTWG()12:00PM
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- zakim, this is INC_MMSEM()
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- mhausenblas, I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be INC_MMSEM()".
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- zakim, this will be INC_MMSEM()
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- ok, mhausenblas; I see INC_MMSEM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
- 16:49:15 [mhausenblas]
- Meeting: W3C Multimedia Semantics XG - Telecon 15-02-2007, 17:00 UTC
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Feb/0024.html
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- Chair: Raphael
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- hallo michael, hallo all
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- INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has now started
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- +mhausenblas
- 16:57:33 [alessio]
- hi raphael
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-minutes.html mhausenblas
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- + +49.861.209.aaaa
- 16:59:25 [mhausenblas]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 16:59:25 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see mhausenblas, +49.861.209.aaaa
- 16:59:37 [TobiasBuerger]
- Zakim, aaaa is me
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- +TobiasBuerger; got it
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- +??P5
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- + +0329331aabb
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- +raphael
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, ??P5, +0329331aabb, raphael
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- On IRC I see ocelma, cgi-irc, TobiasBuerger, raphael, alessio, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas
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- Present: Raphael Troncy, Alessio Cartocci, Tobias B�rger, Stamatia Dasiopoulou, Oscar Celma, Michael Hausenblas
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- zakim, aabb is Gaetan_Chris
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- +Gaetan_Chris; got it
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- +??P9
- 17:02:44 [mhausenblas]
- present+ Zeljko Obrenovic
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- +??P12
- 17:03:02 [mhausenblas]
- Regrets: Christian Halaschek-Wiener, Ioannis Pratikakis, Sofia Tsekeridou, Ovidio Salvetti, Erik Mannens, Pasquale Popolizio, Roberto Ellero, Jeff Pan, Vassilis Tzouvaras, Susanne Boll, George Anadiotis, Thomas Franz
- 17:03:07 [raphael]
- zakim, P9 is Oscar
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- sorry, raphael, I do not recognize a party named 'P9'
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- zakim, ??P9 is Oscar
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- +Oscar; got it
- 17:03:22 [mhausenblas]
- present+ Melliyal Annamalai
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- +??P13
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- zakim, ??P12 is Melli
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- +Melli; got it
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- zakim, who is here?
- 17:03:47 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, ??P5, Gaetan_Chris, raphael, Oscar, Melli, ??P13
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- On IRC I see Chris_Gaetan, Melli, zeljko, ocelma, cgi-irc, TobiasBuerger, raphael, alessio, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas
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- zakim, ??P13 is Zeljko
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- +Zeljko; got it
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- zakim, which noise
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- I don't understand 'which noise', raphael
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- zakim, which noise?
- 17:04:06 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, raphael.
- 17:04:12 [raphael]
- zakim, whos is making noise?
- 17:04:12 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, raphael.
- 17:04:17 [raphael]
- zakim, who is making noise?
- 17:04:30 [mhausenblas]
- zakim, who's talking?
- 17:04:31 [Zakim]
- raphael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 8 (14%), mhausenblas (16%), raphael (19%), Gaetan_Chris (28%), Oscar (14%), Zeljko (9%)
- 17:04:45 [Zakim]
- mhausenblas, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 8 (27%), mhausenblas (36%), raphael (14%), Gaetan_Chris (8%), Oscar (49%)
- 17:04:50 [raphael]
- zakim, mute Gaetan_Chris
- 17:04:50 [Zakim]
- Gaetan_Chris should now be muted
- 17:05:12 [raphael]
- zakim, who is here?
- 17:05:12 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see mhausenblas, TobiasBuerger, ??P5, Gaetan_Chris (muted), raphael, Oscar, Melli, Zeljko
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- On IRC I see Chris_Gaetan, Melli, zeljko, ocelma, cgi-irc, TobiasBuerger, raphael, alessio, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas
- 17:05:57 [raphael]
- zakim, ??P5 is Stamatia
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- +Stamatia; got it
- 17:06:21 [mhausenblas]
- zakim, who is cgi-irc?
- 17:06:21 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, mhausenblas.
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- ScribeNick: mhausenblas
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- Topic: 1. ADMIN
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- PROPOSED to accept the minutes of the 1st February 2007 telecon: http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html
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- +1
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- ACCEPTED
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- Poll to have a telecon next week: 22th February 2007
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- Raphael: Who can make it - we have to push the work
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- Oscar can make
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- Tobias can make it
- 17:09:10 [Chris_Gaetan]
- Chris_Gaetan can make it
- 17:09:27 [alessio]
- I can, also
- 17:09:32 [mhausenblas]
- RESOLUTION: next telecon Mar 1#
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- s/1#/1
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- Topic: 2. Semantic Web Coordination Group Telecon (09/02/2007)
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- See our slides: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/talks/SWCG2007/
- 17:09:59 [mhausenblas]
- Telecon minutes (members only): http://www.w3.org/2007/02/09-swcg-minutes.html
- 17:11:27 [mhausenblas]
- Raphael reports on the SWCG meeting
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- q+ to ask for further plans
- 17:12:09 [raphael]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules?year=2006&uimode=filter&filter=Filter+pubrules&filterValues=form&docstatus=xgr#sample-template
- 17:13:07 [mhausenblas]
- Raphael: Future of group by the two chairs
- 17:13:28 [mhausenblas]
- ... Jeff proposed to go for WG directly
- 17:13:53 [mhausenblas]
- ... Raphael thinks some further research is needed
- 17:13:59 [mhausenblas]
- ... wait one more year
- 17:14:15 [mhausenblas]
- ... SWCG ack the two versions
- 17:14:29 [mhausenblas]
- ... third scenario: split XG efforts
- 17:14:38 [mhausenblas]
- ... or IG
- 17:15:10 [mhausenblas]
- ... will discuss further when Jeff is back
- 17:15:24 [mhausenblas]
- ... still we have to find concensus
- 17:15:39 [mhausenblas]
- POLL for future of group
- 17:15:47 [raphael]
- zakim, ack michael
- 17:15:47 [Zakim]
- I see mhausenblas on the speaker queue
- 17:15:53 [raphael]
- zakim, ack mhausenblas
- 17:15:53 [Zakim]
- mhausenblas, you wanted to ask for further plans
- 17:15:54 [Zakim]
- I see no one on the speaker queue
- 17:16:23 [mhausenblas]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2004/02/Process-20040205/groups.html#good-standing
- 17:16:31 [raphael]
- michael: concern about the lot of regrets we have
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- ... uncontrolled growing
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- ... perhaps split into 2 XGs
- 17:18:30 [mhausenblas]
- Michael adds we need to keep the momentum
- 17:19:29 [raphael]
- Oscar: wait for one year doing research or go for an XG ?
- 17:19:44 [raphael]
- michael: fear to lose people during this blank year
- 17:20:04 [raphael]
- Oscar: I think it is too early
- 17:20:34 [ocelma]
- I'm up to "Raphael option": wait one year more
- 17:20:46 [mhausenblas]
- Tobias: Support both Oscar and Michael
- 17:21:11 [mhausenblas]
- ... go for another XG
- 17:21:31 [mhausenblas]
- ... taking EU research projects experienes into account
- 17:21:45 [mhausenblas]
- Stamatia: to early to go for WG
- 17:21:46 [raphael]
- Stamatia: i fully agree that it is too early
- 17:24:20 [mhausenblas]
- Melli: Need more feedback from other W3C WG
- 17:24:38 [alessio]
- yes, unfortunetly
- 17:24:44 [alessio]
- i have a proxy
- 17:25:11 [mhausenblas]
- Raphael: WG membership req about 20% time resources for this
- 17:25:15 [alessio]
- as usual on the afternoon :(
- 17:26:31 [raphael]
- Zakim, unmute Chris_Gaetan
- 17:26:32 [Zakim]
- sorry, raphael, I do not know which phone connection belongs to Chris_Gaetan
- 17:26:40 [raphael]
- Zakim, unmute Gaetan_Chris
- 17:26:40 [Zakim]
- Gaetan_Chris should no longer be muted
- 17:26:53 [mhausenblas]
- present+ Gaetan_Chris
- 17:27:38 [mhausenblas]
- Gaetan_Chris: spliting up into XG is no good option
- 17:27:51 [mhausenblas]
- ... don't wait for another year
- 17:28:34 [mhausenblas]
- ... does this XG close?
- 17:29:01 [mhausenblas]
- Raphael: Yes, this on will close on XXX
- 17:29:36 [mhausenblas]
- s/XXX/1 May 2007
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- Topic: 3. LINKS Pages
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- -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/deliverables/vocabularies.html
- 17:30:07 [raphael]
- not ready for review yet ...
- 17:30:50 [raphael]
- ... available hopefully by next Monday
- 17:31:06 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Michael to maintain the Vocabularies page see: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Vocabularies
- 17:31:16 [mhausenblas]
- -- continues
- 17:31:23 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Michael to prepare a stable TR Voc page for review by next telecon [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
- 17:31:27 [mhausenblas]
- -- continues
- 17:31:51 [raphael]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules?year=2006&uimode=filter&filter=Filter+pubrules&filterValues=form&docstatus=xgr#sample-template
- 17:32:22 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Zeljko to maintain the Resources/Tools page see: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Tools_and_Resources
- 17:32:34 [mhausenblas]
- -- continues
- 17:34:16 [mhausenblas]
- Zeljko: Restructured a lot and added stuff - all are invited to review
- 17:34:36 [mhausenblas]
- Raphael: Maybe change to tables
- 17:36:01 [mhausenblas]
- zakim, who is talking?
- 17:36:16 [Zakim]
- mhausenblas, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: mhausenblas (0%), Oscar (10%)
- 17:36:43 [mhausenblas]
- Oscar: Should contact authors of tools to get status
- 17:37:05 [raphael]
- s/Oscar/Zeljko
- 17:37:39 [ocelma]
- Well, I can contact the Audio ones. No problem, I know them!
- 17:38:10 [mhausenblas]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-minutes.html mhausenblas
- 17:39:11 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: 4. Image Annotation on the Semantic Web Deliverable
- 17:39:20 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Raphael addresses the comments on "Image Annotation on the Semantic Web document" by next telecon change the css style (XG report) change the syntax of the examples (N3) and the graphs (IsaViz) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action08]
- 17:39:23 [mhausenblas]
- -- continues
- 17:39:28 [raphael]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/XGR-image-annotation/
- 17:40:15 [mhausenblas]
- Raphael: Pub request upcoming
- 17:40:22 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: 5. Interoperability Deliverable
- 17:40:28 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: 5.1 Structure (Vassilis, Jeff)
- 17:40:36 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Vassilis update the structure of the deliverable and fill it in a XG report template, HTML document in our W3C space [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action04]
- 17:40:41 [mhausenblas]
- -- done
- 17:41:11 [mhausenblas]
- Raphael: Jeff and Vasilis will continue on the Wiki
- 17:41:26 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: 5.2 Music Use case: (Oscar)
- 17:42:14 [mhausenblas]
- Oscar: UC focuses on navigation through music space via /facet
- 17:43:23 [raphael]
- q+ on formats used
- 17:43:29 [mhausenblas]
- ... query for song and get playlist
- 17:43:36 [raphael]
- q+ to ask on formats used
- 17:44:08 [mhausenblas]
- ... work on RDF2ID3 converter
- 17:44:09 [ocelma]
- Music Ontology:
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- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Vocabularies#head-c63c0a04d77106d69e58c69bf890898a5d858ebf
- 17:44:17 [ocelma]
- http://pingthesemanticweb.com/ontology/mo/
- 17:44:44 [mhausenblas]
- Oscar: Important ontology
- 17:44:48 [mhausenblas]
- ack raphael
- 17:44:48 [Zakim]
- raphael, you wanted to ask on formats used
- 17:45:07 [mhausenblas]
- Raphael: Know the work of YYYY
- 17:45:16 [ocelma]
- facet meets foafing the music:
- 17:45:19 [raphael]
- s/YYYY/Yves_Raimond
- 17:45:20 [ocelma]
- http://slashfacet.semanticweb.org/music/facet
- 17:45:48 [mhausenblas]
- Raphael: What formats are supported?
- 17:46:37 [mhausenblas]
- Oscar: Extend basic ID3 with low-level feature concepts
- 17:46:51 [mhausenblas]
- Raphael: How about MPEG-7?
- 17:47:22 [mhausenblas]
- Oscar: Could be done with MPEG-72OWL schema converter
- 17:47:56 [mhausenblas]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 17:47:56 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-minutes.html mhausenblas
- 17:48:17 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Oscar to update the UC and the interop deliverable till 7 Feb [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action11]
- 17:48:27 [mhausenblas]
- -- continues
- 17:48:33 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Paola to provide a possible B2B scenario [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
- 17:48:37 [mhausenblas]
- -- continues
- 17:48:41 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: 5.3 News Use case: (Thierry, Chris, Raphael)
- 17:48:49 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Chris, Thierry and Raphael to update the UC and the interop deliverable till 7 Feb [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action12]
- 17:48:53 [mhausenblas]
- -- continues
- 17:49:28 [mhausenblas]
- Raphael: We have a clear idea what will be in there + additional AC
- 17:49:37 [mhausenblas]
- ... will be ready be next telecon
- 17:49:46 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: 5.4 Photo Use case: (Susanne Boll, Erik ?)
- 17:50:10 [mhausenblas]
- Raphael: They send status + I will see her next week
- 17:50:17 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Raphael to bug Susanne about status [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action13]
- 17:50:19 [mhausenblas]
- -- done
- 17:50:25 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Susanne to look again in the various systems and standards and identify 3-4 standards that together could be the solution [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
- 17:50:27 [mhausenblas]
- -- done
- 17:50:36 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Susanne to look again in the various systems and standards and identify 3-4 standards that together could be the solution [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/08-mmsem-minutes.html#action06]
- 17:50:41 [mhausenblas]
- -- continues
- 17:50:48 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: 5.5 Tagging Use case: (George, Thomas, Raphael)
- 17:50:57 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: 5.6 Algorithm representation Use case: (Massimo, Suzanne, Patrizia, Ovidio)
- 17:51:25 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Vassilis to contact Massimo to ask for next steps
- 17:51:31 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Sophia to find and send a documentation about an application toolbox where the user can select some algorithm to do feature extraction on music [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/12/09-mmsem-minutes.html#action02]
- 17:51:36 [mhausenblas]
- -- continues
- 17:51:41 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Jeff and Vassilis to review algorithm representation UC till next AC [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action19]
- 17:51:44 [mhausenblas]
- -- continues
- 17:51:49 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: 5.7 Semantic Multimedia Retrieval Use case: (Ioannis)
- 17:51:53 [raphael]
- update: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-mmsem/2007Feb/0036.html
- 17:52:08 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: 6. MPEG-7 Deliverable (10')
- 17:52:21 [raphael]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/XGR-mpeg7/
- 17:53:20 [mhausenblas]
- q+ to ask why he does not contribute to this deliverable any more :(
- 17:54:27 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION Raphael to enable CVS account for Oscar
- 17:54:30 [TobiasBuerger]
- One comment: I also might have lost my edit-rights in the WIKI...
- 17:54:53 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: To invite Chrisa as invited expert
- 17:55:06 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Raphael to enable CVS account for Oscar
- 17:55:57 [mhausenblas]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/WorkingGroup
- 17:56:45 [ocelma]
- that the content of the wiki: [wiki:TobiasBurger Tobias Bürger]
- 17:57:45 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Raphael to enable CVS account for Suzanne Little
- 17:57:54 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Raphael Stamatia to start work on MPEG-7 deliverable [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/18-mmsem-minutes.html#action16]
- 17:57:56 [mhausenblas]
- -- done
- 17:58:04 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Vassilis to contact Chrisa to find out how she can contribute w.r.t. MPEG-7 deliverable [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/01-mmsem-minutes.html#action22]
- 17:58:07 [mhausenblas]
- -- done
- 17:59:11 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Oscar, Stamatia, Raphael, Suzanne, Chrisa, Michael to have MPEG-7 deliverable ready for review by next telecon
- 17:59:33 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: 7. AOB
- 17:59:44 [mhausenblas]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 17:59:44 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/15-mmsem-minutes.html mhausenblas
- 18:00:02 [mhausenblas]
- Raphael: We have to get UC and deliverables in good shape
- 18:00:17 [Zakim]
- -Melli
- 18:00:19 [Zakim]
- -Gaetan_Chris
- 18:00:20 [Zakim]
- -Zeljko
- 18:00:20 [Zakim]
- -Oscar
- 18:00:22 [Zakim]
- -mhausenblas
- 18:00:23 [Zakim]
- -Stamatia
- 18:00:24 [Zakim]
- -TobiasBuerger
- 18:00:29 [Zakim]
- -raphael
- 18:00:30 [Zakim]
- INC_MMSEM()12:00PM has ended
- 18:00:31 [Zakim]
- Attendees were mhausenblas, +49.861.209.aaaa, TobiasBuerger, +0329331aabb, raphael, Gaetan_Chris, Oscar, Melli, Zeljko, Stamatia
- 18:00:36 [mhausenblas]
- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 18:02:13 [raphael]
- :-)
- 18:02:15 [raphael]
- bye
- 18:03:07 [alessio]
- bye
- 19:53:52 [Zakim]
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