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14:57:42 <fsasaki> zakim, this will be i18n
14:57:42 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; I see I18N_TS()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:51 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS WG
14:57:52 <fsasaki> chair: Yves
14:57:56 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
14:58:00 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
14:58:30 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0097.html
14:58:36 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log pulbic
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15:00:54 <Zakim> +Yves_Savourel
15:01:22 <Zakim> + +0186528aaaa
15:01:31 <Zakim> +Christian
15:02:08 <Zakim> + +7.476.70.aabb
15:02:10 <Zakim> +Felix
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15:02:37 <YvesS> zakim, who is there?
15:02:37 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, YvesS.
15:02:40 <YvesS> zakim, who is here?
15:02:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Yves_Savourel, +0186528aaaa, Christian, +7.476.70.aabb, Felix
15:02:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see chriLi, rahtz, Jirka, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki, YvesS
15:04:00 <fsasaki> agenda at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0097.html
15:04:04 <fsasaki> topic: action items
15:04:28 <fsasaki> action: Editors to add the paragraph on "appendix D (Schemas for ITS)" to appendix D excluding the last sentence. (DONE)
15:04:48 <fsasaki> action; Editors to make all editorial changes of proposal in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0044.html (that's the its:version vs version issue). (DONE)
15:04:58 <fsasaki> action: Editors to make all editorial changes of proposal in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0044.html (that's the its:version vs version issue). (DONE)
15:05:19 <fsasaki> action: Editors to integrate http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0061.html into the draft (that's the NVDL appendix). (DONE9
15:05:52 <fsasaki> action: Editors to make text change described in thread ending at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0058.html (DONE)
15:06:05 <fsasaki> s/DONE9/DONE/
15:06:27 <fsasaki> action: Editors to make the change on appendix E mentioned at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0052.html (That's schematron's reference)  (DONE)
15:06:41 <fsasaki> action: Felix to change the ODD definitions by copying the attributes in ITS span without a namespace (DONE)
15:06:55 <fsasaki> action: Felix to make the generation of the test report automatically (DONE)
15:07:13 <fsasaki> action: Editors to modify one paragraph saying that version attribute should not be prefixed at its:rules element. Modify the schema to reflect this. (DONE)
15:07:34 <fsasaki> action: Yes/Felix to modify the samples and the test data to reflect the version attribute change (DONE)
15:08:03 <fsasaki> action: Yves to fix all errors in test files reported by Jirka Done (DONE)
15:08:28 <fsasaki> Yves: Jirka, I'll send the files to Jirka later, can you check this week?
15:08:46 <fsasaki> Sebastian: did anybody validate the test files against the schema?
15:08:50 <fsasaki> nobody did
15:09:29 <fsasaki> action: Yves to send the test suite files to Jirka, Jirka to validate them
15:09:57 <fsasaki> action: Yves to fix example http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-locNoteRefPointer-attribute-1.xml (DONE)
15:10:22 <fsasaki> Sebastian: I have a change for one test file to do
15:10:36 <fsasaki> Yves: please commit it to CVS today, so I can send everything to Jirak
15:10:55 <fsasaki> action: Editors to go to the draft and check that there are no "CSS style elements" or the like. (DONE)
15:11:10 <fsasaki> action: Editors to implement the the change in the specification regarding precedence order wording. (DONE)
15:11:25 <fsasaki> action: Felix to provide ruby tests and their implementation (DONE)
15:12:01 <fsasaki> Yves: Felix and Sebastian came to a conclusion and generated examples, only the example on rubyPointer is different
15:12:26 <fsasaki> Sebastian: I have implemented this as well, hope to finish everything this evening
15:13:15 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/
15:13:28 <fsasaki> Sebastian: could we look at the example together?
15:13:32 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-ruby-pointer-1.xml
15:14:06 <fsasaki> Sebastian: i don't understand the following: there are two rules about <rb>, and you find ruby information
15:15:22 <fsasaki> .. but why the whole structure for <ruby?
15:16:43 <fsasaki> .. the starting point is rb, right? why do you need the rubyPointer? The rubyPointer seems to be redundant
15:17:20 <fsasaki> .. also on rtc: the rtcPointer points you to 2 nodes, is that correct?
15:17:32 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/#abstract-def
15:18:46 <fsasaki> Felix: you need the rubyPointer for the "common" attributes at <ruby>
15:19:01 <fsasaki> Sebastian: could we have an attribute at <ruby> to make this clear?
15:19:06 <fsasaki> Felix: how about xml:lang?
15:22:55 <fsasaki> Sebastian: how about the problem that several elements match the pointer attributes, e.g. rbPointer?
15:24:22 <fsasaki> Felix: two solutions: have several rubyRule elements to avoid several matched elements, or say "it's up to the application to check these dependencey"
15:24:55 <fsasaki> Yves: rubyPointer attributes will maybe not implemented too much of the ruby pointer functionality
15:27:03 <fsasaki> .. Sebastian, can you solve your implementation problems?
15:27:08 <fsasaki> Sebastian: think so
15:27:24 <fsasaki> Felix: is the output for the simple ruby ok?
15:27:36 <fsasaki> Sebastian: looks fine
15:27:46 <fsasaki> Yves: should we have a separate example with that?
15:27:51 <fsasaki> Sebastian: no, not necessary
15:28:21 <fsasaki> action: Felix to start a section on XHTML modularization for the XML i18n BP document (ONGOING)
15:28:51 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/techniques/its-techniques.html#integration-its-xhtmlmod
15:32:10 <fsasaki> Felix describes problems of the section mentioned at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0074.html
15:33:06 <fsasaki> Yves: don't see a technical problem of "should we allow ITS markup with XHTML in ITS or not", it is rather a choice
15:34:37 <fsasaki> Felix: agree. Should we go to HTML WG and ask their opinion?
15:34:48 <fsasaki> Yves: fine with me. This is not urgent, right?
15:35:19 <fsasaki> Felix: no, we can go on with the spec as is
15:36:57 <fsasaki> .. could you all give me feedback until Friday on this?
15:37:10 <fsasaki> .. so that I can go back to HTML WG?
15:37:36 <fsasaki> action: all to give feedback to Felix on the xhtmlmodularization section until Friday
15:37:42 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=ITS
15:38:28 <fsasaki> topic: preparation of the draft
15:38:52 <fsasaki> felix: we need to update the changelog so that it contains links to bugzilla entries, not only AIs. Sorry for noting that late.
15:38:58 <fsasaki> Yves: ok
15:39:42 <fsasaki> action: editors to update the changelog so that it contains links to bugzilla entries, not only AIs.
15:39:53 <fsasaki> topic: open issues
15:40:27 <fsasaki> Yves: on 3319 - can we close this?
15:40:32 <fsasaki> Felix: yes
15:40:44 <fsasaki> Yves: 4239 is an editorial fix
15:41:12 <fsasaki> Yves: so for PR we need to fix the ruby pointer test and these last bugs, that is it?
15:41:49 <fsasaki> Felix: yes
15:42:07 <fsasaki> Felix: on the time schedule I proposed, is that fine with everybody?
15:42:56 <fsasaki> (agreement)
15:44:02 <fsasaki> (on schedule described at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0076.html)
15:44:07 <fsasaki> topic: f2f
15:44:18 <fsasaki> Yves: I proposed two dates
15:45:26 <fsasaki> .. both don't work for everybody, so April seems not to work
15:47:49 <fsasaki> (discussion on meeting dates)
15:52:57 <fsasaki> Yves: preference for the week of the 14th, possibly also the week of the 28th of May
15:53:00 <fsasaki> topic: AOB
15:53:42 <fsasaki> Yves: next meeting we will vote on the transition request for PR
15:54:05 <Zakim> -Sebastian
15:54:08 <Zakim> -Yves_Savourel
15:54:14 <fsasaki> adjourned
15:54:18 <Zakim> -Jirka
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16:01:22 <Zakim> -Christian
16:01:24 <Zakim> -Felix
16:01:26 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
16:01:29 <Zakim> Attendees were Yves_Savourel, +0186528aaaa, Christian, +7.476.70.aabb, Felix, Jirka, Sebastian
16:02:04 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:02:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
16:23:13 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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16:23:16 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> I see 18 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-actions.rdf :
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Editors to add the paragraph on "appendix D (Schemas for ITS)" to appendix D excluding the last sentence. (DONE) [1]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-04-28
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Editors to make all editorial changes of proposal in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0044.html (that's the its:version vs version issue). (DONE) [2]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-04-58
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Editors to integrate http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0061.html into the draft (that's the NVDL appendix). (DONE9 [3]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-05-19
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Editors to make text change described in thread ending at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0058.html (DONE) [4]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-05-52
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Editors to make the change on appendix E mentioned at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2007JanMar/0052.html (That's schematron's reference)  (DONE) [5]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-06-27
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to change the ODD definitions by copying the attributes in ITS span without a namespace (DONE) [6]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-06-41
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to make the generation of the test report automatically (DONE) [7]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-06-55
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Editors to modify one paragraph saying that version attribute should not be prefixed at its:rules element. Modify the schema to reflect this. (DONE) [8]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-07-13
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yes/Felix to modify the samples and the test data to reflect the version attribute change (DONE) [9]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-07-34
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to fix all errors in test files reported by Jirka Done (DONE) [10]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-08-03
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to send the test suite files to Jirka, Jirka to validate them [11]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-09-29
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to fix example http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/inputdata/EX-locNoteRefPointer-attribute-1.xml (DONE) [12]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-09-57
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Editors to go to the draft and check that there are no "CSS style elements" or the like. (DONE) [13]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-10-55
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Editors to implement the the change in the specification regarding precedence order wording. (DONE) [14]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-11-10
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to provide ruby tests and their implementation (DONE) [15]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-11-25
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to start a section on XHTML modularization for the XML i18n BP document (ONGOING) [16]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-28-21
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: all to give feedback to Felix on the xhtmlmodularization section until Friday [17]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-37-36
16:23:16 <RRSAgent> ACTION: editors to update the changelog so that it contains links to bugzilla entries, not only AIs. [18]
16:23:16 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/02/07-i18nits-irc#T15-39-42
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