14:54:21 RRSAgent has joined #ws-desc 14:54:21 logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-ws-desc-irc 14:54:26 RRSAgent, set log world 14:55:43 zakim, list conferences 14:55:43 I see Math_IG()10:00AM, Team_(legal)14:07Z active 14:55:44 also scheduled at this time are DI_DIWG(dpf)10:00AM, Team_Global(review)8:00AM, WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM, MWI_BPWG()10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM 14:55:51 Zakim, this will be WSDL 14:55:53 ok, Jonathan; I see WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes 14:57:47 TonyR has joined #ws-desc 14:58:29 plh has joined #ws-desc 14:59:14 WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM has now started 14:59:16 +Plh 14:59:55 +??P6 14:59:57 -??P6 15:00:05 +??P6 15:00:11 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:00:17 On the phone I see Plh, ??P6 15:00:33 zakim, ??p6 is me 15:00:33 +TonyR; got it 15:01:20 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/test-suite/Dashboard.html 15:01:35 +Jonathan_Marsh 15:02:17 + +44.179.451.aaaa 15:02:30 zakim, aaaa is John 15:02:30 +John; got it 15:02:53 jkaputin has joined #ws-desc 15:04:47 +Arthur 15:08:14 Marsh has joined #ws-desc 15:11:12 zakim, code? 15:11:12 the conference code is 9735 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Marsh 15:11:49 +Canon 15:11:56 +Ruchith_Fernando 15:12:32 keith has joined #ws-desc 15:12:51 jjm has joined #ws-desc 15:13:03 Zakim, Ruchith is Keith 15:13:03 +Keith; got it 15:21:54 Jonathan has joined #ws-desc 15:34:15 -Arthur 15:38:38 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/test-suite/results-messages/MessageTest-4G/log-MessageTest4G-canon-canon-results.html#message1 15:42:16 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/wsdl20-adjuncts.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#_http_operation_multipart_encoding 15:42:56 "This format serializes the instance data in the HTTP message body, making it only suitable for HTTP requests using methods allowing message bodies." 15:43:48 Jonathan has joined #ws-desc 15:44:23 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl20/wsdl20-adjuncts.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#_http_operation_multipart_encoding 15:44:26 "This format serializes the instance data in the HTTP message body, making it only suitable for HTTP requests using methods allowing message bodies." 15:44:39 "In this serialization, for HTTP requests, the rules for constructing the HTTP request IRI defined in 6.7.1 Serialization of the instance data in parts of the HTTP request IRI apply if the {style} property of the Interface Operation bound has a value of "http://www.w3.org/@@@@/@@/wsdl/style/iri" as defined in 4.2 IRI Style." 15:45:49 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/test-suite/results-messages/MessageTest-2G/log-MessageTest2G-canon-canon-results.html#message17 15:48:02 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Jan/0058.html 16:01:33 monica has joined #ws-desc 16:01:59 will only be able to join today via irc - conflicts 16:02:29 zakim, list conferences 16:02:29 I see Math_IG()10:00AM, WS_DescWG(WSDL)10:00AM, MWI_BPWG()10:00AM, XML_PMWG()11:00AM, WAI_Team()10:45AM active 16:02:31 also scheduled at this time are DIG_TAMI()11:00AM, GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, WS_DescWG()11:00AM 16:02:32 -Plh 16:02:33 -John 16:02:35 -TonyR 16:02:37 -Jonathan_Marsh 16:02:41 -Canon 16:02:43 Allen has joined #ws-desc 16:02:51 zakim, this will be WS_DescWG()11:00AM 16:03:02 ok, plh; I see WS_DescWG()11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago 16:03:21 WS_DescWG()11:00AM has now started 16:03:22 +Plh 16:03:33 +Allen_Brookes 16:03:39 +??P0 16:03:46 zakim, ??p0 is me 16:03:46 +TonyR; got it 16:03:48 JacekK has joined #ws-desc 16:04:15 +John 16:04:32 +Canon 16:04:58 +Jonathan_Marsh 16:05:10 zakim, who's on the phone? 16:05:10 On the phone I see Plh, Allen_Brookes, TonyR, John, Canon, Jonathan_Marsh 16:05:34 +JacekK 16:05:46 +Roberto 16:06:10 asir has joined #ws-desc 16:07:10 +asir 16:07:55 Meeting: Web Services Description Meeting 16:07:59 Chair: Jonathan 16:08:03 Scribe: plh 16:08:11 Topic: minutes from last week 16:08:20 Minutes approved 16:08:25 Topic: Action items 16:09:36 [DONE] 2007-01-04: Charlton to come up with a list of editorial comments and WSDL substantive issues. 16:09:45 Topic: Draft comments for WS-Policy 16:09:58 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2007Jan/0071.html 16:10:24 +??P8 16:10:32 Jonathan: let's skip the editorial issues 16:10:36 zakim, P8 is Charlton 16:10:36 sorry, Jonathan, I do not recognize a party named 'P8' 16:10:39 zakim, ??P8 is Charlton 16:10:39 +Charlton; got it 16:11:40 ... let's look at number 11, policy intersection 16:12:05 -Roberto 16:12:56 Charlton: this is relevant to the client, not strictly relevant to WSDL. Don't see anything to select the intersection mode selection. 16:13:31 ... if one entity understands one mode and an other is being required by the other entity, the intersection won't occur. 16:13:53 Jonathan: so, if I would attach a policy to WSDL, should we have a mode as well? 16:13:56 q+ 16:14:30 Charlton: if you want someone to always apply lax, there is no mechanism for that for the moment. 16:14:42 + +1.650.786.aaaa 16:14:56 jjm has joined #ws-desc 16:15:04 zakim, where am I? 16:15:04 I don't understand your question, jjm. 16:15:07 ... there should be a mechanism for expressing this. 16:15:18 rrsagent, where am I? 16:15:18 See http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-ws-desc-irc#T16-15-18 16:16:32 charltonb has joined #ws-desc 16:17:09 q+ 16:17:29 ack plh 16:17:31 q+ 16:17:44 Roberto has joined #ws-desc 16:18:01 ack asir 16:18:10 Philippe: this is up to the client to use one or the other intersection mode 16:18:37 Asir: it's at the discretion of the requester. I don't see this as a WSDL issue 16:18:54 ack charlton 16:19:50 Charlton: not trying to express that anyone other than the client can pick the mode, but the service might want to indicate which one to pick. 16:20:03 Jonathan: be isn't ignorable the mode? 16:20:04 +Monica_Martin 16:20:44 Philippe: if you don't want the client to ignore your assertions, then don't use ignorable. 16:21:15 q+ 16:21:48 Jonathan: we would need a more developed use case to see the interop problem, but this seems a policy issue 16:21:49 ack monica 16:22:26 Monica: some parts of the discussion will be handled in other documents in WS-Policy. Maybe that will help Charlton on this issue. 16:22:44 Charlton: I'm happy not including this in the WSDL comments. 16:22:57 +Gilbert_Pilz 16:23:18 gpilz has joined #ws-desc 16:23:21 Charlton: Number 12 is already filed as an issue in WS-Policy but we're expressing interest in it. 16:23:44 ... the issue is about how to map parameters in policy attachments to WSDL 2.0. 16:24:08 Asir: is this a Last Call issue or an issue about the WSDL 1.1 Element identifiers? 16:24:18 Charlton: this is a last call issue? 16:24:24 s/\?// 16:25:20 ... it's a fragid issue. 16:26:13 Jonathan: I suggest we include it in the mail, as a side remark. 16:26:52 ... I'll file the issues on behalf of the WSDL WG. 16:27:04 ... all editorials. not 11. 16:27:35 ... I'll leave the observations in this WG. 16:27:51 ACTIOn: Jonathan to send WS-Policy comments to the WS-Policy WG 16:28:42 Topic: Interchange format draft note 16:28:45 Postponed 16:28:57 Topic: MTOM Description 16:28:59 http://www.w3.org/Submission/2006/SUBM-WS-MTOMPolicy-20061101/ 16:29:17 Jonathan: W3C ack'd a submission on the MTOM policy assertion 16:31:47 Philippe: will be sent to XMLP. I *think* they want to work on this on the REC track. 16:32:08 ... the XMLP WG will need a new charter if they do so. 16:32:54 Jonathan: following-up on this, I thought Canon was going to investigate the use of the MTOM policy assertion. Any news? 16:33:05 Jean-Jacques: no news yet. 16:34:32 Jonathan: the interesting point is if it is difficult to implement a WS-Policy that can only support one policy assertion. 16:35:17 Jean-Jacques: if we parse it, and check if the infoset only contains a subset, would that work? 16:35:36 Jonathan: you also want to support the PolicyReference element, which is the practice 16:35:50 ... you also want to reject policy you don't understand. 16:36:02 Jean-Jacques: a bit more complex than XPath... 16:36:49 Jonathan: I also don't understand the resources constraint you're facing 16:37:55 ... could one use XSLT to transform the policy into a direct WSDL extension? 16:38:18 ... if that's true, the information content is equivalenet 16:38:24 s/lenet/lent/ 16:39:10 ... Paul's proposal was to annotate the policies. Asir's proposal was that we don't need to annotate them at all. 16:40:33 ACTION: Jean-Jacques to provide more analysis on how difficult it would deal with a Policy that only contains an MTOM policy assertion 16:41:20 s/would/would be/ 16:42:47 Topic: CR122 16:43:06 http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR122 16:50:41 John: 6.7.2.2.2 talks about ignoreUncited. If the HTTP PUT or POST then the remainder gets serialized in the message body anyway, not repeated in the URI. So the use of the property isn't relevant here. 16:51:30 Jonathan: should we clarify that data could be thrown away? 16:52:24 ... you're not only preventing the data from appearing in the URI, but you can also prevent it from appearing in the HTTP Body 16:52:33 ... Youenn got the correct behavior 16:54:02 ... I do believe it would be possible to write some WSDL that wouldn't interop because of implementation limitations. 16:54:50 Jonathan: yes, it is the expected behavior. The user might trip on this. Closed with no action. 16:54:57 -Monica_Martin 16:55:00 Resolution: close with no action 16:55:16 Topic: CR130 16:55:25 http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR130 16:55:26 +m2 16:55:32 -Charlton 16:55:40 nick /monica 16:56:32 John: I had to make some decision on how to associate the tokens I find with the string 16:56:46 -asir 16:56:54 ... should the spec be more specific? 16:57:16 Jonathan has joined #ws-desc 16:57:28 whttp:location="{{{town}}}" 16:58:13 {{,{town},}} 16:58:22 {{,{,town,}},} 16:58:38 John: two ways to interpret the example. 16:58:41 I'd say it's '{' + value of town + '}' 16:58:48 +1 16:59:30 John: with a strategy that looks for matching curly braces first, the example will be ok. 17:00:01 s/curly/par curly/ 17:00:20 Jonathan: the proposal is to match the pair of curly braces first. 17:00:47 Tony: I can't see a grammar where the second result would be correct 17:01:05 q+ 17:02:03 ack roberto 17:02:53 Jonathan: is there a common algorithm we can point to? 17:03:01 John: don't know any 17:03:50 Philippe: don't try using regular expression to handle http:location, you need a parser and a state table 17:04:07 {{town}} 17:05:54 ACTIOn: Philippe to propose a grammar for http:location 17:06:12 Topic: CR131 17:06:19 http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR131 17:09:03 John: should we deal with infault elements as well? 17:09:15 Jonathan: the binding only works for the 3 MEPs 17:09:31 ... you can say that it applies to the infault in your extension as well. 17:10:50 Resolution: the HTTP 1.1 Binding aplies only to the 3 MEPs we have in the spec. Closed with no action 17:10:55 Topic: CR 133 17:11:34 http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR133 17:12:30 Jonathan: For the SOAP response MEP the immediate destination is "the value of the WSDL {address} property, modified by the {http location} property following the rules described in section 6.7.2 Serialization as application/x-www-form-urlencoded." 17:12:41 ... is it intentional that we are ignoring http:location? 17:13:54 "the SOAP request-response MEP the immediate destination is "the value of the WSDL {address} property of the Endpoint component."" . is it intentional that we are ignoring http:location? 17:14:16 John: so instance data would be serialized in the IRI 17:14:26 Jonathan: yes, but the full XML would still be part of the SOAP Body 17:14:48 John: might be useful in gateway/middleware scenarios 17:15:55 ... so you don't have to parse the message body but still want to do dispatch 17:16:26 Jonathan: didn't see any reason to have it the way it is. 17:17:36 Proposal: the SOAP request-response MEP immediate destination is the value of the 17:17:36 WSDL {address} property, modified by the {http location} property following the 17:17:36 rules described in section 6.7.2 Serialization as application/x-www-form-urlencoded. The entire instance data is seralized in the SOAP Body. 17:17:52 s/sera/seria/ 17:18:57 Resolution: proposal adopted. 17:19:02 Topic: CR 140 17:19:56 John: What happens if the MEP allows multiple input messages or infaults as well as input messages? 17:20:34 ... there is an issue on how to associate the element name with the input data. 17:20:51 Jonathan: we only define the property for the 3 MEPs. 17:20:57 Resolution: closed. 17:21:51 Topic: CR 141 17:22:09 http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/5/cr-issues/#CR141 17:23:29 Jonathan: this is a duplicate of 130 since Philippe will come up with a grammar. 17:24:20 Resolution: will be resolved with the resolution of 130. Closed (duplicate). 17:24:45 monica has joined #ws-desc 17:25:31 Topic: CR119 17:25:42 wsdl:binding/wsdl:operation/@whttp:queryParameterSeparator is missing in 17:25:42 the HTTP binding syntax summary while present in section 6.4.4. 17:26:03 Resolution: agreed. needs to be fixed. 17:26:15 Topic: CR 120 17:27:10 Jonathan: It does make sense to add #none 17:28:06 ... the SOAP Response MEP can only be used with the IRI style or with an input message of #none. 17:28:19 ... sounds reasonable. 17:28:34 Resolution: agreed. Needs to be fixed. 17:28:46 Topic: CR 121 17:29:03 Support for deprecation. 17:30:05 Resolution: could be done through extensibility or in V.Next. Closed. 17:30:43 -John 17:30:44 -Jonathan_Marsh 17:30:45 -Allen_Brookes 17:30:45 -Roberto 17:30:47 -m2 17:30:47 -Plh 17:30:48 -Canon 17:30:51 -TonyR 17:31:00 -JacekK 17:32:25 TonyR has left #ws-desc 17:36:01 disconnecting the lone participant, Gilbert_Pilz, in WS_DescWG()11:00AM 17:36:05 WS_DescWG()11:00AM has ended 17:36:06 Attendees were Plh, Allen_Brookes, TonyR, John, Canon, Jonathan_Marsh, JacekK, Roberto, asir, Charlton, +1.650.786.aaaa, Monica_Martin, Gilbert_Pilz, m2 17:40:18 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:40:18 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-ws-desc-minutes.html Jonathan 18:02:35 gpilz_ has joined #ws-desc 18:08:47 gpilz_ has joined #ws-desc 18:41:19 JacekK has joined #ws-desc 18:41:22 gpilz_ has joined #ws-desc 19:09:27 Zakim has left #ws-desc 20:55:02 sanjiva has joined #ws-desc 21:29:35 rrsagent, bye 21:29:35 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-ws-desc-actions.rdf : 21:29:35 ACTION: Jonathan to send WS-Policy comments to the WS-Policy WG [1] 21:29:35 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-ws-desc-irc#T16-27-51 21:29:35 ACTION: Jean-Jacques to provide more analysis on how difficult it would deal with a Policy that only contains an MTOM policy assertion [2] 21:29:35 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-ws-desc-irc#T16-40-33 21:29:35 ACTION: Philippe to propose a grammar for http:location [3] 21:29:35 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/11-ws-desc-irc#T17-05-54