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14:57:03 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS Working Group
14:57:06 <fsasaki> chair: Felix
14:57:08 <fsasaki> scribe: fsasaki
14:58:07 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0034.html
14:58:12 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log member
15:01:17 <fsasaki> zakim, dial felix-home
15:01:17 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
15:01:18 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
15:01:19 <Zakim> +Felix
15:01:40 <Zakim> +Sebastian_Rahtz
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15:04:00 <Zakim> +Christian_Lieske
15:05:31 <fsasaki> topic: action items
15:05:32 <fsasaki> none
15:05:50 <fsasaki> topic:  CR phase: current state (report from Felix)
15:06:15 <fsasaki> felix: now new info, just have to work on implementations
15:06:35 <fsasaki> topic:  namespace binding mechanism discussion update 
15:06:45 <fsasaki> felix: talked to Michael today
15:07:13 <fsasaki> .. next week he and me will work on the issue
15:07:58 <fsasaki> .. I hope that Michael had a more efficient implementation
15:08:19 <fsasaki> Sebastian: what do we do if it involves traversing every node in the document?
15:08:26 <fsasaki> .. do we still have to accept it?
15:08:33 <fsasaki> Felix: normally we have to accept it
15:08:43 <fsasaki> .. I will discuss with Michael
15:09:22 <fsasaki> Christian: small remark:
15:09:32 <fsasaki> .. we are looking at test implementations, right?
15:09:45 <fsasaki> Sebastian: depends on definition for an implementation
15:10:05 <fsasaki> .. it would matter if all implementations were slow
15:10:24 <fsasaki> .. if just XSLT 1.0 would be slow , it's not so bad
15:10:41 <fsasaki> .. it is an issue if the burden to look at all nodes exists for all implementations
15:12:00 <fsasaki> .. it might be faster if you only look at the children of the its:rules element
15:13:16 <fsasaki> Felix: you cannot look just at the inheritance information?
15:13:35 <fsasaki> Sebastian: in XSLT 1.0 , you need the declaration information
15:15:15 <fsasaki> Felix: in XPath 2.0, you have a function which gives you the prefix and namespace without looking at declarations
15:15:56 <fsasaki> .. I only see problems for external rules
15:17:08 <fsasaki> Sebastian: implementations are all based on processing in memory
15:17:29 <fsasaki> .. if XSLT-based things are used with 20GIG documents you might have a problem
15:18:45 <fsasaki> .. can you say where the rules element occur?
15:18:48 <fsasaki> Felix: no
15:20:56 <fsasaki> .. it would be good to have a big test file 
15:22:07 <fsasaki> action: Sebastian to create a big test file for the ITS test suite (>1 MB) to test the implementation efficiency of namespace binding(s)
15:22:31 <fsasaki> Sebastian: bible file is 7 MB
15:24:09 <fsasaki> Felix: what is your timeline for implementation?
15:24:20 <fsasaki> Sebastian: I finish mine next week
15:24:50 <fsasaki> Felix: if mine is finished  and tests are done, we'll be able to leave CR
15:25:59 <fsasaki> topic: ITS presentations
15:26:12 <fsasaki> Christian: summarized feedback on presentations
15:26:46 <fsasaki> .. summarized more per mail, will wait until I get o.k. to publish it
15:26:52 <fsasaki> .. was very feedback
15:27:13 <fsasaki> Felix: people want to implement and use ITS?
15:27:15 <fsasaki> Christian: both
15:27:58 <fsasaki> .. CAT tool developers already have the functionality, but priporitary
15:28:18 <fsasaki> .. people asked who supports ITS already
15:28:40 <fsasaki> .. I made a third presentation, to the DITA translation sub TC
15:29:30 <fsasaki> .. that was very well received as well
15:30:19 <fsasaki> Felix: did they made a commitment to ITS?
15:30:25 <fsasaki> Christian: this might have changed
15:30:58 <fsasaki> .. I can give an update if there is more info
15:31:07 <fsasaki> .. one more info: at the ASLIP conference
15:31:21 <fsasaki> .. I met people working on ISO / DIN standards, they are also aware of ITS
15:32:17 <fsasaki> .. people working on lexical markup framework (TC 37 /4)
15:33:50 <fsasaki> topic: Other business
15:36:21 <Zakim> -Sebastian_Rahtz
15:36:36 <fsasaki> Next week there will be the W3C AC meeting, so we will probably cancel
15:36:38 <fsasaki> the call.
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15:50:47 <Zakim> -Christian_Lieske
15:50:50 <Zakim> -Felix
15:50:52 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
15:50:53 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix, Sebastian_Rahtz, Christian_Lieske
15:50:56 <fsasaki> present: Christian, Felix, Sebastian
15:51:10 <fsasaki> regrets: Andrzej, Diane, Yves
15:51:17 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:51:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/22-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
15:52:07 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make minutes public
15:52:07 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', fsasaki.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:52:19 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
15:52:22 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:52:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/22-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
15:52:45 <fsasaki> bla
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