IRC log of i18nits on 2006-11-01

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meeting: i18n ITS Working Group
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chair: Felix
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scribe: Felix
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scribeNick: fsasaki
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0030.html
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regrets: Andrzej, Christian, Yves
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I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
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+Felix
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+Sebastian_Rahtz
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-Sebastian_Rahtz
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+Sebastian_Rahtz
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+Diane_Stoick
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topic: namespace binding issue
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3319
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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3319#c9
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Felix: Michael proposed to copy all namespace nodes
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Sebastian: does this preserve the prefix
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.. I have no technical objection in using xmlns - how does it affect Felix?
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Felix: not sure
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Sebastian: if Michael is right
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.. we can drop the <ns> element
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Felix: I'm not sure about external rules
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.. Michael will test this in an XSLT 1.0 implementation
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.. especially using global rules
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Sebastian: if he does not succeed, we will keep <ns>?
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Felix: yes.
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http://www.w3.org/2006/10/its-draft/
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"The following parts of the specification are considered at risk:"
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Felix: look at this paragraph
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.. it says how we handle <ns>
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Sebastian: if you tacke the rules element and put it through e.g. an identity transformation
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.. it might decide to throw away the declarations
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Felix: that would not happen with XSLT
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Sebastian: might happen with DOM
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.. is it part of the PSVI?
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Felix: I'm sure it is part of the PSVI
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.. I think it is possible in DOM
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.. it is not possible in SAX
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0029.html
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Sebastian: three issues:
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.. can you do it? Is it sufficient? Does it survive XML transformation?
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Felix: with Michael, only "can you do it?" is important
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topic: CR phase
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Sebastian: how long does the CR phase last?
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Felix: we planned at least until 10 December
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.. CR has no "last day" date
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.. Michael and I will work on the at the beginning of December
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http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport
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http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/
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Felix: we have to fill the implementation table
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Sebastian: Yves does not directionality and others
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Felix: I do just "useless" stuff, but comparable
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.. for all data categories
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Sebastian: you don't have to do anything useful
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.. is the output format mandated somewhere?
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.. can whe change our minds about it?
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Felix: we can
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Sebastian: basic things like generating "output-type" is not necessary
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Sebastian: can we resolve all this until the end of the month?
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Felix: should be possible
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topic: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0027.html
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reply from Yves http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0028.html
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reply from Felix http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0029.html
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<its:locNoteRule locNoteType="description" selector="//msg/data[../notes]"
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locNotePointer="../notes"/>
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Sebastian: it still does not force you to have content in nodes
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.. you could write a predicate "the node has to exist and has to string length > 0"
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.. you might also ask "what happens if there are three ../notes"?
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.. the pointer could point to the root of the document or somewhere else
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Felix: the most you can do is to give an best practice advice
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Sebastian: an implementor should be sensitive what comes back after ITS processing
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Felix: no need to define error condititions?
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Sebastian: we discussed that before and decided not to have them
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Felix: I still agree
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topic: CR and after
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Felix: we might have promotion for ITS for PR
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topic: BP document
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Felix: will be a topic after CR and during the next phase 2007
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.. we might need some editing work on that next year
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topic: calls in November
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Diane, Sebastian: available through the whole of November
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Felix: out for next week
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-Sebastian_Rahtz
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-Diane_Stoick
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-Felix
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I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Felix, Sebastian_Rahtz, Diane_Stoick
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present: Diane, Felix, Sebastian
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/11/01-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
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