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13:44:08 <YvesS> zakim, this will be I18N_TS
13:44:08 <Zakim> ok, YvesS; I see I18N_TS()10:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
13:44:26 <YvesS> Chair: YvesS
13:44:55 <YvesS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0023.html
13:46:41 <YvesS> rrsagent, make log public
13:54:17 <YvesS> Regrets: Sebastian, Andrzej
13:55:23 <YvesS> Hi felix. FYI: I chanmged the ITS home page to add a link to the test suite and to update the face-to-face meetings area.
13:56:02 <fsasaki> Hi Yves, many thanks
13:59:29 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
13:59:36 <Zakim> +YvesS
13:59:59 <fsasaki> zakim, dial felix-home
13:59:59 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
14:00:00 <Zakim> +Felix
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14:02:13 <GoutamSaha> Good Evening, Felix
14:02:32 <YvesS> Hi Goutam, good afternoon.
14:02:39 <Zakim> +Christian_Lieske
14:02:42 <GoutamSaha> Good Morning, Yves
14:03:24 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
14:03:27 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
14:03:32 <fsasaki> topic: action items
14:03:39 <fsasaki> action: All to try to compile a list of work item for the new charter
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14:03:53 <fsasaki> Yves: Felix discussed this with Philippe and Richard
14:04:05 <fsasaki> .. the idea now is to extend the charter for a year
14:04:12 <fsasaki> .. is it already decided?
14:05:24 <fsasaki> Felix: not decided, but very likely
14:05:32 <fsasaki> .. we would continue the current work items
14:05:51 <fsasaki> .. and start no new ones
14:05:51 <Zakim> -Christian_Lieske
14:05:58 <fsasaki> Christian: fine with me as well
14:06:16 <fsasaki> action: Christian to come up with paragraph and answer to Felix w/r desciption of the compatibility test format (DONE)
14:06:41 <fsasaki> Christian: is this still relevant? Could we still modify the implementation report
14:07:10 <YvesS> During the CR phase, the WG will conduct further tests for ITS Markup Declarations 
14:07:10 <YvesS> and ITS Processing Expectations. With regard to the latter, the WG will compare the results 
14:07:10 <YvesS> (given in the format mentioned above) of the implementations of Conformance Type 2. 
14:07:10 <YvesS> During the CR phase, the WG will conduct further tests for ITS Markup Declarations 
14:07:10 <YvesS> and ITS Processing Expectations. With regard to the latter, the WG will compare the results 
14:07:11 <YvesS> (given in the format mentioned above) of the implementations of Conformance Type 2. 
14:07:13 <YvesS> During the CR phase, the WG will conduct further tests for ITS Markup Declarations 
14:07:15 <YvesS> and ITS Processing Expectations. With regard to the latter, the WG will compare the results 
14:07:16 <fsasaki> Yves: I pasted above Christians proposal in IRC
14:07:17 <YvesS> (given in the format mentioned above) of the implementations of Conformance Type 2. 
14:07:27 <chriLi> I have drafted an alternative text and send it to Yves
14:08:08 <fsasaki> current text is at http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport.html
14:10:08 <chriLi> I just sent the alternative text to the public list
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14:18:51 <fsasaki> discussion on the text proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024.html
14:19:02 <fsasaki> will be continued later (see below)
14:19:17 <fsasaki> action: Yves to setup teleconf with Tony (DONE)
14:19:35 <fsasaki> Yves: XLIFF people understood that we can't do much work before we get to CR
14:20:43 <fsasaki> .. we may get some implementation from them, I don't know how long it will take
14:20:55 <fsasaki> .. at this point it does not need to be listed as an implementation
14:21:32 <fsasaki> .. XLIFF people also produce guidelines saying how formats should be translated into XLIFF
14:21:43 <fsasaki> .. they are thinking of using ITS in these guidelines
14:21:57 <fsasaki> .. using ITS inside XLIFF was discussed as well
14:22:12 <fsasaki> .. there is nothing that prevents us doing that today
14:22:44 <fsasaki> Felix: should we produce for the BP document a section "ITS + XLIFF"?
14:22:58 <fsasaki> Yves: yes, good point.
14:23:34 <clieske> keep in mind that we have two types of relationship between ITS and XLIFF
14:23:37 <fsasaki> .. they will mention all activities on their next call and f2f
14:23:59 <clieske> relationship 1: ITS as bridgehead for producing XLIFF
14:24:25 <clieske> relationship 2: ITS within (or as a rules file) for XLIFF
14:25:14 <fsasaki> Felix: should W3C / me do s.t. about this topic?
14:25:31 <fsasaki> Yves: Christian and Andrzej are both in the XLIFF TC, that should be enough
14:26:16 <fsasaki> topic: Transition Request to CR made
14:26:32 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0022.html
14:27:25 <fsasaki> Felix: mail from Richard "Typo in 6.2.2"
14:27:41 <fsasaki> .. I will fix it
14:28:57 <fsasaki> Yves: we got private feedback from Jirka
14:29:50 <fsasaki> .. should we change that now?
14:29:51 <clieske> Aside on relationship ITS/XLIFF: I am the XLIFF TC liason person to the W3C
14:30:27 <fsasaki> Felix: not good to change s.t. now, since we sent the CR mail (except typos). We will change that later
14:31:13 <fsasaki> .. schematron is also informative, no need to implement Jirkas comments now
14:31:56 <fsasaki> Yves: on CR preparation: I hope we don't have to get back to WD
14:32:17 <fsasaki> .. I don't think our changes produce a need to go back
14:33:58 <fsasaki> Yves: I am also worried about participation
14:35:39 <fsasaki> Felix: is no problem now, I think, but we need to make this clear after the charter extension
14:35:50 <fsasaki> topic: test suite
14:37:11 <fsasaki> .. test suite implementation during CR, and editing
14:38:10 <fsasaki> Felix: I will edit until the end of this week, after that , somebody else needs to edit, otherwise the document will not be changed until December
14:38:31 <fsasaki> Yves: on the test suite
14:38:52 <fsasaki> .. my mail at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0022.html
14:39:10 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/tests/expected/EX-locNote-element-1-result.xml
14:41:06 <fsasaki> .. what information would be need in the output?
14:43:12 <Zakim> +Claus
14:44:23 <fsasaki> .. for example, the implementation might make no difference whether localization information is produced via a reference or an attribute with the text
14:44:30 <fsasaki> Felix: my proposal:
14:44:44 <fsasaki> <output its:locNoteRef="someReference"/>
14:45:03 <fsasaki> <output its:locNote="Some loc note"/>
14:46:01 <fsasaki> Yves: how does this work with "pointer" attributes?
14:46:16 <fsasaki> .. from a "real world" application , you don't want to know the pointer attribute
14:47:03 <fsasaki> .. I would not be able to produce the pointer information in my output
14:50:09 <fsasaki> topic: during November
14:50:34 <fsasaki> Yves: I will be away. You should built the test suite and do implementation work
14:51:01 <fsasaki> .. we need to go through feedback we get, like the one from Jirka, and fix things in the spec
14:51:09 <fsasaki> .. and we need to do the markup implementation
14:51:24 <fsasaki> Felix: I can do the markup implementation
14:51:42 <fsasaki> .. should we have regular calls?
14:51:51 <fsasaki> Christian: yes, but I have to miss two of them
14:53:32 <fsasaki> Felix: let's have a regular call, we might use it for implementation discussion
14:54:09 <fsasaki> topic: back to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024.html
14:54:57 <fsasaki> Yves: Felix said that "the WG will conduct further tests for ITS Markup Declarations" is not part of the test suite
14:55:10 <fsasaki> .. so we should not mention ITS Markup Declarations in this section
14:55:29 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/ImpReport.html
14:57:28 <fsasaki> Christian: fine with taking "ITS Markup Declarations" out of my proposal
14:57:42 <fsasaki> Felix: fine by me, I will make that change after Monday (the CR call)
14:58:04 <fsasaki> action: Felix to adopt http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024.html with todays discussion after the CR call
14:58:09 <fsasaki> topic: other business
14:59:06 <fsasaki> some outreach material at http://www.w3.org/QA/2006/10/how_i_explained_its_to_my_chil.html
14:59:16 <fsasaki> Christian: I created "how to explain ITS to my boss"
14:59:43 <fsasaki> .. if you have other material, please tell me if you have other stuff
15:00:00 <fsasaki> .. will be useful for the tekom
15:00:27 <fsasaki> topic: next meeting - time zone change
15:00:35 <fsasaki> Yves: don't forget
15:01:27 <Zakim> -Felix
15:01:28 <Zakim> -YvesS
15:01:32 <Zakim> -Claus
15:01:35 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
15:01:37 <Zakim> Attendees were YvesS, Felix, Christian_Lieske, Claus
15:01:42 <fsasaki> present: Christian, Felix, Yves
15:01:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
15:08:03 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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15:08:06 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
15:08:06 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-actions.rdf :
15:08:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: All to try to compile a list of work item for the new charter [1]
15:08:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-irc#T14-03-39
15:08:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Christian to come up with paragraph and answer to Felix w/r desciption of the compatibility test format (DONE) [2]
15:08:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-irc#T14-06-16
15:08:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to setup teleconf with Tony (DONE) [3]
15:08:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-irc#T14-19-17
15:08:06 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to adopt http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0024.html with todays discussion after the CR call [4]
15:08:06 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/25-i18nits-irc#T14-58-04
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