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<prasad> Chair: Prasad
<prasad> Meeting: WS_Policy(editors)
<fsasaki> today's WG meeting minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-ws-policy-minutes.html
<dorchard> bio break for maryann
<fsasaki> :)
<prasad> Toufic was to do the minutes but, he has network problems. I guess I will take them myself
<prasad> Scribe: Prasad
<maryann> scribe Nick: maryann
<scribe> Scribe: maryann
<fsasaki> scribeNick: maryann
prasad: next week Dave and Prasad at WS-I
felix: out next week as well
prasad: suggestion to cancel next weeks call
maryann: do we want to resched? if we have to publish working drafts?
felix: i'll take care of the publication of the primer document
prasad: we'll handle all other
issues by email
... so David to chair on the 25th
maryann: I will send regrets for the 25th and Nov 1 ( i'll be on vacation)
<prasad> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicyeds/actions/open
prasad: maryann, so I checked in
the change
... we should close the AI then
that was action item 1
felix: did you put it in the changelog?
maryann: yes
prasad: this is Asir's so we'll leave it pending
dave: action is straightforward,
but i have some trepidations
... this might make the spec unreadable if we blindly replace
all the definitions....
... if we replace all the uses of the term with the termref
prasad: most people will understand the definitions after the first few definition
<dorchard> Applied in the Web services model, policy is used to convey conditions on an interaction between two Web service endpoints. Satisfying assertions in the policy usually results in behavior that reflects these conditions. Typically, the provider of a Web service exposes a policy to convey conditions under which it provides the service. A requester might use this policy to decide whether or not to use the service. A requester may choose any alternative
so dave I agree, i found the same issue when I made the change to policy subject
we could just randomly string together the definitions :-)
prasad: if this is really done, its a perpetual working item
dave: i wonder how many times just the word "policy" exists in the spec
prasad: so this is a totally open item
dave: i can mark up a couple of
paragraphs to illustrate the issue
... and then we can reconfirm with the working group
felix: alternatively we could do the first mention in each section
dave: that is kind of what was done in 4.2
felix: maybe we should point this out to the WG and see what they say
prasad: yes
yes
dave: ok i will do that then
prasad: what's the impact then on
the working drafts update?
... done?
dave: yes
<scribe> TOPIC : ACtion 50
dave: i can do that in the next
day or two
... end of day thursday
<prasad> Dave: We don't want to hold up the ED drafts for AI 32
so at the last call we said i should ask the editors list for help
and no one responded
<fsasaki> mail from maryann http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-eds/2006Oct/0021.html
so i propose we close the AI with no change required
ok so i will close this one
<scribe> TOPIC : Action 44
prasad: i will do this this
week
... editor draft not affected
so this one was done
and i put the change in changelog
prasad: so we're done with
existing action items
... no new actions on the editors
... action on felix to publish primer with status section
... so after dave checks in his fixes, for 3720, we are ready
to go
... felix, can you help us generate a new working group
... we want to generate the diffs and make a new working group
version
felix: put a new tag
prasad: so we just send the cvs version? and once the WG approves it , then we tag it?
felix: yes
<fsasaki> ant diff
so let me see if i understand.....
what do we need to do?
prasad: so we need to generate diffs
what is the changelog?
prasad: so in the doc we have an appendix that has the changes
<prasad> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-framework.html
<prasad> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-framework.html#change-description
prasad: so we need to summarize the changes since the last working draft was accepted
<fsasaki> last approved draft is at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-framework.html?only_with_tag=Approved-as-Second-Public-Working-Draft
prasad: need to replace Appendix
c with new text
... Appendix C in framework
<prasad> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-attachment.html#change-description
prasad: Appendix D in
attachments
... and we don't have this section in the primer
... so we need to include the new conformance section as part
of the "substantive" changes
prasad: two changes by asir and
toufic
... WSDL 2.0 is substantive
... toufic change not substantive
dave: change to explain use of
reference is probably substantive too
... i will update mine in the section
<prasad> Created 5. WS-Policy Attachment for WSDL 2.0 per action item 2 from the Bellevue F2F. This section is based on a contribution from BEA, IBM, Microsoft and Oracle.
prasad: can you add asirs too?
dave: yes
prasad: namespace URI versioning is probably substantive
<prasad> Completed action item: 23 for issue 3617, Namespace URI versioning Policy is not clear
is updating the security policy substantive?
we could include it?
<prasad> Completed action item: 33 for issue 3672, Clarify the policy model for Web Services.
so prasad can you update the section with mine?
prasad: yes
<prasad> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicyeds/actions/31
so i would just call out the major ones
prasad: clarify the namespace versioning, the web services policy section, yes
<prasad> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicyeds/actions/24
<prasad> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3662
prasad: call out extensibility as a significant change
<prasad> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0038.html
so i would call this one out since many people commented on it
prasad: we probably need to
review with the editors team
... i'll take an action to send a note to editors to ask for
comments on section which will call out substantive
changes
<scribe> ACTION: prasad to send out mail once changes have been committed by Dave [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/11-ws-policy-eds-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-52 - to send out mail once changes have been committed by Dave [on Prasad Yendluri - due 2006-10-18].
<prasad> Dave doing the Atachment doc changes section (appendix D)
prasad will complete changes to framework doc
<prasad> Prasad is doing the Changes since section in Policy Fwk Doc
prasad: will then update Section C and send mail to editors to review before posting to WG
prasad: dave and prasad to
complete editorial items
... to update section C with substative changes propsal
dave to update sction D with substantive changes to proposal
prasad to send note to editors to review section
prasad to generate diffs
if no editor concerns then prasad to send note to working group to ask for review of this editor version
maryann: no call next week
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