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13:43:06 <YvesS> akim, this will be ITS_TS
13:43:14 <YvesS> zakim, this will be ITS_TS
13:43:14 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled near this time, YvesS
13:44:05 <YvesS> zakim, this will be I18N_TS
13:44:05 <Zakim> ok, YvesS; I see I18N_TS()10:00AM scheduled to start in 16 minutes
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13:57:27 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS Working Group
13:57:29 <fsasaki> chair: Yvs
13:57:34 <fsasaki> s/Yvs/Yves/
13:57:38 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
13:57:43 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
13:57:57 <YvesS> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0002.html
13:58:06 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0002.html
13:58:14 <YvesS> :)
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14:00:57 <Zakim> +Felix
14:01:16 <Zakim> +??P18
14:01:20 <Zakim> -Felix
14:01:21 <Zakim> +Felix
14:01:45 <Zakim> + +1.303.962.aaaa
14:04:44 <fsasaki> regrets: Andrzej, Richard
14:05:50 <fsasaki> topic: action items
14:06:06 <fsasaki> action: All to think about features at risk (ONGOING)
14:06:14 <fsasaki> Yves: posted a list
14:07:07 <Zakim> +Sebastian_Rahtz
14:07:44 <fsasaki> Felix: I would say we need to list at least the ruby attributes used for pointing
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14:08:40 <fsasaki> .. Sebastian and me can work on everything , right?
14:08:51 <fsasaki> Sebastian: yes. What we do is just "reporting"
14:08:55 <fsasaki> Felix: that is enough
14:09:18 <fsasaki> Sebastian: it is not guarenteed that it happens simuntaneously, might be a pipeline
14:09:37 <fsasaki> Yves: so all features would be twice, maybe even more
14:10:12 <fsasaki> .. do we need really the ruby pointers as features at risk
14:10:25 <fsasaki> Sebastian: might technically make sense
14:11:02 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0425.html
14:13:37 <fsasaki> Felix: do we need to mark the MUST in the statement as a feature at risk?
14:14:15 <fsasaki> Yves: I don't see the problem
14:14:59 <fsasaki> (Christian reformulates the mail)
14:20:57 <fsasaki> Yves: we could put this as features at risk, although I'm not sure what the problem is
14:22:21 <fsasaki> .. what would happen if we have this as feature at risk and nobody implements it?
14:22:49 <fsasaki> felix: we would have to remove the MUST statement and have a non-normative reference to RFC 4646
14:24:48 <fsasaki> Christian: our conformance clauses don't go to the level of values
14:25:05 <fsasaki> .. for the processing expectations
14:26:37 <fsasaki> Yves: let's flag it, just to be sure
14:30:34 <fsasaki> RESOLUTION: the "MUST" for langRule and the pointing mechanisms for ruby are features at risk
14:31:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
14:31:43 <fsasaki> action: Felix to make the change "not possible" with "not applicable" and go back to i18n core (DONE)
14:32:15 <fsasaki> Felix: did the change. This was not an i18n core comment
14:32:25 <fsasaki> action: Yves to add sumaries for issues in Bugzilla (DONE)
14:32:33 <fsasaki> .. by Felix ;)
14:32:46 <fsasaki> action: Yves to send mails for replies to comments (ONGOING)
14:33:03 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html
14:34:56 <fsasaki> action: Felix to go back to Steven Pemperton with issue http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html#issue-3331
14:35:30 <fsasaki> action: Everybody to look at the draft, to see if it is ready for CR transition (ONGOING)
14:36:12 <fsasaki> action: Sebastian looking at the 'rbspanrbspan' problem (PENDING)
14:37:14 <fsasaki> Yves: we could find a workaround
14:37:29 <fsasaki> .. the other problem is more important, that is the list of attributes
14:37:59 <fsasaki> action: Yves to add a bug for the removal of rbPointer
14:38:32 <fsasaki> topic: issues not closed
14:38:36 <fsasaki> see http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/issues
14:40:18 <fsasaki> Yves: let's vote for CR today, given that the open issues are resolved
14:40:22 <fsasaki> Sebastian: o.k.
14:40:55 <fsasaki> RESOLUTION: WG votes for CR under the condition that issues http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3514 and http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3466 are closed
14:41:00 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-40-55
14:41:44 <fsasaki> topic: things to do for CR preparation
14:41:47 <fsasaki> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006OctDec/0005.html
14:42:32 <fsasaki> Yves volunteers to do the change log
14:42:37 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2006JulSep/0027.html
14:42:48 <fsasaki> Sebastian: I will do the implementation report tonight
14:43:29 <fsasaki> Yves: other things to do?
14:43:32 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html
14:43:56 <fsasaki> Yves: fine with the presentation. I don't like the colors so much
14:45:09 <fsasaki> .. maybe have more space between each issue
14:45:38 <fsasaki> .. and have at the end of the doc s.t. like "this is the end"
14:46:24 <fsasaki> action: felix to adopt change proposals from Yves for http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html
14:46:53 <fsasaki> topic: discussion of (new) charter
14:47:04 <fsasaki> Yves: have not thought about that much yet
14:47:48 <fsasaki> Sebastian: no thought about that yet
14:47:55 <fsasaki> Christian: work on errata
14:48:18 <fsasaki> .. helping people with implementations
14:48:46 <fsasaki> Felix: for example test suite productions?
14:48:51 <fsasaki> Christian: plays a role
14:48:59 <fsasaki> Yves: trying to evangalize
14:49:13 <fsasaki> Christian: yes. But main point would be to do errata
14:49:24 <fsasaki> .. and to ensure interoperability
14:50:34 <fsasaki> Felix: how about issue http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3126 ? Is it o.k. to postone it?
14:50:40 <fsasaki> Christian: not sure
14:51:13 <fsasaki> .. depends on the timeline
14:52:26 <fsasaki> Felix: we could also have a short charter e.g. for 10 months, and have a new one after that with new features in ITS 1.x
14:52:39 <fsasaki> Yves: the BP document should be in the new charter as well
14:55:14 <fsasaki> Adjourn
14:55:18 <Zakim> -Sebastian_Rahtz
14:55:21 <Zakim> -YvesS
14:55:53 <fsasaki> present: Christian, Felix, Sebastian, Yves
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15:15:50 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix, +1.303.962.aaaa, chriLi, YvesS, Sebastian_Rahtz
15:21:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
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15:32:32 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-actions.rdf :
15:32:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: All to think about features at risk (ONGOING) [1]
15:32:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-06-06
15:32:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to make the change "not possible" with "not applicable" and go back to i18n core (DONE) [2]
15:32:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-31-43
15:32:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to add sumaries for issues in Bugzilla (DONE) [3]
15:32:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-32-25
15:32:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to send mails for replies to comments (ONGOING) [4]
15:32:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-32-46
15:32:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to go back to Steven Pemperton with issue http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html#issue-3331 [5]
15:32:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-34-56
15:32:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Everybody to look at the draft, to see if it is ready for CR transition (ONGOING) [6]
15:32:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-35-30
15:32:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sebastian looking at the 'rbspanrbspan' problem (PENDING) [7]
15:32:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-36-12
15:32:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to add a bug for the removal of rbPointer [8]
15:32:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-37-59
15:32:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: felix to adopt change proposals from Yves for http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/lc-replies.html [9]
15:32:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/10/04-i18nits-irc#T14-46-24
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