See also: IRC log
<polo> \quit
<ChrisW> MOZ, are you on the phone?
<MoZ> ChrisW, yes
<ChrisW> Scribe: MohamedZergaoui
<ChrisW> scribenick: MoZ
Chris: Next meeting is 26th
<ChrisW> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/att-0019/12-rif-minutes.html
Chris: minutes accepted
Peter: registration page is
open
... international fax number is available from now on
Christian: Can we know who will be registred ?
Peter: I will give this information
<ChrisW> 1.3 miles ~ 2 km
Peter: distance is about 2km/1.3
miles (3box by taxi)
... information about airpot and local transformation will be
put on wiki
... a lot of informations already available on ISWC website
<csma> nothing on PRR
Chris: Christian to close his action
Christian: regarding action 9, no comment
Peter and Dave : no noticiable evolution on there action
Christian: Action 41 still
open
... With Donald see in OMG meeting
... "do you think it will be useful something like this in
UC&R" looking for an answer
Chris: action open for christian
to discuss next week
... Leora action 97 still open
Frank: two actions still open
<scribe> ACTION: 109 to done [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action01]
<ChrisW> PROPOSED: to accept rewording of requirement XML types as proposed by
<ChrisW> DaveR: [1] "XML Types - RIF must support an appropriate set of scalar
<ChrisW> datatypes and associated operations as defined in XML Schema part 2 and
<ChrisW> associated specifications." (issue 6.3)
Chris: Rewording of the requirement on XML ?
<DavidHirtle> I'll get it
Requirement accepted
<ChrisW> ACTION: allen to update xml types requirement in next WD [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action02]
<rifbot> Created ACTION-113 - Update xml types requirement in next WD [on Allen Ginsberg - due 2006-09-26].
<csma> RESOLVED: to accept rewording of requirement XML type ...
Chris: Dave to take a look at
Issue 5
... to close 1 and 4
<DavidHirtle> DaveR - okay to leave the "see charter" comment at http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/UCR/Requirements#req-xml-types?
<DavidHirtle> (I think it should stay)
Dave: issue 6.2 no conclusion for the moment
Christian: They do not exaclty the same, but we can merge them, depending of the level of detail
Dave: do we make the distinction ?
Chris: about implementability
<Allen> Dave: so the action is done?
Christian: propose clarify the wording of the requirement about implementability
<ChrisW> ACTION: chris to clarify distinction between implementability and standard components requirements [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action03]
<rifbot> Created ACTION-114 - Clarify distinction between implementability and standard components requirements [on Chris Menzel - due 2006-09-26].
Issue 6 depends on Action 114
<DaveReynolds> Action 114 is on ChrisW not ChrisM
Issue 7 will be discussed next week
Issue 8 will be closed
<ChrisW> PROPOSED: to close issue 8
<ChrisW> RESOLVED: Close issue 8
Issue 22 : alan's proposal
Alan: look at original terminology, and send a email to the WG
Allen: take into account a slide
from Christian
... i describe an alternative approche about 2 rulesets in the
same model
<ChrisW> Allen's message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/0046.html
Christian: do we need to have an official definition ?
Chris: cover is used in 4 requirements
Christian: propose to rephrase
these requirements
... features must exist into RIF, or each features must have
the exact semantic of another language ?
<Francois> +q
<Francois> +
<sandro> "q+", Francois
Christian: cover for syntactic
and one for transfering the semantic
... propose to abandon the word "cover"
<sandro> Sandro: I think "coverage" is an important feature for users -- they want to know if their language/features are covered
Francois: distinguishing syntax
and semantics is dangerous
... do not want to keep the syntax
Christian: cannot separate the
syntax and semantics
... the word cover should be taken at the feature level
ChrisW, I will have to go
<ChrisW> ok
<ChrisW> scribenick: axelpolleres
<scribe> scribenick: AxelPolleres
<Harold> In http://www.debruijn.net/publications/msa-ruleml05.pdf (section 4 The Relationship Between Layers, page 9) there is a formal definition of Language extensions.
<Francois> +1 with both proposals.
chrisW: read allen's email and
comment until next week on coverage issue.
... allen, remaing issues?
<scribe> ACTION: allen to post resolution for issues 3,4,13 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action04]
<rifbot> Created ACTION-115 - Post resolution for issues 3,4,13 [on Allen Ginsberg - due 2006-09-26].
<DavidHirtle> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/UCR/Negotiating_eBusiness_Contracts_Across_Rule_Platforms
chrisW: we still have to link Use Cases with requirements and vice versa.
<DavidHirtle> (see above for an example of links from use cases to reqs)
chrisW: this will be the main topic ffor next week!
DavidHirtle&Allen: solicit for input to this discussion by the end of the week on the mailing list
Hassan: meeting on action
http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/track/actions/87
... this is about variables.
<scribe> ACTION: write response to Christian's proposal, asking for clarifications where necessary [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action05]
<rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - write
<scribe> ACTION: Alex to record questionnaire answers for JBoss and XUL in an email [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action06]
<rifbot> Created ACTION-116 - Record questionnaire answers for JBoss and XUL in an email [CONTINUED] [on Alex Kozlenkov - due 2006-09-26].
<scribe> ACTION: Axel to make a wiki page on negation [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action07]
<rifbot> Created ACTION-117 - Make a wiki page on negation [DONE] [on Axel Polleres - due 2006-09-26].
you can't hear me?
:-(
AxelPolleres: What about updates
of the questionnaire?
... on types.
ChrisW: Postpone further changes
2 weeks due to other urgent deadlines.
... decide how to move forward then (whether to stay with
questionnaire or another possibility, e.g. discriminators
ontology in OWL)
<scribe> ACTION: Harold to start new wiki page on the core language to include Peter's proposal modulo changes we discussed [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action08]
<rifbot> Created ACTION-118 - Start new wiki page on the core language to include Peter\'s proposal modulo changes we discussed [CONTINUED] [on Harold Boley - due 2006-09-26].
<scribe> ACTION: 111 [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action09]
<rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 111
<scribe> ACTION: 112 [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action10]
<rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 112
ChrisW: discussion on mail on
action 110.
...
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/0051
... Seems like we have consensus on the core of condition
language.
Hassan: I will post URI on rewriter for basic conditions/XML.
<csma> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wg/wiki/B.1_Horn_Rules
Hassan et al.: continue discussions on heads (from XML syntaxpoint of view)
Hassan: Issues: scope, variales, global variables, heads, etc.
csma: actions?
Hassan: Prepares a document on these issues.
<scribe> ACTION: Hassan to post a mail or set up a wiki page on outlining the issues. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action11]
<rifbot> Created ACTION-119 - Post a mail or set up a wiki page on outlining the issues on XML syntax. [on Hassan Ait-Kaci - due 2006-09-26].
ChrisW: when will we have a new wiki page done?
Harold: in one week.
... points out focus on phase 1.
ChrisW: more comments on Technical design?
csma: Issue: how do we specify the "dataset" of the rules?
<JeffP> +1
<Hassan> +1
<PaulaP> +1
<scribe> ACTION: csma to send a mail on issue: "how do we specify the 'dataset' of the rules" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html#action12]
<rifbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - csma
<PaulaP> bye
ChrisW: Let's be sure to talk about f2f5 next week!
<JeffP> bye
<igor> bye
This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.127 of Date: 2005/08/16 15:12:03 Check for newer version at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/informaiton/informations/ Succeeded: s/Leoro/Leora/ Succeeded: s/Alan/Allen/ Succeeded: s/to/into/ Succeeded: s/bethe/be the/ Succeeded: s/issues/issues on XML syntax/ Found Scribe: MohamedZergaoui WARNING: No scribe lines found matching ScribeNick pattern: <MohamedZergaoui> ... Found ScribeNick: MoZ Found ScribeNick: axelpolleres Found ScribeNick: AxelPolleres ScribeNicks: MoZ, axelpolleres WARNING: Replacing list of attendees. Old list: Hassan_Ait-Kaci FrankMcCabe Harold Deborah_Nichols ChrisW Francois Dave_Reynolds Sandro AlexKozlenkov pfps Allen_Ginsberg igor MarkusK Leora_Morgenstern PaulaP MoZ Mike_Dean DavidHirtle csma Gary_Hallmark Mala_Mehrotra Axel_Polleres SaidTabet johnhall polo GiorgosStoilos JeffP MichaelKifer New list: Hassan_Ait-Kaci FrankMcCabe Harold Deborah_Nichols ChrisW Francois Dave_Reynolds Sandro AlexKozlenkov pfps Allen_Ginsberg Default Present: Hassan_Ait-Kaci, FrankMcCabe, Harold, Deborah_Nichols, ChrisW, Francois, Dave_Reynolds, Sandro, AlexKozlenkov, pfps, Allen_Ginsberg Present: Hassan_Ait-Kaci FrankMcCabe Harold Deborah_Nichols ChrisW Francois Dave_Reynolds Sandro AlexKozlenkov pfps Allen_Ginsberg Regrets: MichaelSintek Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2006Sep/0044.html Got date from IRC log name: 19 Sep 2006 Guessing minutes URL: http://www.w3.org/2006/09/19-rif-minutes.html People with action items: alex allen chris csma harold hassan response write[End of scribe.perl diagnostic output]