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13:54:46 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS working group
13:54:49 <fsasaki> chair: Yves
13:54:51 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
13:54:55 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
13:55:03 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
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13:55:28 <YvesS> Hi Felix, it is really good to have you back :)
13:56:16 <fsasaki> Hi Yves, sorry for the long absence, I missed a lot
13:57:17 <fsasaki> Maybe some explanations will change my confusion
13:57:21 <fsasaki> ;)
13:57:23 <YvesS> not really: we missed you. and didn't do much anyway
13:58:44 <YvesS> Could you regenerate the Report sometime soon. Things may be clearer when looking at the latest changes in the bugs.
13:59:22 <fsasaki> o.k. it might take until tomorrow though since I have another meeting (3 hours) after ITS :(
13:59:34 <fsasaki> but I'll do it as the first thing tomorrow
13:59:53 <YvesS> sure no problem.
14:00:13 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
14:00:18 <Zakim> +Felix
14:00:35 <Zakim> +Yves_Savourel
14:00:37 <Zakim> +Sebastian_Rahtz
14:02:52 <Zakim> +ChriLi
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14:03:52 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0118.html
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14:04:08 <fsasaki> regrets: Richard
14:04:19 <fsasaki> topic: action items
14:04:32 <fsasaki> action: Yves to look where WD need to be changed for adding term="yes|no" (DONE)
14:04:37 <Zakim> +Andrzej_Zydron
14:04:54 <fsasaki> Yves: done, but I need to add a change for the local usage of its:term
14:05:51 <fsasaki> email thread between Yves and Felix at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JulSep/0267.html
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14:08:19 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/its/#selection-defaults-etc
14:10:36 <fsasaki> Felix: The formulation of inheritance for terminology is different than inheritance for e.g. translatabiliy
14:12:15 <fsasaki> Yves: that is a different issue
14:14:38 <fsasaki> action: Felix to add a bugzilla entry on inheritance issues with terminology
14:17:02 <fsasaki> Felix: agree with the change on terminology, question is whether the group would be willing to take the risk of a substantive change?
14:17:16 <fsasaki> (discussion of the question from Felix)
14:25:36 <fsasaki> agreement to make the change
14:25:51 <fsasaki> definition of substantive change is at http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/process.html#substantive-change
14:26:15 <fsasaki> "A substantive change (whether deletion, inclusion, or other modification) is one where someone could reasonably expect that making the change would invalidate an individual's review or implementation experience. "
14:28:54 <fsasaki> Yves: agreement to make the change by all
14:29:40 <Zakim> -Andrzej_Zydron
14:29:57 <YvesS> <p> Text <term>term in <b>bold</b></term>...</p>
14:30:34 <fsasaki> topic: inhertiance with terms
14:30:49 <YvesS> <p> Text <term>term in <b its:term="no">bold</b></term>...</p>
14:32:06 <YvesS> <p> Text <term>term in <b its:term="yes">bold</b></term>...</p>
14:32:31 <rahtz> <term its:term="no">term in <b its:term="yes">bold</b></term>
14:33:28 <fsasaki> Felix: what is the use case of local  its:term="no" ?
14:33:52 <fsasaki> Yves: e.g. a local override for globally "this is a term" selected markup
14:34:49 <rahtz> <term>term in <b its:term="yes">bold</b> hello</term>
14:35:18 <fsasaki> Yves: Sebastian's example would be two terms
14:36:16 <rahtz> <term><kw>hoover</kw></term>
14:36:52 <rahtz> <foo its:term="yes"><bar its:term="no">hello</bar></foo>
14:37:04 <rahtz> <foo its:term="yes"><bar its:term="yes">hello</bar></foo>
14:37:58 <chriLi> I'll be back in a minute
14:37:59 <fsasaki> Sebastian: you can always take an element with all its textual content and say "this is a term"
14:38:03 <rahtz> <kw>2<sup>nd</sup></kw?
14:38:10 <fsasaki> Felix: there is no inheritance here
14:39:17 <fsasaki> Yves: the selection mechanism is different here: the whole content is not overriden
14:42:15 <fsasaki> .. there is a need to change the processing expectations
14:42:22 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/People/fsasaki/archforms-css-rdf
14:42:29 <fsasaki> Figure 7
14:42:48 <fsasaki> appliesTo = attribute appliesTo { "onlyElements" | "elementsAndAttributes" | "none" }
14:43:57 <fsasaki> Felix: that solved the problem in my implementation
14:44:07 <fsasaki> Yves: in the case of term, it would be "none"?
14:44:10 <fsasaki> Felix: yes
14:44:52 <fsasaki> Yves: we need to change this in the table in sec. 6.1
14:45:39 <fsasaki> action: Everybody to thing about how to make a change to the table in sec. 6.1 to accomodate the case of interitance="no" 
14:46:12 <fsasaki> topic: other action items
14:46:24 <fsasaki> action: Yves to get DocBook feedback from Norm (POSTPONED)
14:47:00 <fsasaki> topic: f2f meeting
14:47:19 <fsasaki> Yves: only me and Felix come to Boulder
14:47:37 <fsasaki> .. Felix proposed to have a zakim bridge for the three days, 8 hours each day
14:47:57 <fsasaki> .. I was concerned about the time difference and thought about a meeting at the beginning
14:49:49 <fsasaki> Sebastian: more than one hour is not feasable
14:51:50 <fsasaki> Felix: I'm only concerned about the delay
14:54:22 <fsasaki> .. would it be possible to have two hours each day?
14:54:30 <fsasaki> Sebastian: have to check
14:54:39 <fsasaki> Christian: maybe not
14:55:12 <fsasaki> Yves: how about scheduling the call and see who can come?
14:55:38 <fsasaki> Felix: sure
14:56:56 <fsasaki> Sebastian: so we have the same time as the regular call for three days, two hours?
14:57:50 <Zakim> -Sebastian_Rahtz
15:03:51 <Zakim> -ChriLi
15:15:47 <Zakim> -Yves_Savourel
15:15:48 <Zakim> -Felix
15:15:49 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
15:15:51 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix, Yves_Savourel, Sebastian_Rahtz, ChriLi, Andrzej_Zydron
15:15:54 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:15:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
15:19:59 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:19:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
16:07:38 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
16:07:38 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-i18nits-actions.rdf :
16:07:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to look where WD need to be changed for adding term="yes|no" (DONE) [1]
16:07:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-i18nits-irc#T14-04-32
16:07:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to add a bugzilla entry on inheritance issues with terminology [2]
16:07:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-i18nits-irc#T14-14-38
16:07:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Everybody to thing about how to make a change to the table in sec. 6.1 to accomodate the case of interitance="no"  [3]
16:07:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-i18nits-irc#T14-45-39
16:07:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to get DocBook feedback from Norm (POSTPONED) [4]
16:07:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/30-i18nits-irc#T14-46-24
16:07:41 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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