IRC log of i18nits on 2006-04-05

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meeting: i18n ITS working group

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chair: Yves

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scribe: Felix

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scribeNick: fsasaki

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0007.html

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+ +1.303.516.aaaa

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+[IPcaller]

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- +1.303.516.aaaa

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+ +1.303.516.aaaa

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see +1.303.516.aaaa, [IPcaller]

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On IRC I see RRSAgent, chriLi, Zakim, fsasaki, YvesS

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zakim, [IPcaller is Felix

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+Felix; got it

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zakim, [1.303.516.aaaa is Yves

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sorry, fsasaki, I do not recognize a party named '[1.303.516.aaaa'

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zakim, +1.303.516.aaaa is Yves

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+Yves; got it

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zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see Yves, Felix

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On IRC I see RRSAgent, chriLi, Zakim, fsasaki, YvesS

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+??P15

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zakim, ??P15 is Christian

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+Christian; got it

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regrets: Sebastian, Andrzej

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topic: action items

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topic: versioning

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http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=2876

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Yves: last summary was to have an its:version attribute, to put at the top of the document

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.. Martin had some comments about the future version

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Felix: would it be in the rules element as well?

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Yves: if it is an external file which is not linked

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.. if it has a version, you take the rules from the top level element in that file

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.. XSLT puts the version in the root element as well

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Christian: I'd go for a version attribute both at the top of the doc and the rules element

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Felix: XSLT way:

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[[[Definition: There are a number of standard attributes that may appear on any XSLT element: specifically version, exclude-result-prefixes, extension-element-prefixes, xpath-default-namespace, default-collation, and use-when.]]]

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Yves: rules can have their own version, they are prossed before the other ones

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Christian: We could say: If you include a rules element

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.. in your document, you could put the version identifier in the rules element

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.. if you don't have a rules element, then put it on the top most element of the host vocabulary

14:16:21 [chriLi]

test

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Yves: do we need that for version 1?

14:17:35 [chriLi]

We don't want this, right? <foo its:version="1.0"><its:documentRules xmlns:its="http://www.w3.org/2005/11/its" its:version="1.0">

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Yves: why not?

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.. the rules element is s.t. you can link

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.. so it may be of a different version

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Christian: you should have either

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Yves: summary: either a version number at the top of the document, or in the rules element

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Christian: no, always in the rules element

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Yves: what if you would have both?

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Felix: for the top of the document, the version attribute at the root element counts, for the rules element, the mandatory attribute at the rules element

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Yves: how about having a version attribute at top of the document only? That could be used for external rules as well

14:27:14 [chriLi]

I suggest: It is incorrect to have its:version at the top-level if there exists an its:Rules

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I suggest: It is incorrect to have its:version at the top-level if there exists an its:Rules

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Yves: if you have rules, it is the rules version

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.. if you have local only, it is local only, if you have both, it is the rules which wins

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Diane: I think we need that information somewhere

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Yves: we can try that

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.. so let's go for that

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action: Yves to write a paragraph on versioning for the tagset draft

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topic: Decide on term "localization properties"

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Yves: everybody agrees that we will have no change on this?

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action: Yves to summarize the terminology discussion on "localization properties"

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topic: Decide on term "data category"

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Yves: again agreement

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action: Yves to summarize "loc prop" discussion

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topic: conformance section

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Yves: any further comments?

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.. according for our schedule, that will be an item this week

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topic: further action items

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action: Editor's of the techniques document: give examples how to use its:locInfoRef (ONGOING)

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Yves: if you have comments, please tell me

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Felix: we could use the period of ITS tagset last call for that

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action: Richard to describe an additional level of conformance for Ruby (PENDING)

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action: Felix to remind Richard of ruby additional level

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action: Spec editors to integrate discussion result about bugs 2881,2,3 (PENDING)

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Yves: we wait until Friday to see if people agree

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action: Felix to write a mail to the data category thread (DROPPED)

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action: Yves to see what problems could happen if there is no prefix at rule elements? (DONE)

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Yves: I tried that with my implementations, but there were no problems

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Felix: in the next draft, it will still be with prefixes, due to editing problems

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action: Yves to write a mail about his finding about the usage of "overriding" (DONE)

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Yves: even Richard used "overriding"

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.. Sebastian gave two definitions

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action: Sebastian to give feedback on the overriding change proposal, Diane to look at it again

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topic: last call preparation

14:46:51 [YvesS]

http://www.w3.org/International/its/itstagset/itstagset.html

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Felix: please give feedback of my changes with regard to syntax changes

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Christian: I made only initial changes

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.. it will be a section "introduction" and "basic concepts"

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.. I will work on it later today, and tomorrow

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Yves: how about publishing on Friday?

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Felix: o.k., Friday next week

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.. with final input of Christian on Friday this week

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.. as for groups, please tell me from whom you want to have feedback

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yves: how about XSLT people?

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christian: is it good design to have localizable in XSLT?

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yves: it is reality

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action: everybody to think about which W3C working groups shoud comment on the tagset last call draft

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topic: topics for next week

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yves: conformance to be finalized

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.. element within text

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.. ruby

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action: everybody to look at rescheduling proposed at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006AprJun/0001.html

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topic: next face-to-face meeting (after Oxford)

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felix: end of last call period would be good

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yves: how about specific locations?

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yves: I would propose "Boulder"

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.. it is far for people in Europe

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-Diane_Stoick

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felix: as we discuss last call issues, we need as many people as possible

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topic: XTech paper

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felix: deadline is http://xtech06.usefulinc.com/content/speakers

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-Felix

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-Yves

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.. first create input to tag set draft, then to the XTech paper

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Yves: on Friday, we will discuss Christian's changes

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-Christian

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I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were [IPcaller], Felix, Yves, Christian, Diane_Stoick

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present: Christian, Diane, Felix, Yves

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rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/04/05-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki

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Hi Christian, Hi Diane

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bye

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