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ACTION: [PENDING] Mark work on a first draft of an RDF/A XHTML 1.1 module [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/06-htmltf-minutes.html#action01]
Mark: did some work but not ready to send it
ACTION: Jeremy look into the XHTML namespace issue and write thoughts into email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/06-htmltf-minutes.html#action02] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Ben talk off-line with Jeremy about a realistic implementation schedule [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/21-htmltf-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
Ralph: we don't have a schedule yet, so keep this open
ACTION: Ben to draft full response to Bjoern's 2004 email [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/24-swbp-minutes.html#action03] [CONTINUES]
Ben: I circulated a draft off-list last night but it had some old material in it
ACTION: Mark, Steven, and Ralph respond to Ben's off-list draft of response to Bjoern [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/13-htmltf-minutes.html#action05]
ACTION: Jeremy followup on HEAD about= edge case [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-swbp-minutes#action03] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Jeremy followup with Mark on the question of multiple triples from nested meta and add to issues list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-swbp-minutes#action01] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: Jeremy propose wording on reification [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-swbp-minutes#action02] [CONTINUES]
ACTION: once Steven sends editors' draft of XHTML2, all TF members take a look and comment on showstopper issues only [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/06-htmltf-minutes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
Steven: had to spend all week on XForms document so XHTML2 editors' draft not yet done
ACTION: [DONE] Ralph add a sentence to 2.2.3 pointing to a citation for the triples syntax [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/13-htmltf-minutes.html#action09]
ACTION: Steven draft a WWW2006 Developer's Track proposal [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/02/21-htmltf-minutes.html#action16] [CONTINUES]
Ben: my travel funding is not yet fully resolved but I've been told I will be able to attend WWW2006
Mark: Mark Seaborne is managing the XForms issues list, so his interest in RDF/A is valuable. MarkS also lives in Edinburgh
Ben: should the talk be a 'coming out' party for RDF/A -- showing what it is, or should it focus on applications of RDF/A?
Steven: Dev Track talks could be lightning talks or could be longer; it's up to us
Mark: my XTech talk proposal on RDF/A was accepted; it will be on building metadata applications. I expect to include demos in the talk. XTech is the week before WWW2006. The Sidewinder implementation is coming along; I may include lots of demos
Ben: I've been looking into greasemonkey more. I may be able to show bookmarklet triples popping up as you browse but I'm having trouble pulling out LINK and META from the DOM tree since they don't validate. LINK and META in the body disappear from the DOM in FireFox and Safari
Mark: have you tried in XHTML mode?
Ben: I'll check this
Mark: in XHTML mode it's supposed to leave elements that are in foreign namespaces
ACTION: Ben update his bookmarklet for XHTML mode [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/13-htmltf-minutes.html#action12]
Ben: my bookmarklet test data is stuff on my home page plus plus some Uniprot data as it has CC license data. It's interesting to see what is extracted from blogs that have a lot of microformat markup
Mark: FormsPlayer permits sidebars to be built so I can show metadata changing in the sidebar as you browse
<benadida> talk and RDF/A bookmarklet
Ben: Joi Ito's blog has a lot of microformat markup
<Zakim> RalphS, you wanted to talk about shutr.net
<Steven> WWW2006 Developers' Track
Ralph: duration of WWW2006 talk? I suggest 30-45 mins.
Steven: [reading from WWW2006 Dev Track CFP] microformats and SemWeb technologies are considered horizontal technologies
Mark: perhaps propose 2 talks: one describing the language and another with lots of demos
Ben: solicitation suggests limit of 20 mins per presentation
ACTION: Ben draft WWW2006 proposal for talk describing RDF/A language [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/13-htmltf-minutes.html#action13]
ACTION: Mark draft WWW2006 proposal for RDF/A demos talk [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/13-htmltf-minutes.html#action14]
Ben: I think of 3 interesting demos:
... 1. with a special browser such as FormsPlayer
... 2. with news readers
... 3. with greasemonkey showing that there are current applications that are
very close to being RDF/A capable
Mark: Piggy Bank is another option; it just needs XSLT integration
Mark: I'll write a talk proposal based on those 3 threads
ACTION: Ben start separate mail threads on remaining discussion topics [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/12/06-swbp-minutes#action04] [CONTINUES]
<benadida> Issues List
-> Current Outstanding Issues - Updated [Ben 2006-02-24]
Ben: issue 8 was a crazy idea I had; given what we think about reification these days I'm prepared to retract it
-> 8. Reifying Any Statement, not just link or meta.
Ralph: propose to defer issue 8 to version 2, where "version 2" means some future version of the language
Mark: not clear the example in the issues list is a reified statement anyway
RESOLVED: issue 8 deferred
Ben: the idea in issue 10 was that the rel on the UL applied to all the LIs. It is not clear we see a big need for this particular feature
Ralph: I think generally we should not add inheritance unless there's a clear need. More inheritance adds complexity
<Steven> I think I agree that only about inherits
Mark: in this example hrefs are contained within an element. In the original whitepaper there was lots of inheritance. This did get tricky for some people so I don't mind leaving it out
Steven: when I tried this out a while ago I came to the conclusion that only 'about' should inherit otherwise there are lots of unexpected effects
RESOLVED: issue 10 closed; no additional inheritance
Ben: open issues are linked from the top of the issues list
Ben: we talked about a repository of schemas & ontologies. That is part of a larger Sem Web Activity issue, so let's defer that in the TF. But I'd like to see a marketing page pointing to RDF/A examples
<MarkB_> skimstone.x-port.net
Mark: I have a site using drupal with forms, RSS feeds from XForms blogs. The central idea is showing use of W3C languages to generate applications; XForms + SVG + ... We're going to put examples of sidebars here. It will probably be very techy-oriented, also likely to have RDF/A tutorials there. That site may be too techy to be the main site for RDF/A marketing
Ralph: separate from w3.org ?
Ben: yes, I think an RDF/A marketing effort separate from W3C could help. I'm willing to put in some time to set up a site on another Web hosting facility
Mark: this feels along the lines of CSS zen garden; it's the community kicking-in and helping. We should coordinate to figure out the message, what the site would look like. When we did the xforms wiki, we had trouble making the structure "feel right. "Should this be just a blog? something more? There are lots of ways to do this. It has to be easy to update otherwise it will be stagnant
ACTION: Ben to develop a plan for a marketing/news web site about RDF/A and send it to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/13-htmltf-minutes.html#action16]
<Steven> "redflag" contains the characters r d f a in order
<Steven> (thinking of alternate names)