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Comment LC-2069

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Commenter: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>

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[Free text description]Document as a wholeContent Transformation Guidelines 1.0 Abstract Status of this Document Table of Contents Appendices 1 Introduction (Non-Normative) 1.1 Purpose 1.2 Audience 1.3 Scope 1.4 Summary of Requirements 2 Terminology (Normative) 2.1 Types of Proxy "A transparent proxy is a proxy that does not modify the req... A non-transparent proxy is a proxy that modifies the request... 2.2 Types of Transformation Restructuring content is a process whereby the original layo... Recoding content is a process whereby the layout of the cont... Optimizing content includes removing redundant white space,... 3 Conformance (Normative) 3.1 Classes of Product 3.2 Normative and Informative Parts 3.3 Normative Language for Conformance Requirements 3.4 Content Deployment Conformance 3.5 Transformation Deployment Conformance 4 Behavior of Components (Normative) 4.1 Proxy Forwarding of Request 4.1.1 Applicable HTTP Methods 4.1.2 no-transform directive in Request 4.1.3 Treatment of Requesters that are not Web browsers 4.1.4 Serving Cached Responses 4.1.5 Alteration of HTTP Header Values In this section, the concept of "Web site" is used (rather t... 4.1.5.1 Content Tasting 4.1.5.2 Avoiding "Request Unacceptable" Responses 4.1.5.3 User Selection of Restructured Experience 4.1.5.4 Sequence of Requests 4.1.5.5 Original Headers 4.1.6 Additional HTTP Headers 4.1.6.1 Proxy Treatment of Via Header 4.2 Server Response to Proxy 4.2.1 Use of HTTP 406 Status 4.2.2 Server Origination of Cache-Control: no-transform Including a Cache-Control: no-transform directive can disrup... 4.2.3 Varying Representations 4.2.3.1 Use of Vary HTTP Header 4.2.3.2 Indication of Intended Presentation Media Type of Representation 4.3 Proxy Forwarding of Response to User Agent 4.3.1 Receipt of Cache-Control: no-transform 4.3.2 Receipt of Warning: 214 Transformation Applied 4.3.3 Server Rejection of HTTP Request 4.3.4 Receipt of Vary HTTP Header 4.3.5 Link to "handheld" Representation 4.3.6 Proxy Decision to Transform 4.3.6.1 Alteration of Response 4.3.6.2 HTTPS Link Re-writing 5 Testing (Normative) A References B Example Transformation Interactions (Non-Normative) B.1 Basic Content Tasting by Proxy B.2 Optimization based on Previous Server Interaction B.3 Optimization based on Previous Server Interaction, Server has Changed its Operation B.4 Server Response Indicating that this Representation is Intended for the Target Device B.5 Server Response Indicating that another Representation is Intended for the Target Device C Applicability to Transforming Solutions which are Out of Scope (Non-Normative) D Scope for Future Work (Non-Normative) D.1 POWDER D.2 link HTTP Header D.3 Sources of Device Information D.4 Inter Proxy Communication D.5 Amendment to and Refinement of HTTP E Administrative Arrangements (Non-Normative) F Acknowledgments (Non-Normative)
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open proposal pending resolved_yes resolved_no resolved_partial other assigned to Nobody

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Comment:

* Section 4.1.3 "Proxies must act as though a no-transform directive
is present (see 4.1.2 no-transform directive in Request) unless they
are able positively to determine that the user agent is a Web
browser." How do they positively" determine this? Using heuristics is
far from a guaranteed mechanism. Moreover, what is the reasoning
behind this? If the intent is to only allow transformation of content
intended for presentation to humans, it would be better to say that.
In any case, putting a MUST-level requirement on this seems strange.

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WG Notes: See: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/20-bpwg-minutes.html#item03 Final resolution: - ref LC-2069. Resolved yes, with the replacement text: Before altering aspects of an HTTP request proxies ought to take account of the fact that HTTP is used as a transport mechanism for many other applications than "Traditional Browsing" and that alteration of HTTP requests for those applications can cause serious misoperation.

Resolution: We agree that there is no applicable mechanism to determine that the user agent is a Web browser, and have removed any normative statement from the section. The section was substantially reworded and now refers to the notion of "Traditional Browsing". The updated text is available at: http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-ct-guidelines-20091006/Overview.html#sec-non-web-browsers

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