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14:45:07 <fsasaki> meeting: i18n ITS working group
14:45:11 <fsasaki> chair: Yves
14:45:15 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
14:45:19 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
14:45:48 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0140.html
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15:00:51 <fsasaki> zakim, dial felix-home
15:00:51 <Zakim> ok, fsasaki; the call is being made
15:00:52 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has now started
15:00:53 <Zakim> +Felix
15:01:56 <Zakim> +Yves_Savourel
15:03:32 <Zakim> +??P20
15:03:51 <fsasaki> zakim, ??P20 is Christian
15:03:51 <Zakim> +Christian; got it
15:03:54 <r12a> zakim, dial ishida
15:03:54 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:03:56 <Zakim> +Ishida
15:04:42 <r12a> zakim, mute ishida
15:04:42 <Zakim> Ishida should now be muted
15:05:02 <fsasaki> zakim, who is here?
15:05:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Felix, Yves_Savourel, Christian, Ishida (muted)
15:05:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see YvesS, r12a, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
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15:05:41 <fsasaki> regrets: Sebastian, Andrzej
15:06:21 <YvesS> zakim who is noisy?
15:06:31 <r12a> zakim, who is using a geiger counter ?
15:06:31 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, r12a.
15:06:33 <fsasaki> zakim, who is noisy?
15:06:43 <Zakim> fsasaki, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Felix (24%), Yves_Savourel (37%), Christian (59%)
15:07:29 <r12a> ok
15:07:34 <r12a> zakim, unmute ishida
15:07:34 <Zakim> Ishida should no longer be muted
15:07:38 <fsasaki> topic: f2f meeting
15:08:02 <fsasaki> yves: currently we thought of the two weeks after www conference
15:08:07 <fsasaki> .. and the xtech conference
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15:08:59 <fsasaki> .. we thought of may 31-2
15:09:14 <fsasaki> richard: I might have to attend an SSML workshop
15:09:22 <fsasaki> .. I need to get confirmation on this
15:09:43 <fsasaki> yves: I don't know if we would have a sponsor for that location
15:09:50 <fsasaki> richard: why did you plan that time?
15:10:03 <fsasaki> yves: it was hard to commit people for the other two weeks
15:10:36 <fsasaki> .. maybe we should wait and see if it is a problem
15:10:43 <fsasaki> richard: I will find out asap
15:10:49 <fsasaki> topic: action items
15:10:52 <r12a> zakim, mute ishida
15:10:52 <Zakim> Ishida should now be muted
15:11:00 <fsasaki> action: Continue conformance discussion on the mailing list. (ONGOING)
15:11:11 <fsasaki> yves: Christian and Felix worked on it
15:11:27 <fsasaki> zakim, mute Christian
15:11:27 <Zakim> Christian should now be muted
15:14:13 <fsasaki> felix describes the rationale for the mail on conformance
15:14:33 <fsasaki> felix: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its/2006JanMar/0231.html
15:14:52 <fsasaki> action items 2,3,4: all done
15:15:03 <fsasaki> action: Yves to send something on docbook before the tech plenary to the list. (DONE)
15:15:10 <fsasaki> Yves: Norm sent an answer
15:15:48 <fsasaki> Felix: Sebastian and me might meet Norm next week
15:16:03 <fsasaki> action: All to think of how to organize examples inside and outside the specification. (ONGOING)
15:16:08 <fsasaki> Yves: has to do with test suites
15:16:33 <fsasaki> ..and related to discussion on editor call, of sharing the examples between the techniques / tagset document
15:16:55 <fsasaki> action: Christian and Felix to provide examples for tests, and see if we can come up with a common set of conf level (DROP)
15:17:06 <fsasaki> Yves: this is like the other action item above
15:17:22 <fsasaki> action: Everybody to read the specification and comment until the publication date. (DONE)
15:17:48 <fsasaki> felix: the draft will be published on the 22nd (today)
15:18:01 <fsasaki> action: Felix to add a strong statement on the top of the document about "editors" copy. (PENDING)
15:18:10 <fsasaki> action: Owners of the modularizations to keep working on them. (ONGOING)
15:18:16 <chriLi> Unmute
15:18:42 <fsasaki> christian: as for DITA:
15:18:54 <fsasaki> .. I would like to do s.t. similar as Yves has done for DocBook
15:19:09 <fsasaki> .. he sent suggestions to Norm as the maintainer of the DocBook schema
15:19:19 <fsasaki> .. and asked him if this is the right way to do it
15:19:35 <fsasaki> .. I could also suggest at the next DITA sub TC call 
15:19:48 <fsasaki> .. that somebody from DITA takes ITS and see how it works with DITA
15:20:04 <fsasaki> .. in DocBook, you have e.g. specialization layers
15:20:14 <fsasaki> .. which might be a challenge for integration of ITS
15:20:25 <fsasaki> .. in DITA, you have other schema design issues
15:20:30 <fsasaki> yves: good idea
15:20:38 <fsasaki> .. you might provide them with something
15:21:23 <chriLi> zakim, mute Christian
15:21:23 <Zakim> Christian should now be muted
15:21:32 <fsasaki> .. take an example of DITA+ITS
15:21:43 <fsasaki> yves: we have not heard from Damian
15:21:46 <fsasaki> .. and open doc
15:21:59 <fsasaki> .. I asked him last week, I'll send an reminder next week
15:22:07 <fsasaki> yves: I started also s.t. on XHTML
15:22:17 <fsasaki> action: Yves to work on XHTML + ITS modularization
15:22:25 <fsasaki> yves: the problem with XHTML I had was:
15:22:36 <fsasaki> .. as they describe how to have MathML
15:22:47 <fsasaki> .. they say that this makes the document invalid
15:23:00 <fsasaki> .. I don't know how to address that, but make a note on it
15:23:17 <fsasaki> topic: let's go through the current bugs
15:23:22 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=ITS
15:23:59 <fsasaki> yves: 2618: proposal from "translateAddinfo"
15:24:05 <fsasaki> .. it was from Francois, I think
15:24:13 <fsasaki> .. we should address it at some point
15:25:56 <fsasaki> felix: we don't have to address this now
15:26:05 <fsasaki> .. only if the comment is made during last call
15:26:10 <chriLi> zakim, unmute Christian
15:26:10 <Zakim> Christian should no longer be muted
15:26:21 <fsasaki> yves: 2619 Complexity of precedence rules for "scope" (or "selectors")
15:26:30 <fsasaki> Christian: on 2618 again:
15:26:40 <fsasaki> .. can we not close this one now?
15:27:05 <fsasaki> .. is this not a part of translation properties?
15:27:50 <fsasaki> action: Felix to close 2618 and write a mail to Francois about it
15:27:59 <fsasaki> Christian: I see the same need as Francois sees
15:28:10 <fsasaki> .. I only think that this is not the scope of ITS
15:28:31 <fsasaki> Yves: we have to make clear that we only address localizability issues, not the localization process
15:28:41 <chriLi> zakim, mute Christian
15:28:41 <Zakim> Christian should now be muted
15:28:58 <r12a> zakim, who's muted?
15:28:58 <Zakim> I see Christian, Ishida muted
15:30:40 <fsasaki> felix: how about closing this, and to go to Francois?
15:30:43 <fsasaki> yves: ok.
15:31:02 <fsasaki> action: felix to close 2619 and to go back to Francois
15:31:29 <fsasaki> yves: 2761: part of conformance discussion
15:31:43 <fsasaki> .. 2808: not in the spec, but we have a proposal
15:32:05 <fsasaki> s/spec/spec yet
15:32:50 <fsasaki> action: felix to write s.t. about comment 2808 in the spec and close the comment
15:33:03 <fsasaki> yves: 2876
15:33:07 <fsasaki> .. about versioning
15:33:17 <fsasaki> .. important issue, where was some discussion
15:33:24 <fsasaki> .. how should we address that?
15:33:32 <fsasaki> .. there are two parts to that:
15:33:39 <fsasaki> .. the version number in the URI
15:33:57 <fsasaki> .. and there is version information in the markup
15:34:23 <fsasaki> .. the latter could be addressed via namespace differences or an "version" attribute
15:34:55 <fsasaki> felix: I would not change the namespace UIR
15:34:59 <fsasaki> s/UIR/URI
15:35:03 <fsasaki> Yves: seems good
15:35:10 <chriLi> What do the CSS and XSL guys do?
15:35:38 <fsasaki> christian: I'm not sure if I am clear about the topic:
15:35:48 <fsasaki> .. versioning the spec versus versioning the tag set
15:36:20 <fsasaki> yves: I had a confusion about the URI of the spec, versus the URI of the namespace
15:38:05 <fsasaki> felix: the versioning story could be only a story of the "ITS markup declaration" product
15:38:19 <fsasaki> action: Yves to write s.t. about versioning for the tagset document
15:38:31 <fsasaki> Yves: bug 2877
15:38:42 <fsasaki> .. the data category
15:39:14 <fsasaki> christian: I had a look at dita and docbook
15:39:25 <fsasaki> .. and tried to figure out how it works
15:39:35 <fsasaki> .. this might concern other data categories as well
15:40:10 <fsasaki> .. questions where: should we have in the techniques document s.t. about equivelant markup?
15:40:22 <fsasaki> .. e.g. should we go for DITA or ITS markup?
15:40:36 <fsasaki> .. that is important for other data categories as well
15:41:25 <fsasaki> .. the other point was on how to relate existing terminology markup to ITS markup / the term data category
15:43:39 <fsasaki> action: christian to make a bug on the relation between existing markup and data categories
15:43:45 <chriLi> zakim, mute Christian
15:43:45 <Zakim> Christian should now be muted
15:43:57 <fsasaki> yves: 2878
15:47:09 <fsasaki> .. I will try the same thing for segmentation 
15:47:19 <fsasaki> felix: how about having deadlines for making progress?
15:48:14 <fsasaki> yves: o.k.
15:48:23 <fsasaki> felix: will write an inital proposal to yves
15:49:30 <fsasaki> yves: bugs 2881,2,3 have been tackled at the editors call
15:50:07 <fsasaki> action: tag set editors to integrate discussion result about bugs 2881,2,3 (results from editor's call) into the tagset document
15:50:19 <fsasaki> yves: bug 2890
15:50:29 <fsasaki> action: felix to integrate bug 2890 into the tag set document
15:50:39 <YvesS> http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0601Techniques
15:50:41 <fsasaki> topic: techniques document
15:51:09 <fsasaki> yves: I made some change, after Christian's proposal
15:51:22 <fsasaki> .. it is more clear, but I still have not managed to put the localizer here
15:51:47 <fsasaki> .. I added some entries for ruby etc.
15:51:54 <fsasaki> .. currently they are only placeholders
15:52:02 <fsasaki> .. most of the entries are currently empty
15:52:13 <fsasaki> .. one thing we could discuss: language specification
15:52:19 <fsasaki> .. see first item of sec. 2
15:52:22 <YvesS> http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0601TechLangDev
15:53:29 <r12a> zakim, unmute ishida
15:53:29 <Zakim> Ishida should no longer be muted
15:55:27 <fsasaki> felix: how about adding a language attribute to ITS?
15:55:49 <fsasaki> richard: the xml:lang attribute definition says "rfc 3066 or its successor"
15:55:56 <fsasaki> .. xml:lang exists, and it should be used
15:56:09 <fsasaki> .. it is not a vague statement "or its successor"
15:56:24 <fsasaki> .. I hope that the IETF will clarify the situation soon
15:56:51 <fsasaki> .. we need to check the matching draft though
15:58:45 <fsasaki> .. we should not define what the values for our own
16:01:05 <fsasaki> action: felix to bring the xml:lang question to the core group (esp. Mark, also Addison)
16:01:29 <Zakim> -Christian
16:02:24 <YvesS> zakim, who is here?
16:02:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Felix, Yves_Savourel, Ishida
16:02:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see GoutamSaha, YvesS, r12a, RRSAgent, Zakim, fsasaki
16:04:05 <GoutamSaha> Bye, Goodnight everyone
16:26:10 <Zakim> -Felix
16:26:12 <Zakim> -Ishida
16:26:13 <Zakim> -Yves_Savourel
16:26:14 <Zakim> I18N_TS()10:00AM has ended
16:26:15 <Zakim> Attendees were Felix, Yves_Savourel, Christian, Ishida
16:29:46 <fsasaki> rrsagent, make log public
16:29:53 <fsasaki> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:29:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/22-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
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