IRC log of ua on 2006-01-19

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19:01:48 [JR]
Zakim, this will be UAWG
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ok, JR, I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM already started
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+[IBM]
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Agenda +Review the following last call documents: Compound Document by Reference Framework 1.0, Web Integration Compound Document (WICD) Core 1.0, WICD Full 1.0
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Meeting: WAI UAWG
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Scribe: JR
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+Jim_Allan
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Chair: Jim_Allan
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Regrets: David P.
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Zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Review the following last call documents: Compound Document by Reference Framework 1.0, Web Integration Compound Document (WICD) Core 1.0, WICD Full 1.0" taken up [from
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... JR]
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CL: Discussed with Rich
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CL: How do you maintain UI consistency with different embedded objects...
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CL: plus if its seamless user might not realize they are in a differnt type.
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JA: SVG viewer experience, viewer couldn't be scaled
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JA: Even though what's in the view can be expanded.
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JA: Assume everyhting will generate DOM nodes?
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CL: Is it one DOM or multiple?
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CL: So far concentrated on keyboard issues.
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CL: Also talked with Rich about how to expose info in SVG and MathML.
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JR: The dream seems to be one harmonized experience
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cl: how is keyboard interaction harmonized between different tools
19:17:30 [JR]
CL: But in my experience each part is made by someone different, so harmonization is difficult..
19:18:06 [jallan]
accesskey conflict, are a problem.
19:18:28 [jallan]
User agent or AT must negotiate keybindings
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CL: Early cases of Flash+HTML showed problems.
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JR: These docs seemed to assume very strong UA support or highly harmonized UA+plugins
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JA: UA guidelines assumed one UA (or very tightled harmonized)
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CL: Another issue...voiceXML...related to interaction between voiceXML author's expectations and AT running on top.
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JA: Also WebAPI group looking at conflicting API's. "Web-API" working group
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CL: Considering accessibility API's?
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JA: Prob. not.
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CL: DO group used to look at things at lower level.
19:27:33 [jallan]
DOm issues: all document types have different DOM. In unix world us using the accessibility api to harmonize doms
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through ATK and ATSPI
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there is a bridge that bridges these 2 apis together to share information.
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I'm back.
19:29:10 [jallan]
Linux world is working on building this harmonization.
19:30:09 [JR]
JR: comments on these docs can be sent back as just a list of comments
19:30:49 [JR]
JA: Which are our (UA) probs, which are "their" probs.
19:31:29 [JR]
JA: e.g. security...
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JR: Is there an accessibility angle to that?
19:34:53 [JR]
JA: In reference framework, 2.3 Link Activation, behaviour of nested hyperlinks...
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JA: in an SVG there could be links nested inside each other.
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JA: What's the keyboard nav for that scenario?
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CL: It's a bit like a map...
19:39:07 [JR]
CL: There's a default link, but how do you get ot the others?
19:40:47 [JR]
JR: I also think 6.3.1 Two Dimensional Focus Navigation (Flat, Graphical, Joystick) is an important area to look at
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Action CL: Will ask Aaron to look through this from Firefox perspecitve
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action JA: Will come up with a list of issues for discussion on list.
19:48:06 [JR]
JR: Interactivity should be common throughout (ui of all containers should be the same)
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JA: Object element in HTML is an example of uneven interactivity.
19:50:43 [JR]
CL: root problem is the API's.
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CL: Maybe one day W3C stuff will harmonize but external formats always a problem.
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JR: Browsers are building in more native support...
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CL: Still long way to go. But then again maybe SVG will be as full-featured as Flash someday.
19:53:30 [jallan]
cl: java embedded within an html page, with accessibility API, then need Java Access bridge to share information. too many layers.
19:54:02 [JR]
Zakim, close agendum 1
19:54:02 [Zakim]
agendum 1, Review the following last call documents: Compound Document by Reference Framework 1.0, Web Integration Compound Document (WICD) Core 1.0, WICD Full 1.0, closed
19:54:05 [Zakim]
I see nothing remaining on the agenda
19:55:20 [Zakim]
-[IBM]
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/01/19-ua-minutes.html JR
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RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
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http://www.w3.org/2006/01/19-ua-minutes.html
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-Jan_Richards
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-Jim_Allan
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WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Jan_Richards, [IBM], Jim_Allan
20:00:12 [jallan]
rrsagent, make logs world-visible
20:57:46 [jallan]
rrsagent, bye
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I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/19-ua-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: CL to Will ask Aaron to look through this from Firefox perspecitve [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/19-ua-irc#T19-42-41
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ACTION: JA to Will come up with a list of issues for discussion on list. [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/01/19-ua-irc#T19-44-58