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<AndyS> DanC - NP - it's just me at the moment :-/
g'day, everyone
<DanC> hi Lee.
howdy, sorry for the time change foul up
<DanC> more my fault than yours, really
Well, I read the "note the time change" part of the agenda, but was rather ET-centric in my interpretation of what it might mean
<jeen> oh crud. completely forgot the daylight savings thingy.
<DanC> you're not alone, jeen
<DanC> Scribe: LeeF
<kendall> I'll help Lee
aww thanks, kendall
<DanC> minutes 25 Oct
<DanC> RESOLVED to accept
RESOLVED to accept http://www.w3.org/2005/10/25-dawg-minutes minutes 25 Oct as true record
<DanC> ACTION: AndyS to Update grammar inline with value testing decision [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-dawg-minutes.html#action01]
<DanC> 7 others cont
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to publish WSDL 1.1 sparql protocol note, contingent on thumbs-up from KC, EricP, Lee/Elias. [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-dawg-minutes.html#action02]
LeeF to ask WSDL WG to review WSDL 1.1 SPARQL protocol stuff, once it is available. [DONE]
ACTION LeeF to ask WSDL WG to review WSDL 1.1 SPARQL protocol stuff, once it is available. [DONE]
I'll get this right, eventually. Sorry for spamming IRC
<scribe> ACTION: LeeF to ask WSDL WG to review WSDL 1.1 SPARQL protocol stuff, once it is available. [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-dawg-minutes.html#action03]
<DanC> 8 Nov conflicts with ISWC. but none of us is going, evidently.
<scribe> ACTION: EricP to fix test schema to match manifest with negative tests [recorded in 09/27-dawg-minutes.html#action16]] [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-dawg-minutes.html#action04]
<EliasT> earlier, please.
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to follow up re optional test based on op:dateTime triple [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-dawg-minutes.html#action05]
<EliasT> 14:30Z works for me
<scribe> ACTION: EricP to respond to "Security Considerations" comment [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-dawg-minutes.html#action06]
<patH> for the record, Im OK with either time.
<scribe> ACTION: ericP to respond to isURI poorly named [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-dawg-minutes.html#action07]
<scribe> ACTION: KendallC to remove uses of "my" in URIs in protocol spec [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-dawg-minutes.html#action08]
<scribe> ACTION: DaveB to add to test suite the temperature case from comment on truth tables in commentor's message [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-dawg-minutes.html#action09]
<scribe> ACTION: AndyS to Update grammar inline with value testing decision [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-dawg-minutes.html#action10]
<AndyS> Action done!
sorry, AndyS
action - 10
nice
<scribe> ACTION: ericP to update sop:isIRI to include the "isuri" synonym [CONTINUED] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-dawg-minutes.html#action11]
<DanC> PROPSED: to meet next 8 Nov 14:30Z...
<DanC> RESOLVED: to meet next 8 Nov 14:30Z, JanneS to scribe
<DanC> note pre-AC publication cut-off of 21 Nov
<kendall> boo hiss
<kendall> w3c should make it *easy* for WGs to publish these kinds of things, IMO
<DanC> sotd of WSDL 1.1 thingy http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-sprot11-20051024/
<kendall> have we tried to judge consensus on the technical approach?
<kendall> seems like we have it, more or less
AndyS: Would like to see something done about querying trees - put something in general DAWG space?
kendall: would like to see as a Note; no cycles to spare.
DanC: critical mass to work on on WG time
<DanC> tx for advice
<DanC> ACTION: Jeen try to reproduces EliasT's protocol testing results [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-dawg-minutes.html#action12]
<franconi> I can join the phone conf. only later :-(
<DanC> roger, franconi
<DanC> ACTION: KC to review sparql-types for xs:any weirdness, w.r.t. WSDL 2.0 constraints [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-dawg-minutes.html#action13]
<DanC> ACTION: DanC to notifty DAWG of WSDL response to our WSDL comments [PENDING] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-dawg-minutes.html#action14]
<DanC> ACTION: KendallC to Send review of SPARQL protocol spec from WS-Desc to DAWG list. [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-dawg-minutes.html#action15]
<kendall> I *think* there have been some proposals re: our pending issue, but I haven't read them yet.
<DanC> (I should mark the wsdlProtocol issue open, shouldn't I?_
<DanC> )
<DanC> ACTION: KendallC to add a modified version of http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#security to protocol editor's draft, as well as a pointer to the section in rq23 itself [CONTINUES] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/11/01-dawg-minutes.html#action16]
<franconi> can we have this item as the last point, so I can join?
<franconi> (unless it ialready the last :-)
<DanC> agenda order = 8, 7
DanC: When is the next time we should publish QL spec?
AndyS: non-LC publication before 21 Nov despite pending editorial issues
<kendall> +1
patH: delay decision on publish of QL pending outcome of semantics issue?
DanC: Because last publish was a
LC publish, would like to do section-by-section change
summary
... Will aim for publishing *something* before 21 Nov
... Charter puts forth closure method for querying graphs -
might have to vote against parametrized entailment
patH: if we restrict to lower than OWL entailment, than it's equivalent to closure and could fall within charter
(please correct me if I'm summarizing wrong!)
<DanC> (we're leaking into issues#rdfSemantics ... note, enrico, call in asap pls)
DanC: need OWL worker example in our test cases -- will it be "extra credit" or standardized?
<enricofranconi> that's me
<enricofranconi> I've just sent a reply to Pat's messages on the semantics to the list
<kendall> just trying to get all the procedural aspects sorted out in my head
DanC: WG members should look for
publication decision around Nov 8 or Nov 15
... can probably do two spread out press releases during CR
during the month of _______ (noun) ?
<DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/weekly-agenda
DanC: looks for flag bearers for pending and open LC comments
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Sep/0013
<DanC> audit is in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/weekly-agenda
<kendall> And if we add more protocol operations in the future, which seems at least *possible*, you end up with even *more* WSDL operations and bindings.
DanC: Would like non-editor support in responding to LC comments
<EliasT> +1
<kendall> well, that leaking can be devilishly useful, modulo other problems
<kendall> for my $$, a cleaner solution would have been to add subqueries, a la iTQL and others
<DanC> (I gather the + 1 was re "we could adjourn and let pat and enrico talk)
<AndyS> Subqueries don't work if you can't construct the subquery without knowing the first result (e.g. one of Ron's example on collections)
<DanC> (time draws near)
<kendall> hmm
<AndyS> { ?x foaf:mbox <mailto:Xyz> . optional { ?x foaf:name ?name } }
<AndyS> Subqueries don't do transitivity needed for list tail.
<AndyS> The <_:abc> form would be a non-std way to do it. And only apply for abstract syntax mode not entailment (RDF, RDFS, OWL)
<AndyS> Needs also Result Set format tweak.
<DanC> ADJOURN.
DanC -- if you can run the magic when you have a chance, I'll clean up and mail out the minutes.
<kendall> i'm not entirely clear how this interacts with entailment, OWL or otherwise.
<DanC> LeeF, do you have what you need to produce a record of today's meeting and mail it to the WG in a day or so?
thanks kindly
thanks, zakim
goodbye, jeen
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