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<scribe> ACTION: Richard to contact person from w3c about feedback from non-wg members (Pending) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/20-i18n-minutes.html#action01]
<scribe> ACTION: Felix to contact person from atom (Pending) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/20-i18n-minutes.html#action02]
<scribe> ACTION: Christian to find a link for the broken link in the req on entities (DONE) did it for the req document, have to check it for the other one [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/20-i18n-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: Yves and Felix to do some work on the WD (DONE) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/20-i18n-minutes.html#action04]
<YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/requirements/
Yves: latest version is from this morning
... has some marker what has been added and deleted
... so
far there are no comments on corrections etc.
... but I found some spelling errors
... any comments on the current document?
... what
do we need do do now?
RI: is everybody to go on with this wd as a first wd?
Yves: asks the question
Tim: yes, just a few spelling errors
az: have not read through it
... should we have another week to review it?
Yves: what do other people think?
Tim: Also did not have the chance to read it.
Yves: so we have to wait for a week.
RI: you could start publication though
Yves: we have to wait until the next conference call
RI: we will publish a week after the call then we vote
az: asks how to use the link checker
Yves: topic is closed, please make commments as soon as possible
<scribe> ACTION: all to make comments as soon as possible to the req document, to have it ready for publication [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/20-i18n-minutes.html#action05]
<YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/
<YvesS> http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0504ReqPurposeSpecMap
<r12a> hi andrej
Yves: could we move ReqPurposeSpecMap to WD?
... no comments, so let's move it to WD
Tim: good.
<az> hi richard
<YvesS> http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0504ReqKeyDefinitions
Yves: part of the introduction
... had no change for a long time
... any comment now?
RI: we tried to define i18n and l10n in the GEO group
... we worked hard in the definitions
... i do
not say "do not do it"
... but people might come back to you and not be satisified with the definition
... will look for something in geo
which is good for this
<scribe> ACTION: RI to get the definition of i18n and l10n from the GEO group [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/20-i18n-minutes.html#action06]
<YvesS> http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0503ReqSpan
Yves: most of the changes have been discussed last time
... this one as wd as well
<r12a> GEO Getting Started material is about to be rewritten, but here is the current wording - see the section 'Key concepts' http://esw.w3.org/topic/geoGettingStartedwithI18n
Yves: Tim, did you look at the copy
... not all changes are reflected on the Wiki pages
Tim: makes a proposal how to solve the problem
Yves: proposal might not work, because the XHTML in the page are different
RI: would be great to cut and paste markup from the XHTML into the Wiki
Yves: a pain are the links in the XHTML
RI: with Amaya, the links would work
... you can edit it online
... wiki has its own format
Yves: good point.
... so push this req to wd
<YvesS> http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505ReqUniqueID
unique identifier
Yves: a long list of comments from many people
... xml:id is now a recommendation, I made the change
<scribe> ACTION: felix to add an example how to fulfil the uniqueness req with xslt and xquery [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/20-i18n-minutes.html#action07]
<YvesS> http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505Translatability
Yves: we have not discussed this req very much
... AZ had some comments, I will try to address them
...
any further comments?
CL: AZ had some comments
... but I don't see them in the Wiki
Yves: AZ HAD the comments, I tried to address them
<YvesS> http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505Translatability?action=diff&rev2=17&rev1=16
Yves: here is the link to the revision
... some of the changes were also in the DITA example
... Tim
made a suggestion, and I tried to address them as well
Tim: tried to scan other the req
... that particular one looks o.k. to me
Yves: in this one we are talking about localization properties
... maybe that one needs a definition
Tim: we have a req document for things the ITS wg will cover
... loc directives is not part of ITS, but of
the ITS implementation
... is loc properties mentioned elsewhere in the doc?
... is this something that should be a proposed solution?
Yves: term is used in the last paragraph of the req
AZ: already addressed this in Berlin
... this req comes up again and again
... there is a great need
for this
Tim: it is very important
... but maybe more in the implementation space
... ITS is not concerned with
the implementation
AZ: I would challenge that
... we need a standard approach of how to do that
... there is a need for
such a standard
Yves: maybe we reword this to make it more generel?
AZ: good suggestion
Yves: Tim, could you come up with a proposed wording?
Tim: ... sure
<scribe> ACTION: Tim to change the wording in the Translatability req [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/20-i18n-minutes.html#action08]
<YvesS> http://esw.w3.org/topic/its0505LimitImpact
Yves: this req was originated from a comment from Norm, brought back from Tim
... most of the changes are
due to Felix comments
CL: question on the summary
... what is the difference between tree structure and the content model
<scribe> ACTION: felix to give examples on schemas with / without ns in the req on limited impact [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/20-i18n-minutes.html#action09]
Yves: any comment, CL?
Yves: no new business
<chriLi> I threw out of IRC. Please unmute.
Yves: new information who will come?
<r12a> you are unmuted christian
Yves: other comments on the f2f?
Yves: please, please, please read the req document!
... post comments, corrections, etc.
... can I
change the document?
RI: You have change marks at the moment.
... people might just see the change marks
Yves: So I should not put the marks?
RI: Either we read all marks
... or the remove the marks and mark up the new stuff
Yves: I wanted to make a change mark cycle between every meeting
RI: good idea
Yves: I will clean up the changes today, publish without mark
<scribe> ACTION: Yves to clean up the changes today, publish without mark [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/20-i18n-minutes.html#action10]
<az> bye