14:57:10 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag
14:57:15 <wendy> RRSAgent, make log world
14:58:52 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has now started
14:58:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:59:45 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper
14:59:48 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
14:59:49 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:00:15 <Michael> zakim, [IPcaller] is Chris_Ridpath
15:00:15 <Zakim> +Chris_Ridpath; got it
15:00:25 <Zakim> +Wendy
15:00:50 <wendy> zakim, attendance?
15:00:50 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, wendy.
15:00:52 <Zakim> +??P25
15:00:59 <ben> zakim, ??P25 is Ben
15:00:59 <Zakim> +Ben; got it
15:01:00 <wendy> zakim, ??P25 is Ben
15:01:00 <Zakim> I already had ??P25 as Ben, wendy
15:01:23 <Zakim> +??P26
15:01:33 <wendy> zakim, ??P26 is Davie
15:01:33 <Zakim> +Davie; got it
15:01:41 <wendy> zakim, Davie is David
15:01:41 <Zakim> +David; got it
15:02:42 <Zakim> +??P29
15:02:54 <wendy> zakim, ??P29 is Ken
15:02:54 <Zakim> +Ken; got it
15:03:02 <Zakim> +??P31
15:03:09 <wendy> zakim, ??P31 is Lisa
15:03:09 <Zakim> +Lisa; got it
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15:03:35 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:04:07 <wendy> zakim, mute lisa
15:04:07 <Zakim> Lisa should now be muted
15:04:27 <Zakim> +Alex_Li
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15:05:14 <David> I think I'm into the Matrix
15:05:32 <wendy> Happy New Year!
15:05:52 <wendy> Chair: Michael
15:05:56 <wendy> Scribe: Wendy
15:06:36 <wendy> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JanMar/0012.html
15:06:46 <David> can someone send url
15:06:53 <wendy> agenda+ Continue reviews of straw poll of test files
15:07:04 <wendy> agenda+ Continue assigning missing techniques
15:09:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:09:57 <Zakim> -Lisa
15:10:00 <wendy> zakim, +[IPcaller] is Alistair
15:10:00 <Zakim> sorry, wendy, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
15:10:16 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:11:31 <Zakim> +Don_Evans
15:11:53 <Zakim> +??P34
15:12:03 <wendy> zakim, ??P34 is Lisa
15:12:09 <Zakim> +Lisa; got it
15:12:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:13:41 <ben> zakim, [IPcaller] is Lisa
15:13:41 <Zakim> +Lisa; got it
15:13:58 <ben> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:13:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Chris_Ridpath, Michael_Cooper, Wendy, Ben, David, Ken, [Microsoft], Alex_Li, Don_Evans, Lisa, Lisa.a
15:14:07 <ben> zakim, Lisa.a is Alistair
15:14:07 <Zakim> +Alistair; got it
15:17:12 <wendy> agenda+ new charter, t.p., csun f2f??
15:17:19 <wendy> zakim, take up item 3
15:17:19 <Zakim> agendum 3. "new charter, t.p., csun f2f??" taken up [from wendy]
15:17:32 <wendy> wac: will be sending info about registration for t.p.
15:17:51 <wendy> wac: t.p. is 28 march - 4 February in Boston. TTF is meeting Mon/Tue.
15:18:10 <wendy> wac: may meet (full wcag wg) after csun (20 and 21 March). still working on logistics.
15:18:13 <David> URL for strawpoll?thx
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15:18:41 <wendy> wac: operating under new charter, and W3C Patent Policy. Instructions on how to rejoin will be sent in the next week or two.
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15:18:56 <wendy> wac: look for emails about all of these things.
15:19:03 <wendy> zakim, close item 3
15:19:03 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
15:19:04 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:19:05 <Zakim> 1. Continue reviews of straw poll of test files [from wendy]
15:19:11 <wendy> zakim, take up item 1
15:19:11 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Continue reviews of straw poll of test files" taken up [from wendy]
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15:21:38 <shadi> zakim, code?
15:21:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 92248 (tel:+1.617.761.6200), shadi
15:21:52 <wendy> Test 135 - Use MathML not images for math.
15:22:07 <wendy> bc: no clear way to provide alternative for mathml. if ua doesn't support, then out of luck.
15:22:16 <Zakim> +Shadi
15:22:52 <wendy> dmd: larger group have a decision about what makes an accessible product (if have a lang that isn't widely used but the ua/plug-in is freely available).
15:23:04 <wendy> ls: question for pf?
15:23:39 <wendy> ls: alternative, use a gif?
15:25:30 <wendy> neil's comment on this test: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0600.html
15:26:12 <wendy> mc: need x-platform disability api that everyone supports.
15:26:53 <Zakim> +John_Slatin
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15:27:37 <Lisa> URL?
15:27:45 <wendy> mc: we http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/group2/results
15:28:54 <wendy> bc: biggest concern - there is no alternative. either support or get nothing. no way to say, this is an equation written in mathml.
15:30:46 <wendy> wac: think xhtml2.0 and/or xinclude provides way to include objects and alternatives. therefore, similar to img/alt/gif where you provide the alternative in the "host" - although not sure.
15:31:16 <wendy> mc: ben's question needs to go to pf. either mathml needs to provide a fallback mechanism or it needs to be used in a way that provides a fallback mechanism.
15:31:30 <Zakim> -Alex_Li
15:32:12 <Zakim> +Alex_Li
15:33:40 <wendy> action: Lisa ask PF about providing alternatives for mathml.  concern that there is not alternative. either support mathml or get nothing. no way to say, "this is an equation written in mathml" or to provide an alternative (a "bridge" for backwards compatibility). Or is there?  is there a way to embed via object or other means?
15:33:51 <wendy> Test 10 - Image must not flicker.
15:34:09 <wendy> bc: "flicker" is not defined. 
15:34:21 <wendy> cr: could modify to say, "haven't quite defined flicker. this test will reflect the success criteria."
15:34:34 <wendy> dmd: what happened to the flicker range that used to exist?
15:34:44 <wendy> bc: it's a different criteria about distraction.
15:35:01 <wendy> Topic: Test 7 - ALT text can't be empty if image is used as an anchor.
15:35:10 <wendy> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/test7.html
15:35:39 <wendy> ls: in WCAG 1.0, said use empty...
15:35:52 <wendy> mc: several ppl mentioned in their comments. thus, this needs clarification.
15:36:00 <wendy> ls: can't be null if contains information.