IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-10-20
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- 08:25:21 [ben]
- advantage of making techniques non-normative is that they can be added to over time to cover things that are missing in current techniques drafts
- 08:28:22 [ben]
- techniques for time-limits (general)
- 08:28:34 [ben]
- avoid automated loops
- 08:29:26 [ben]
- difficult to derive general techniques directly from success criteria
- 08:31:30 [ben]
- tw - why not include general techniques in guidelines?
- 08:32:29 [ben]
- one role of general techniques is to help people understand guidelines
- 08:34:16 [bengt]
- what are the call in instructions ?
- 08:34:36 [ben]
- hi bengt - we're on zakim (same as thursday call)
- 08:35:20 [ben]
- when working from specs to derive techniques, things like the embed element would not be written about
- 08:35:38 [bengt]
- zakim, who is online ?
- 08:35:38 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, bengt.
- 08:35:48 [bengt]
- zakim, who is on the phone ?
- 08:35:48 [Zakim]
- sorry, bengt, I don't know what conference this is
- 08:35:49 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see sh1m, RRSAgent, Zakim, Andi, Michael, David_MacDonald, ben, bengt, sh1mmer
- 08:36:09 [Michael]
- zakim, this is wai
- 08:36:09 [Zakim]
- ok, Michael; that matches WAI_WCAG(f2f)4:00AM
- 08:36:27 [ben]
- there is tension between specs and the code commonly used by authors
- 08:39:26 [ben]
- keyboard interface group (reporting on gateway techniques breakout)
- 08:39:54 [Zakim]
- +??P2
- 08:39:58 [ben]
- issues related to get to each function and each piece within that function (difficult to write)
- 08:40:06 [ben]
- zakim, ??P2 is Bengt
- 08:40:06 [Zakim]
- +Bengt; got it
- 08:40:18 [David_MacDonald]
- hi Bengt..long time no talk
- 08:40:39 [ben]
- is tab order abstract enough for general techniques?
- 08:41:08 [ben]
- discussed using linear and nonlinear keyboard navigation
- 08:41:41 [ben]
- provide options to move through documents in a logical order as well as to skip groups
- 08:42:20 [ben]
- some overlap with navigation mechanisms guidelines?
- 08:42:47 [ben]
- is tab order or navigation into functional groups going too far?
- 08:43:41 [ben]
- minimum conformance might be to be able to get focus and interact using keyboard
- 08:43:54 [ben]
- ? is there some structure or order required as well?
- 08:44:47 [ben]
- (predictable?)
- 08:45:45 [ben]
- are there success criteria that cover this? (not really under 3.2 or 2.1)
- 08:46:19 [ben]
- ?s about tab order and what we mean when we talk about it being "logical"?
- 08:47:38 [ben]
- example of euroaccessiblity group on human testing - their goal was 999 of 1000 vs. 8 out of 10
- 08:48:09 [David_MacDonald]
- can you put a mike beside Alester
- 08:49:12 [ben]
- need for higher standard on human testability?
- 08:49:36 [ben]
- euroaccessibility had a series of 7 tests related to this
- 08:50:00 [ben]
- difficult to make testable staements wihout being technology specific
- 08:50:42 [David_MacDonald]
- that's better
- 08:51:26 [ben]
- ag - important to keep testable statements at techniques and checklists level up to date over time
- 08:53:07 [ben]
- can make the 80% human testable higher through inclusion of clearer examples and test cases
- 08:53:49 [ben]
- general techniques: report on guideline 3.2 breakout
- 08:54:03 [ben]
- had 11 success criteria to deal with, only got through 3
- 08:55:38 [ben]
- level on (extreme changes in context) - talked about pop up windows and changes in speaker for audio that is not visually determinable
- 08:55:59 [ben]
- regarding new windows, what about opening a media player
- 08:56:15 [ben]
- ? is an alert box an extreme change in context (thought no, but not sure)
- 08:56:31 [ben]
- was this an HTML technique that was incompletely generalized
- 08:56:55 [ben]
- raised questions, no techniques proposed
- 08:57:16 [ben]
- second criterion (consistent navigation)
- 08:57:40 [ben]
- what are "components" that are repeated (other examples needed, what is covered?)
- 08:58:38 [ben]
- next criterion, what does activation mean? (opening a pull down, putting focus in input box, changing state of checkbox or radio butons)
- 08:59:06 [ben]
- ? is this a UA issue that should not have to be in WCAG?
- 09:00:37 [ben]
- other technologies (ex. flash) have potential to cause more drastic changes in content
- 09:01:07 [ben]
- many issues (even in general techniques) with needing to go to technology-specifics to answer questions on interpretation of guidelines
- 09:02:20 [ben]
- if we don't deal with over-general guidelines, we may run into problems going forward
- 09:04:10 [Michael]
- 3.2 avoid mistakes
- 09:04:14 [Michael]
- forms - prompts, mistakes
- 09:04:19 [Michael]
- identify required items
- 09:04:41 [Michael]
- feedback on required fields, bad formatting
- 09:05:08 [Michael]
- restricted values (list boxes)
- 09:05:34 [Michael]
- way to reverse mistakes - review submission before confirmation, undo, cancel
- 09:05:44 [Michael]
- breaking up long forms into multiple steps (pages)
- 09:06:07 [Michael]
- Google example where it tries to help you with suggestions for improved spelling
- 09:06:29 [Michael]
- Visual feedback e.g., "print this page" links where you don't know if it printed or not
- 09:07:14 [Michael]
- Input options known but less than 75 - why that number, and why so high?
- 09:07:25 [Michael]
- Plain language when reporting errors
- 09:08:24 [Michael]
- Bugzilla-style help as an approach
- 09:09:46 [Michael]
- That was "2.5 avoid mistakes" above...
- 09:10:38 [Michael]
- Some of this was a question of whether it should be a technique or a success criterion
- 09:12:08 [ben]
- how does this apply to voice XML? would verification be required for each input?
- 09:13:39 [ben]
- many questions and issues to be addressed in General techniques
- 09:16:27 [ben]
- issue; does having a general technique for each criterion make the guidelines more difficult to interpret - first two layers (guidelines and general techniques) are not tech specific, so may be making it more difficult for authors to get the information they need
- 09:16:32 [ben]
- other big elephants:
- 09:16:47 [ben]
- techniques for out of specification technologies (ex. embed)?
- 09:17:13 [ben]
- general techniques - should some be success criteria?
- 09:17:24 [ben]
- general techniques seem to get HTML specific at times
- 09:17:43 [ben]
- standrard for testability (human) - rigorous enough?
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- 09:20:31 [ben]
- dm - previous proposal included general techniques at the same level as other technology specific - worth revisiting to allow peopel to dig deeper more quickly?
- 09:22:12 [ben]
- some feedback suggests that WCAG 2.0 is too abstract - concern is that jumping into the code too quickly could lead to a lack of understanding
- 09:23:16 [David_MacDonald]
- test
- 09:25:28 [ben]
- ag - underlying issue for these issues - is it because we're trying to bind accessibility with usability?
- 09:28:27 [ben]
- mc - line between the two is not a hard line
- 09:29:25 [ben]
- HTML and CSS techs - you can use them to create a technically accessible techniques
- 09:29:41 [ben]
- general feels "almost HTML specific"
- 09:29:58 [ben]
- better way to organize?
- 09:31:17 [David_MacDonald]
- louder please tom
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- -??P0
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- -??P1
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- -Bengt
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- WAI_WCAG(f2f)4:00AM has ended
- 09:38:53 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Bengt
- 09:39:01 [bengt]
- hehe :)
- 09:39:33 [sh1m]
- zakim, who's on the pgone
- 09:39:33 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who's on the pgone', sh1m
- 09:39:40 [sh1m]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 09:39:40 [Zakim]
- sorry, sh1m, I don't know what conference this is; apparently WAI_WCAG(f2f)4:00AM has ended
- 09:39:42 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see sh1m, Andi, Michael, ben, RRSAgent, Zakim, David_MacDonald, bengt, sh1mmer
- 09:53:30 [David_MacDonald]
- back
- 09:54:36 [David_MacDonald]
- I'm on the phone
- 09:54:45 [Michael]
- ok, we'll be on in a few
- 09:55:06 [bengt]
- zakim, this is wai_wcag
- 09:55:06 [Zakim]
- ok, bengt; that matches WAI_WCAG(f2f)4:00AM
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- rrsagent, make log world
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- -??P0
- 09:59:47 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG(f2f)4:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were
- 10:00:03 [bengt]
- zakim, this is wai_wcag
- 10:00:03 [Zakim]
- bengt, I see WAI_WCAG(f2f)4:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be wai_wcag".
- 10:00:05 [ben]
- hi guys - just dialing in now
- 10:00:12 [bengt]
- zakim, this will be wai_wcag
- 10:00:13 [Zakim]
- ok, bengt; I see WAI_WCAG(f2f)4:00AM scheduled to start 120 minutes ago
- 10:00:24 [bengt]
- zakim, this is wai_wcag
- 10:00:24 [Zakim]
- bengt, I see WAI_WCAG(f2f)4:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be wai_wcag".
- 10:00:37 [David_MacDonald]
- l will be back on in 5 minutes but I'm in IRC
- 10:01:09 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG(f2f)4:00AM has now started
- 10:01:16 [Zakim]
- +??P0
- 10:01:36 [ben]
- zakim, ??P0
- 10:01:36 [Zakim]
- I don't understand '??P0', ben
- 10:02:06 [ben]
- zakim, ??P0 is WG
- 10:02:06 [Zakim]
- +WG; got it
- 10:02:22 [ben]
- zaki, who is on the phone?
- 10:02:30 [ben]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 10:02:30 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see WG
- 10:03:03 [Andi]
- Script Techniques - what's going on? what are the plans? what do you need people to work on?
- 10:03:28 [Andi]
- Select lists - in HTML techniques as a "combo" technique
- 10:03:52 [Andi]
- no such thing as pure JavaScript techniques
- 10:04:01 [Zakim]
- +??P1
- 10:04:18 [ben]
- zakim, ??P1 is Bengt
- 10:04:18 [Zakim]
- +Bengt; got it
- 10:04:51 [Andi]
- JavaScript techniques document only has 7 techniques
- 10:05:21 [Andi]
- know that the JavaScript techniques document needs to exist but beyond that, the purpose is unclear
- 10:05:49 [Andi]
- is the purpose to describe how to use JavaScript in an accessible way or to avoid using JavaScript
- 10:06:19 [Andi]
- need to flush out everything about JavaScript and create work items
- 10:07:04 [Andi]
- use the time here to work on describing the problems vs. coming up with solutions
- 10:07:18 [Andi]
- for example: bug in DHTML menus
- 10:08:05 [Andi]
- want JavaScript techniques document to have code in it that people can really use
- 10:08:59 [Andi]
- is the work being done on the UAAG side to complement the techniques?
- 10:10:10 [Andi]
- so many different DHTML menuing systems
- 10:10:20 [Andi]
- some work with AT and some don't
- 10:10:27 [Zakim]
- -Bengt
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- 10:11:40 [Andi]
- WCAG could test them and specify which ones work rather than describing how to write one from scratch
- 10:11:59 [Zakim]
- +??P1
- 10:12:17 [ben]
- zakim, ??P1 is Bengt
- 10:12:17 [Zakim]
- +Bengt; got it
- 10:12:29 [ben]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 10:12:29 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see WG, Bengt
- 10:12:42 [Andi]
- have about 10 or 12 serious JavaScript developers - 3 or 4 have joined the working group, others available for feedback
- 10:12:53 [Andi]
- next draft November 8th
- 10:12:53 [bengt]
- hmm bluescreened computer ...
- 10:13:18 [Andi]
- list of scenarios where JavaScript is a problem is the most valuable thing to do today
- 10:15:33 [Zakim]
- +??P2
- 10:15:45 [Andi]
- what about other types of scripts?
- 10:16:04 [Andi]
- constrained by the W3C to only provide techniques for W3C technologies
- 10:16:10 [David_MacDonald]
- zakim +??P2 is David_MacDonald
- 10:16:26 [Andi]
- technically, we are providing techniques for ECMA script - JavaScript is an implementation of ECMA script
- 10:16:30 [David_MacDonald]
- zakim, +??P2 is David_MacDonald
- 10:16:30 [Zakim]
- sorry, David_MacDonald, I do not recognize a party named '+??P2'
- 10:16:47 [Andi]
- concepts should also apply to VB script
- 10:16:57 [bengt]
- zakim, ??P2 is David_MacDonald
- 10:16:57 [Zakim]
- +David_MacDonald; got it
- 10:17:14 [David_MacDonald]
- Thx Ben
- 10:18:07 [Andi]
- bind events through the DOM rather than using embedded event handlers
- 10:19:05 [David_MacDonald]
- Matt, tom a little louder please
- 10:19:37 [Andi]
- could even get to the point where users can apply their own scripts to a site (external JavaScripts)
- 10:20:13 [Andi]
- cross site scripting
- 10:22:03 [David_MacDonald]
- I'll have a ham sandwich
- 10:22:08 [David_MacDonald]
- I
- 10:22:12 [David_MacDonald]
- test
- 10:24:58 [Andi]
- try working through 1.3 as a group
- 10:27:03 [Andi]
- L1 SC1 - Structures and relationships within the content can be programmatically determined.
- 10:33:50 [Andi]
- been looking at scripting with HTML. what about scripting with SVG or something else?
- 10:34:27 [Andi]
- not sure - for now, add to the list of things to do
- 10:35:09 [Andi]
- need to resolve where we are on the <noscript> question
- 10:36:18 [Andi]
- Michael believes that if the script doesn't do anything that needs to be or can be done another way, then the <noscript> element doesn't do anything
- 10:37:54 [Andi]
- what about Web applications? what would go in the <noscript> element?
- 10:38:23 [Andi]
- lose all the functionality if you don't have JavaScript
- 10:39:16 [Andi]
- one technique is to create the application without script first, then add the script function
- 10:39:27 [Andi]
- degrades naturally without the need for <noscript>
- 10:39:31 [Andi]
- but this is double the work
- 10:40:56 [Andi]
- general rule is to only remove stuff from the screen with scripts - don't add stuff
- 10:42:28 [Andi]
- UI designers won't accept this
- 10:44:37 [Andi]
- useful to work out whether or not we can just say that JavaScript is an accessibility barrier to some people
- 10:47:38 [Andi]
- certain things, such as drop down menus, are easy to provide alternatives for
- 10:57:45 [ken]
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- 10:59:42 [Andi]
- <noscript> should not be required if the page works with scripts disabled and you don't lose any content or functionality
- 11:02:51 [Andi]
- could use technique on decorative images as the starting point for defining when a script is purely decorative
- 11:04:41 [Andi]
- back to 1.3 L1 SC1 techniques
- 11:08:50 [Andi]
- is there anything to say about this in scripting techniques
- 11:14:06 [Andi]
- general techniques - information about why something is needed should be moved into the informative sections of the guidelines
- 11:15:34 [Andi]
- HTML, CSS, and script techniques are interrelated
- 11:16:01 [Andi]
- until we have some other techniques such as SVG and SMIL, we can't really work out what needs to go in the general techniques
- 11:21:05 [Andi]
- have a lot of information that maps to level 1 conformance item but it's not required for minimum conformance - what do we do with it?
- 11:21:27 [Andi]
- maybe we need to figure out what the technology specific requirements are first and then go back to the guidelines
- 11:21:58 [Andi]
- guidelines are normative but we're on a track where the technology specific techniques are going to be treated as normative
- 11:22:57 [Andi]
- guidelines are like a constitution, techniques are like laws
- 11:26:18 [Andi]
- if we structure techniques as if they are normative, will that get us anywhere and will that get us to the point where the guidelines are normative and the techniques are not?
- 11:29:09 [David_MacDonald]
- I'm ducking out to do my daily morning mass, I will light a candle for us. ....I'll be back. If you are on lunch I'll catch you after lunch
- 11:30:00 [jslatin]
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- 11:30:23 [ben]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 11:30:23 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see WG, Bengt, David_MacDonald
- 11:30:28 [Andi]
- with regard to 1.3, not all of the things currently listed in the HTML techniques for L1 SC1 should really be required for Level 1 conformance
- 11:30:56 [Andi]
- this is identifying a problem with the success criteria in the guidelines
- 11:31:52 [jslatin]
- Hi, everyone!
- 11:32:12 [Zakim]
- -David_MacDonald
- 11:32:42 [Andi]
- one approace - create techniques, identify which are required and which are optional, assign conformance levels, then use that to validate the guidelines
- 11:34:50 [Andi]
- approace = approach
- 11:38:48 [Andi]
- Hi John, I just noticed you there
- 11:38:49 [bengt]
- Hi John
- 11:39:42 [jslatin]
- Hi, andi, hi, bengt. just got here, will stay for 30 min then go to office & log back in
- 11:39:50 [Andi]
- okay
- 11:39:54 [Andi]
- we're about to break for lunch
- 11:40:20 [jslatin]
- Well then I'm just in time! Have some for me.
- 11:41:05 [Andi]
- we're breaking for lunch now and will continue this discussion of required vs. optional techniques after lunch
- 11:41:51 [jslatin]
- Good. See you later then.
- 11:44:08 [Zakim]
- -WG
- 11:44:15 [bengt]
- going to take a swim now :)
- 11:44:18 [Zakim]
- -Bengt
- 11:44:19 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG(f2f)4:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were WG, Bengt, David_MacDonald
- 12:43:59 [ben]
- back from break
- 12:44:34 [ben]
- making progress on sorting techniques
- 12:45:05 [ben]
- categegories: priority 1, priority 2, priority 3, optional, remove/deprecate
- 12:47:05 [Andi]
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- 12:47:36 [ben]
- where possible, note places where techniques might be priority 1, but would change default presentation
- 12:47:43 [Michael]
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- Starting with HTML techniques (Oct 8, 2004 draft)
- 12:49:30 [ben]
- 1.1 (doctype) - P1 - 10 votes
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- 13:21:38 [Andi]
- Hi John
- 13:22:34 [MattDUB]
- John, we're voting on priorities for techniques. If you want to follow along and vote over IRC, I'll vote for you.
- 13:24:08 [jslatin]
- Thanks. I'll try to call in.
- 13:24:43 [jslatin]
- Says I'm the first one on the call right now...
- 13:24:45 [MattDUB]
- could be easier just to do this over irc...
- 13:25:16 [MattDUB]
- we can dial in, but there's not much discussion, just voting.
- 13:25:53 [jslatin]
- Not really. In IRC I have to shitft+tab to get to the transcript window and then JAWS reads me the *whole* window in order to read the most recent message. Voting this way wd be sort of like using the voting machines downstairs in my building...
- 13:26:18 [MattDUB]
- ok. we'll dial in.
- 13:26:49 [jslatin]
- Thanks!
- 13:27:44 [MattDUB]
- Becky is dutifully entering the 80 digits required to call via phone card...
- 13:29:28 [jslatin]
- Thanks, Becky. I know it's a pain. But I get no audible cue when new msgs come into IRC so I do sort of random shift-tabbing & JAWS throws in all sorts of wierd characters-- says PIE for lienbreaks (I think it's line breaks...) for instance
- 13:30:03 [MattDUB]
- mmm. pie.
- 13:30:17 [Andi]
- what kind of pie?
- 13:30:24 [MattDUB]
- want pie now.
- 13:38:58 [bengt]
- zakim, this is wai_wcag
- 13:38:58 [Zakim]
- ok, bengt; that matches WAI_WCAG(f2f)4:00AM
- 13:39:13 [bengt]
- zakim, who is on the phone ?
- 13:39:13 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see John_Slatin, ??P5, ??P6
- 13:39:25 [bengt]
- zakim, ??P6 is bengt
- 13:39:25 [Zakim]
- +bengt; got it
- 13:40:31 [ben]
- hi bengt, we're walking the HTML techniques document to sort it into WCAG 1.0 type priority levels
- 13:40:47 [bengt]
- ok
- 13:40:53 [ben]
- we're currently on 9.5 of HTML techniques
- 13:42:01 [ben]
- if you'd like to vote, just hit a number on your phone when michael runs through the votes (priority 1, priority 2, priority 3, optional, and kill)
- 13:50:39 [ben]
- action: michael - remove HTML technique 9.11
- 13:51:16 [ben]
- action michael - remove HTML technique 9.12
- 13:52:14 [bengt]
- ben ?? is 9.11 really correct
- 13:52:16 [Zakim]
- +??P7
- 13:53:30 [ben]
- hi david, we're walking the HTML techniques document to sort it into WCAG 1.0 type priority levels
- 13:53:50 [ben]
- we're currently on HTML 9.14
- 13:54:01 [David_MacDonald]
- thanks
- 13:55:10 [ben]
- if you'd like to vote, just hit a number on your phone when michael runs through the votes (priority 1, priority 2, priority 3, optional, and kill)
- 13:55:26 [ben]
- we're not discussing these as we go, just quick straw poll
- 13:56:57 [bengt]
- indentation is really strange
- 13:57:47 [jslatin]
- is target deprecated in xhtml?
- 13:58:05 [ben]
- indentation? in the draft?
- 13:58:40 [bengt]
- hmm, I got the wrong one up as in the wai/gl reference instead of f2f reference
- 13:58:42 [David_MacDonald]
- ben could you pop in the URL of the latest
- 13:59:23 [bengt]
- wai/gl doenst refer to the latest
- 14:00:08 [ben]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-HTML-TECHS-20041008/Overview.html
- 14:14:04 [jslatin]
- Kill d-link, P1 for onscreen link to long description
- 14:18:48 [jslatin]
- What about <p title="desc_of_Figure2">yetta yatta</p>?
- 14:21:59 [Zakim]
- -bengt
- 14:24:12 [Zakim]
- +??P6
- 14:24:28 [bengt]
- hmm, 924 and I got in
- 14:24:39 [bengt]
- zakim, ??P6 is bengt
- 14:24:39 [Zakim]
- +bengt; got it
- 14:25:05 [ben]
- hi guys - 15 minute break
- 14:25:09 [Zakim]
- -??P5
- 14:25:12 [Zakim]
- -John_Slatin
- 14:25:13 [Zakim]
- -bengt
- 14:25:14 [Zakim]
- -??P7
- 14:25:15 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG(f2f)4:00AM has ended
- 14:25:16 [Zakim]
- Attendees were John_Slatin, bengt
- 14:25:29 [bengt]
- zakim, this will be wai_wcag
- 14:25:29 [Zakim]
- "wai_wcag" matches WAI_WCAG(f2f)4:00AM, and WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM, bengt
- 14:37:26 [Michael]
- Michael has joined #wai-wcag
- 14:41:16 [David_MacDonald]
- test 1,2,3
- 14:41:35 [bengt]
- network down ?
- 14:42:48 [Michael]
- we just got real internet access, went down during the switchover
- 14:42:51 [David_MacDonald]
- i see you bengt so
- 14:42:54 [Michael]
- we're dialed into the phone now
- 14:43:24 [bengt]
- zakim, this is wai_wcag
- 14:43:24 [Zakim]
- ok, bengt; that matches WAI_WCAG(f2f)4:00AM
- 14:43:35 [Zakim]
- +??P1
- 14:43:37 [bengt]
- zakim, who is on the phone ?
- 14:43:37 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Wendy, ??P1
- 14:43:56 [David_MacDonald]
- zakim, ??P1 is David_MacDonald
- 14:43:56 [Zakim]
- +David_MacDonald; got it
- 14:43:58 [Michael]
- zakim, Wendy is temporarily WG
- 14:43:58 [Zakim]
- +WG; got it
- 14:44:24 [Zakim]
- +??P3
- 14:44:35 [bengt]
- zakim, ??P3 is bengt
- 14:44:35 [Zakim]
- +bengt; got it
- 14:44:39 [MattDUB]
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- 14:49:15 [Michael]
- zakim, who's making noise?>
- 14:49:15 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who's making noise?>', Michael
- 14:49:19 [bcaldwell]
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- 14:49:19 [Michael]
- zakim, who's making noise?
- 14:49:30 [Zakim]
- Michael, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: WG (29%), David_MacDonald (5%), bengt (39%)
- 14:49:37 [bengt]
- mute me
- 14:49:43 [MattDUB]
- zakim, mute bengt
- 14:49:43 [Zakim]
- bengt should now be muted
- 14:49:48 [MattDUB]
- bingo
- 14:49:54 [Zakim]
- +John_Slatin
- 14:49:55 [bengt]
- hmm, I have mute on in this ened
- 14:53:21 [Michael]
- ack john
- 15:05:14 [jslatin]
- are those approaches mutually exclusive?
- 15:28:24 [Michael]
- ack john
- 15:48:01 [MattDUB]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10/guidelines.html#tech-conditional-content
- 15:48:10 [MattDUB]
- 2.3 Render conditional content
- 16:06:17 [jslatin]
- Allegory strikes again!
- 16:09:36 [Michael]
- what did you guys just say?
- 16:09:50 [bengt]
- zakim, who is making nois ?
- 16:09:50 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, bengt.
- 16:09:56 [bengt]
- zakim, who is making noise ?
- 16:10:06 [Zakim]
- bengt, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: WG (91%), David_MacDonald (28%)
- 16:10:22 [bengt]
- starting time 8.30 ?
- 16:11:14 [bcaldwell]
- yes
- 16:15:23 [bengt]
- ok need to go
- 16:15:46 [Zakim]
- -bengt
- 16:21:44 [jslatin]
- I can go thru rest of HTML techs and "vote" on each one and email it to Michael...
- 16:29:12 [Zakim]
- -WG
- 16:37:15 [Zakim]
- -John_Slatin
- 16:37:16 [Zakim]
- -David_MacDonald
- 16:37:17 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG(f2f)4:00AM has ended
- 16:37:18 [Zakim]
- Attendees were David_MacDonald, WG, bengt, John_Slatin
- 16:38:33 [bcaldwell]
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- MattDUB has left #wai-wcag
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