IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-10-14

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20:02:24 [Michael]
rrsagent, make logs world
20:02:38 [Zakim]
+??P6
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+John_Slatin
20:02:55 [bcaldwell]
zakim, ??P6 is David_MacDonald
20:02:55 [Zakim]
+David_MacDonald; got it
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+??P7
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+Alex_Li
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+JasonWhite
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+Matt
20:04:00 [bcaldwell]
zakim, ??P7 is Takayuki_Watanabe
20:04:00 [Zakim]
+Takayuki_Watanabe; got it
20:04:04 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, mute me
20:04:04 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
20:04:11 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, unmute me
20:04:11 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
20:04:14 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, who's on the phone?
20:04:14 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink, Roberto_Castaldo, Gregg_and_Ben, Michael_Cooper, Avi, David_MacDonald, John_Slatin, Takayuki_Watanabe, Alex_Li, JasonWhite, Matt
20:04:18 [bcaldwell]
zakim, who is here?
20:04:18 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Makoto_Ueki, Yvette_Hoitink, Roberto_Castaldo, Gregg_and_Ben, Michael_Cooper, Avi, David_MacDonald, John_Slatin, Takayuki_Watanabe, Alex_Li, JasonWhite, Matt
20:04:21 [Zakim]
On IRC I see RRSAgent, gregg, nabe, rcastaldo, bcaldwell, Zakim, bengt, Yvette_Hoitink, Michael, sh1mmer
20:04:44 [nabe]
zakim, I am Takayuki_Watanabe
20:04:44 [Zakim]
ok, nabe, I now associate you with Takayuki_Watanabe
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+[Microsoft]
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20:05:20 [bcaldwell]
zakim, Microsoft is Mike_Barta
20:05:20 [Zakim]
+Mike_Barta; got it
20:05:26 [David_MacDonald]
David will scribe
20:05:49 [David_MacDonald]
summary of techniques
20:06:20 [nabe]
zakim, mute me
20:06:20 [Zakim]
Takayuki_Watanabe should now be muted
20:06:59 [David_MacDonald]
testin is big issue working through it only have tests for HTML, reasos for testing 1) quality assurance 2)
20:07:40 [David_MacDonald]
lots of work on techniques..how they relate to test files , lots of holes in mapping techiques with no SC, & ice versa
20:08:17 [bcaldwell]
latest mapping document: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2004/10/8-sc-techniques-mapping.html
20:08:34 [David_MacDonald]
sometimes echniue nis at a different level of conformance than we feel necessary...don't know what to do about it but will figure it out...don't want to make eople conform at levels they don['t eed to.
20:08:58 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, mute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
20:09:06 [David_MacDonald]
some techniques qre not supported by user agents brings us to old future techniques etc
20:09:21 [David_MacDonald]
looking to checklists to solve someor allthese problems
20:09:40 [David_MacDonald]
lots of questionsfor face 2 f about
20:10:53 [David_MacDonald]
another question about do you put techniques that should work but are not supported
20:10:57 [Zakim]
+??P11
20:11:06 [rcastaldo]
I won't be there :-(
20:11:19 [Yvette_Hoitink]
roberto, too bad
20:11:20 [bcaldwell]
agenda+ F2F
20:11:23 [David_MacDonald]
John slati and david macdonald will be on phone meeting dialing to face 2 face
20:11:24 [bcaldwell]
next agendum
20:11:28 [bengt]
bengt too
20:11:39 [rcastaldo]
IWA is a very "poor" association :-)
20:11:45 [David_MacDonald]
Chris & Jenae & maybe jason
20:11:52 [bcaldwell]
agenda+ Propsal: Issue 381 - John's cleanup of 3.1 example
20:11:55 [bengt]
zakim, ??P11 is Bengt_Farre
20:11:55 [Zakim]
+Bengt_Farre; got it
20:12:01 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, mute me
20:12:01 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink was already muted, Yvette_Hoitink
20:12:04 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, unmute me
20:12:04 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
20:12:08 [bcaldwell]
agenda+ Open issues
20:13:01 [David_MacDonald]
total dial i for F2F: Bengt, David MacDOnald, John SLatin, Jenae, Chris
20:13:08 [David_MacDonald]
& Jason
20:14:16 [David_MacDonald]
times willon GL homepage w3.org/wai/gl
20:14:38 [bcaldwell]
agenda+ Discussion of public comments submitted by JIS (25 min.)
20:14:42 [bcaldwell]
agenda?
20:14:57 [bcaldwell]
next agendum
20:15:17 [bcaldwell]
http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=381
20:15:23 [David_MacDonald]
proposal, a#381 john's cleanup of 3.1 example
20:15:29 [gregg]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004OctDec/0084.html
20:17:13 [David_MacDonald]
JS: one example response to things that participant from JIS and discussion, & harvy bingham about abstract & concrete things - volcao erupting. complex vs. concrete. an attempt to retain example with links
20:17:43 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, mute me
20:17:43 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
20:17:46 [David_MacDonald]
ohter examles in plain language rewrite
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20:21:18 [David_MacDonald]
recommendation replaces label for a concrete concept, now an example of a complex concept enhance by different media, nontext to make it easy to understand
20:23:10 [David_MacDonald]
JS will resubmit cause multi media wet to a different page. which doesn't make sense as a way to make originalo page accessible so JS will modify that the multi media is on the same page.
20:23:42 [David_MacDonald]
the word "wet" above is "went"
20:25:48 [David_MacDonald]
GV suggests that the example removes the word site and leave its location ambiguous
20:26:03 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, unmute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
20:26:36 [bcaldwell]
To clarify this explanation, there is also a link to an accessible video and 3D simulation of what happened underneath the crust and within the volcano during the eruption.
20:27:44 [David_MacDonald]
Unanimous agreement that everyone wants to do the above
20:28:15 [David_MacDonald]
Suggest we kill current ex 3 in guidline about school child report
20:28:29 [David_MacDonald]
proposed by js
20:30:01 [David_MacDonald]
unanimous concent to delete the above child report of school trip
20:30:11 [David_MacDonald]
open issues
20:30:26 [nabe]
zakim, unmute me
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Takayuki_Watanabe should no longer be muted
20:30:54 [David_MacDonald]
3 more JIS people will join in 30 minutes
20:30:54 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, mute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
20:30:59 [bcaldwell]
next agendum
20:31:16 [David_MacDonald]
-=-----------------------------------------------
20:31:21 [David_MacDonald]
new issue
20:31:47 [David_MacDonald]
ideas for proscessing open issues. we have 585 open issues
20:32:20 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, unmute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
20:32:23 [David_MacDonald]
one at a time will take several presidential elections :-)
20:34:08 [David_MacDonald]
GV suggests everybody look at guidlines and pick your favorite one. and walk the guidlene and all the points that go with it. find open ones and mke proposals, sentence
20:34:22 [David_MacDonald]
JS takes 3.1
20:34:34 [David_MacDonald]
DM takes 1.4 & 1.5
20:34:44 [David_MacDonald]
fYvette takes 2.4
20:35:21 [rcastaldo]
I'd like 1.3
20:35:26 [David_MacDonald]
WC 1.1
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WC 1.2
20:36:05 [David_MacDonald]
Mike marta Microsoft 2.1
20:36:33 [bcaldwell]
action: john issue summary for 3.1
20:36:56 [bcaldwell]
action: david issue summary for 1.4
20:37:01 [David_MacDonald]
Yvette takes 1.3
20:37:14 [bcaldwell]
action: yvette issue summary for 2.4
20:37:23 [bcaldwell]
action: mike issue summary for 2.1
20:37:49 [bcaldwell]
action: roberto castaldo issue summary for 2.2
20:38:07 [bcaldwell]
action: yvette issue summary for 1.3
20:38:14 [bcaldwell]
action: gregg issue summary for 2.3
20:40:51 [bcaldwell]
action: ben issue summary for 4.1
20:43:21 [David_MacDonald]
current draft in link generates bugzilla search after the normitive (blue ) section of each guidline auto to page with all issues. links at top show only normative, all informatives. not necessary to do bugzilla search
20:44:07 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, mute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
20:44:23 [David_MacDonald]
GV asks if anyone wants to take bugs that are orphans not associated with document guidlines
20:44:55 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, unmute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
20:44:56 [Yvette_Hoitink]
q+
20:45:04 [David_MacDonald]
GV ask Ben to make a link in the GUidlines to non specific bugs
20:45:13 [masahiro]
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20:45:56 [David_MacDonald]
GV says read all y0our issues and if anything big shows up send an email to the list.
20:45:57 [bcaldwell]
action: everyone - send Gregg and email on issues you encounter that are major problems
20:46:07 [Zakim]
+??P12
20:46:42 [David_MacDonald]
timelines for issue summaries - big issues to list before next week, by wed
20:46:57 [David_MacDonald]
issue summaries in the next week or two
20:47:19 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, mute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
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zakim, unmute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
20:47:53 [bcaldwell]
zakim, ??P12 may be masahiro
20:47:53 [Zakim]
+masahiro?; got it
20:47:58 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, mute ??P12
20:47:58 [Zakim]
sorry, Yvette_Hoitink, I do not see a party named '??P12'
20:48:05 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, mute masahiro?
20:48:05 [Zakim]
masahiro? should now be muted
20:48:19 [masahiro]
I'm sorry my IP phone's mic seems something wrong.
20:48:42 [David_MacDonald]
unmute press 60#
20:48:42 [Yvette_Hoitink]
masahiro, just say "zakim, unmute me" if you want to say something
20:49:01 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, masahiro? is masahiro
20:49:01 [Zakim]
+masahiro; got it
20:49:10 [gregg]
type "zakim, unmute me"
20:49:33 [Yvette_Hoitink]
gregg, yes: _saying_ it to the computer won't help :-)
20:49:51 [masahiro]
However I can hear your discussion.
20:50:13 [David_MacDonald]
Doyle says If you don't declare a doctype and manually review cod can you still pass 4.1
20:50:27 [Yvette_Hoitink]
masahiro, that's the idea. You can follow the discussion but your microphone is switched off so you don't produce noise
20:51:27 [Yvette_Hoitink]
zakim, mute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should now be muted
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zakim, unmute me
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Yvette_Hoitink should no longer be muted
20:52:41 [David_MacDonald]
GV does anyone believe that testing means automatic only....tgroup says no,
20:52:52 [masahiro]
zakim, unmute me.
20:52:52 [Zakim]
sorry, masahiro, I do not see a party named 'me.'
20:53:08 [Yvette_Hoitink]
q-
20:53:10 [David_MacDonald]
Uanimous consent that we tdo not requrire automatic check
20:53:14 [bcaldwell]
ack Yvette
20:53:18 [bcaldwell]
ack John
20:53:41 [David_MacDonald]
JS we don't want to require auto validation but we allow it, GV says yes
20:54:04 [masahiro]
Zakim ,mute me
20:54:48 [David_MacDonald]
GV do we want to require that people declare what spec they are using, YH say no , GV says NO
20:55:04 [David_MacDonald]
GV says people won't know what they are using
20:56:39 [David_MacDonald]
GV If the spec does not requre that you name its versio then our guideline doesn't either
20:57:47 [David_MacDonald]
Mat May, all HML and XML require doctype statement.
20:58:32 [David_MacDonald]
MAT ; if no doctype declare these technologies go into quirk mode which is a big problem today
20:58:46 [David_MacDonald]
Unanimous consent that we do not require a declaration...
20:59:09 [Michael]
q+
20:59:14 [Michael]
q-
20:59:20 [bcaldwell]
next agendum
20:59:21 [David_MacDonald]
because the technologies that require declarations already do
20:59:26 [David_MacDonald]
__________________________________________________
20:59:32 [David_MacDonald]
new topic
20:59:34 [David_MacDonald]
JIS
20:59:52 [nabe]
http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1144
21:02:23 [nabe]
Guideline 2.4 L2 SC 1: http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1147
21:02:27 [David_MacDonald]
We will focus o issues guideline 2.4, a sentence in Japaese and other languages does not have words
21:02:57 [David_MacDonald]
GV: what is a symbol in (conji?) Japanese
21:03:15 [nabe]
I am sorry "do not contain words" is not an appropriate expression.
21:03:16 [nabe]
Japanese sentence does contain words but we use another unit to count
21:03:17 [nabe]
length.
21:03:38 [David_MacDonald]
describes the length of a sentence by the number of characters not words
21:03:59 [David_MacDonald]
when they describe length of document they use the umber f characters
21:04:35 [Michael]
sp confi/kanji
21:04:37 [David_MacDonald]
the number of characters changes in different japanese languages
21:04:48 [David_MacDonald]
thx mike you rock
21:05:21 [Yvette_Hoitink]
q+
21:06:40 [David_MacDonald]
japaese braille requires spaces betwe words. insert spaces between spaces to write oute braille therefore doesn't the concpts of words work?
21:08:24 [David_MacDonald]
do some words require mulitple kanji characters
21:08:34 [David_MacDonald]
yews
21:08:35 [David_MacDonald]
yes
21:09:14 [David_MacDonald]
Tak: 50,000 words hard to translate
21:10:27 [Yvette_Hoitink]
q-
21:11:06 [David_MacDonald]
GV : the # of words are temporary ideas to explore the concept eg. a long document should have chapters but not a short one. Do you have ay suggestions? Takayuki
21:12:20 [nabe]
For example, "This is a book." is "Korehahondesu." in Japanese.
21:12:21 [nabe]
(I use Roman-characters expression instead of writing Japanese with
21:12:22 [nabe]
Japanese characters.)
21:12:34 [nabe]
"kore" "ha" "hon" "desu" is similar units as English words.
21:12:35 [nabe]
"kore" corresponds "This", "hon" corresponds "a book", and both "ha"
21:12:36 [nabe]
and "desu" corresponds to "is".
21:12:36 [David_MacDonald]
GV what does a word mean? can we work with the conept of words...
21:12:37 [nabe]
We, however, do not think this way but we think this sentence
21:12:38 [nabe]
consisting of "kore-ha" and "hon-desu". "kore-ha" and "hon-desu" is
21:12:39 [nabe]
Bunsetu, which acts like a phrase.
21:13:34 [Yvette_Hoitink]
q+ to say "number of sentences as threshold"
21:14:00 [David_MacDonald]
GV says OK we have to find another solution...we understand the problem and will work on it.
21:16:12 [David_MacDonald]
GV does every language have sentences? NABE says no, but mike says can't go there, cause a book can be a paragraph
21:16:22 [David_MacDonald]
in some slavic languages
21:16:43 [bcaldwell]
ack Jason
21:16:46 [David_MacDonald]
GV we'll come back to it
21:16:46 [gregg]
ack jason
21:16:49 [Yvette_Hoitink]
q-
21:16:49 [gregg]
ack john
21:18:20 [David_MacDonald]
JS What is "long" in Japanese, Tak : we use # of Characters.
21:18:44 [nabe]
Correction: GV does every language have sentences? NABE DOES NOT say no,
21:18:54 [David_MacDonald]
50000 words in English, = ### characters in Japanese
21:19:13 [David_MacDonald]
GV asks is there a spellcheker in Japanese
21:19:36 [David_MacDonald]
alex says not in chenese Tak say not in Japanese either
21:19:41 [Yvette_Hoitink]
q+ to say "no spelling errors either?"
21:20:59 [David_MacDonald]
When text entry is required the text is checked and correct choices are suggested. get away from word "spell"
21:24:52 [David_MacDonald]
Thx NABE for the correction
21:25:23 [nabe]
your welcome. :-)
21:25:33 [bcaldwell]
ack Yvette
21:25:33 [Zakim]
Yvette_Hoitink, you wanted to say "no spelling errors either?"
21:27:09 [David_MacDonald]
finite and known vs the concept of rules and known
21:28:22 [gregg]
q+
21:28:29 [gregg]
ack john
21:28:33 [David_MacDonald]
Guidline 3.1 level 3 the list is oriented to english, JIS suggests it not be normative
21:28:43 [bcaldwell]
http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1149
21:30:01 [David_MacDonald]
GV: this guiline is very long and is also causing language barrier problems.
21:30:09 [Zakim]
-Takayuki_Watanabe
21:30:48 [nabe]
sorry I used up my Skype Credit. I cannot purchace another credit now.
21:31:46 [Yvette_Hoitink]
q+
21:31:47 [MattSEA]
q+
21:31:48 [David_MacDonald]
GV suggests rephrase the guidline as its objectives and let the technical documents taje care of the language specific details
21:31:50 [bcaldwell]
ack gregg
21:32:23 [bcaldwell]
ack Yvette
21:32:30 [Zakim]
-Michael_Cooper
21:32:36 [David_MacDonald]
Takayuki is off the p0hone but on irc right
21:33:59 [bcaldwell]
ack Matt
21:34:38 [David_MacDonald]
Matt: proposes complexity of didferent languages we should say "you should adopt a styleguide"
21:34:52 [David_MacDonald]
GV get it out of guidlines
21:34:53 [bcaldwell]
ack Jason
21:35:00 [David_MacDonald]
address it elsewhere
21:35:04 [David_MacDonald]
Jason agrees
21:35:41 [David_MacDonald]
JW the grammer of indiginous languages will not work in current approach
21:36:03 [David_MacDonald]
we need flexibility such as Matt's suggestion
21:36:18 [David_MacDonald]
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21:36:23 [nabe]
Sorry I'm in trouble to make an international call by another IP phone.
21:37:12 [David_MacDonald]
We are glad you are still with us in IRC Tak :-)
21:37:54 [rcastaldo]
agree
21:38:05 [David_MacDonald]
GV is there a general consensus to go ahead and find wording in main guidlenes that would move the specific language approach used currently
21:38:21 [nabe]
But it is almost impossible to follow the discussion. :-)
21:38:25 [David_MacDonald]
yes general consensous to re-write
21:38:46 [David_MacDonald]
action: JS will take this on
21:39:44 [David_MacDonald]
action: JS will reword 3.1 level 3 to make it less english specific. (remove action 10 replace it with this)
21:41:16 [bcaldwell]
ack Jason
21:41:48 [David_MacDonald]
JW: we shouold not set a baseline but a general criteria for setting baselines
21:42:22 [bcaldwell]
ack John
21:42:44 [David_MacDonald]
JW: changing wording for easy translations, cause other languages could have trouble with it so let translators do the job properlly
21:43:21 [David_MacDonald]
JS says wendy will put documet in front of european translators looking for problems as the Japanese have done
21:44:28 [David_MacDonald]
GV perhaps we need a better glossary, we need to watch for jargon and idium, avoid idum completely, sometimes need jargon. we wll walk them one at a time
21:45:05 [David_MacDonald]
ALex : no need for baseline if we follow standards.
21:45:41 [David_MacDonald]
GV: can't assume that every browser can handle every technology
21:46:35 [David_MacDonald]
alex: follow open standards. GV says: are you saying can't use non-open standards such as "flash"
21:47:02 [David_MacDonald]
Thank you JIS for early wake up
21:47:31 [David_MacDonald]
look forward to JIS joining us in Doublin
21:47:38 [rcastaldo]
Have a good meeting
21:47:43 [Zakim]
-Avi
21:47:44 [Zakim]
-Mike_Barta
21:47:46 [rcastaldo]
Hi folks
21:47:49 [Zakim]
-Bengt_Farre
21:47:50 [Zakim]
-Alex_Li
21:47:51 [Zakim]
-JasonWhite
21:47:53 [Zakim]
-Matt
21:47:54 [Zakim]
-John_Slatin
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-Gregg_and_Ben
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-David_MacDonald
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rcastaldo has left #wai-wcag
21:47:56 [Zakim]
-Roberto_Castaldo
21:47:57 [Zakim]
-Yvette_Hoitink
21:47:57 [nabe]
I and Makoto Ueki will join f2f in Dublin
21:48:03 [Zakim]
-Makoto_Ueki
21:48:19 [nabe]
Thank you everyone for discussing JIS comments
21:48:47 [David_MacDonald]
I will not be in doublin but will wish you guys the best and talk on the phoe
21:48:50 [Zakim]
-masahiro
21:48:51 [Zakim]
WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Yvette_Hoitink, Roberto_Castaldo, Gregg_and_Ben, Makoto_Ueki, Michael_Cooper, Avi, John_Slatin, David_MacDonald, Alex_Li, JasonWhite, Matt, Takayuki_Watanabe,
21:48:54 [Zakim]
... [Microsoft], Mike_Barta, Bengt_Farre, masahiro
21:49:28 [masahiro]
Thanks for inviting me.
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21:53:31 [bcaldwell]
rrsagent, bye
21:53:31 [RRSAgent]
I see 11 open action items:
21:53:31 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: john issue summary for 3.1 [1]
21:53:31 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-36-33
21:53:31 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: david issue summary for 1.4 [2]
21:53:31 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-36-56
21:53:31 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: yvette issue summary for 2.4 [3]
21:53:31 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-37-14
21:53:31 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: mike issue summary for 2.1 [4]
21:53:31 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-37-23
21:53:31 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: roberto castaldo issue summary for 2.2 [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-37-49
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ACTION: yvette issue summary for 1.3 [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-38-07
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ACTION: gregg issue summary for 2.3 [7]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-38-14
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ACTION: ben issue summary for 4.1 [8]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-40-51
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ACTION: everyone - send Gregg and email on issues you encounter that are major problems [9]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T20-45-57
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ACTION: JS will take this on [10]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T21-38-46
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ACTION: JS will reword 3.1 level 3 to make it less english specific. (remove action 10 replace it with this) [11]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/10/14-wai-wcag-irc#T21-39-44