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14:24:55 <DanC> regrets: AndyS, YoshioF, Kendall Clark, Jos De Roo, Eric Prud'hommeaux
14:24:56 <DaveB> donm is 24 aug, not 23 as in agenda?
14:25:20 <DanC> phpht. should be 24 aug, yes
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14:26:36 <DanC> regrets: AndyS, YoshioF, Kendall Clark, Jos De Roo, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Alberto Reggiori, Tom Adams, Hiroyuki Sato, Howard Katz, Thompson, Bryan B.
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14:28:54 <DanC> Zakim, this will be DAWG
14:28:54 <Zakim> ok, DanC, I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM already started
14:29:08 <Zakim> +DanC
14:29:39 <Zakim> +Kevin
14:29:39 <DanC> Zakim, mute aaaa temporarily
14:29:40 <Zakim> +1.781.497.aaaa should now be muted
14:29:54 <Zakim> +1.781.497.aaaa should now be unmuted again
14:29:58 <DanC> Zakim, ??P20 is SimonR
14:29:58 <Zakim> +SimonR; got it
14:29:59 <ericP> ericP has joined #dawg
14:30:17 <ericP> zakim, please dial ericP-941
14:30:17 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:30:18 <Zakim> +EricP
14:30:21 <DanC> Zakim, aaa is Faruk
14:30:21 <Zakim> sorry, DanC, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
14:30:24 <Zakim> +NickG
14:30:32 <SteveH> Zakim, NickG is SteveH
14:30:32 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
14:30:43 <Zakim> +??P24
14:30:44 <Zakim> -??P24
14:30:48 <DanC> Zakim, aaaa is FarrukhN
14:30:48 <Zakim> +FarrukhN; got it
14:30:52 <Zakim> +??P25
14:30:54 <DanC> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:30:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see SimonR, FarrukhN, DanC, Kevin, EricP, SteveH, ??P25
14:31:12 <Zakim> +??P24
14:31:34 <DanC> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:31:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see SimonR, FarrukhN, DanC, Kevin, EricP, SteveH, DaveB, JanneS
14:32:14 <DanC> Zakim, take up agendum 1
14:32:14 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review record, agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0277.html" taken up [from DanC]
14:32:19 <DanC> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:32:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see SimonR, FarrukhN, DanC, Kevin, EricP, SteveH, DaveB, JanneS
14:32:33 <DanC> regrets: AndyS, YoshioF, Kendall Clark, Jos De Roo, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Alberto Reggiori, Tom Adams, Hiroyuki Sato, Howard Katz, Bryan Thompson
14:34:39 <DanC> Minutes of RDF DAWG telecon 2004-07-27 for review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0224.html
14:35:01 <SteveH> resolved to accept minuites of 07-27
14:35:39 <SteveH> resolved to accept minuites of 2004-07-27
14:35:54 <SteveH> EricP to script on 2004-08-24
14:36:15 <DanC> agenda + public comments
14:36:42 <SteveH> continue 6 actions
14:37:25 <DanC> Zakim, who's talking
14:37:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's talking', DanC
14:37:28 <DanC> Zakim, who's talking?
14:37:39 <Zakim> DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: SteveH (34%), DanC (48%)
14:37:49 <Zakim> -SteveH
14:38:09 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
14:38:09 <Zakim> agendum 2. "SOURCE, "provenance"/data-management"" taken up [from DanC]
14:38:38 <DanC> ACTION DanC: explain evolution of log:semantics/log:includes from uri-is-graph to uri-is-doc in cwm, to inform discussion of SOURCE. CONTINUES
14:38:44 <Zakim> +SteveH
14:38:59 <DaveB> redland contexts doc http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/reports/large_scale_demo/
14:40:23 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#i_sourceImplExp 1.25  2004/08/16 12:23:00
14:41:11 <DanC> Zakim, who's on the phone?
14:41:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see SimonR, FarrukhN, DanC, Kevin, EricP, DaveB, JanneS, SteveH
14:41:38 <ericP> ericP has joined #dawg
14:41:40 <SteveH> views on SOURCE:
14:41:58 <SteveH> sinon: we implement it and its something we get for free
14:42:08 <SteveH> simon: its something an RDF database should do
14:42:41 <SteveH> simon: dont use it much, used for securitry, people dont use it much
14:43:04 <SteveH> Farrukh: provenance is an important feature
14:43:46 <SteveH> Kevin: sporadic requests, but its non-standard RDF
14:43:53 <SteveH> Kevin: definate need
14:44:24 <Zakim> -JanneS
14:44:35 <SteveH> ericP: its used in algae, useful for his tool, but not sure it should set standard
14:44:49 <SteveH> DaveB: big need from users
14:45:15 <SteveH> SteveH: users rely on it
14:46:05 <DanC> q+ SimonR
14:46:09 <SteveH> Farroukh: distingcintion between need, and wether DAWG should address it
14:46:36 <DanC> ack simon
14:46:45 <Zakim> +??P18
14:46:48 <DanC> ack SimonR
14:47:29 <SteveH> SimonR: its important that we can address source, even though its outside RDF
14:47:53 <DanC> Zakim, ??P18 is JanneS
14:47:53 <Zakim> +JanneS; got it
14:47:56 <SteveH> SimonR: just because RDF doesnt address it, doesnt mean we shouldn't address in it DAWG
14:48:14 <SteveH> JanneS: dont support it, can see that it is useful
14:48:22 <SteveH> Jannes: does it cause problems
14:48:26 <SteveH> q+
14:49:24 <SteveH> JanneS: what do you do if the source is unknown
14:50:02 <SteveH> DaveB: main use case is for returning it as a result
14:50:23 <DanC> ack steveh
14:51:31 <SteveH> ok
14:52:15 <DanC> ACTION DaveB: explain the main uses seen for redland contexts with respect to the provenance. CONTINUES
14:52:19 <DaveB> issues about source - can it be made optional, impl issues
14:52:22 <DanC> ACTION DaveB: propose an way to address the SOURCE issue. CONTINUES
14:52:30 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
14:52:30 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Collections" taken up [from DanC]
14:53:14 <SteveH> discussion of handling collenctions on list
14:53:30 <SteveH> Andy's action completed
14:54:50 <DanC> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#i_collections is open.
14:54:56 <SteveH> Danc: at one time we will discuss capabilities of your service
14:55:17 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
14:55:17 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Reporting b-nodes" taken up [from DanC]
14:55:33 <DanC> ACTION SimonR: write about the "returning bnodes from a query" issue. CONTINUES.
14:56:24 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
14:56:24 <Zakim> agendum 5. "XQuery integration requirements/objective" taken up [from DanC]
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14:56:28 <SteveH> related to issues with DESCRIBE
14:57:22 <SteveH> document done for the september F2F
14:57:53 <SteveH> ACTION SimonR "XQuery integration requirements/objective" CONTINUED
14:57:55 <DanC> ACTION SimonR: write a document ... continues. still expecting something to read for sep ftf
14:59:07 <SteveH> SimonR: returning bNodes is awkward becasue you can't assign them names outside the document thier in
14:59:30 <SteveH> SimonR: we assign then URLs and treat them as URI references
15:01:33 <SteveH> SimonR: dont know of a good solution
15:02:19 <DanC> DONE: ACTION DanC: notify Semantic Web CG
15:02:30 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
15:02:30 <Zakim> agendum 6. "review "Semantic Interpretation for Speech Recognition"?" taken up [from DanC]
15:02:53 <DaveB> I note in passing, that bnodes will (have to?) be able to be created at least in CONSTRUCTing triples is in the language.
15:03:22 <SteveH>  "Semantic Interpretation for Speech Recognition" has query expressions
15:03:39 <SteveH> Danc: wonrderes if they are similar, and should we be including ECMAScript
15:03:49 <DaveB> I can't find 'query' in the spec
15:03:49 <SteveH> DanC: some people should read it
15:04:13 <SteveH> EricP and SteveH will also read
15:04:31 <DanC> ACTION EricP: read http://www.w3.org/TR/semantic-interpretation/ and let DAWG know what, if any, dependencies there are/should be
15:04:42 <DanC> ACTION SteveH: read http://www.w3.org/TR/semantic-interpretation/ and let DAWG know what, if any, dependencies there are/should be
15:05:28 <SteveH> Danc: Has anyone looked at using the expression syntax from JavaScript
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15:05:57 <DanC> Zakim, next agendum
15:05:57 <Zakim> agendum 7. "public comments" taken up [from DanC]
15:06:36 <DanC> ACTION DanC: evaluate Tom's proposed reply
15:06:43 <Zakim> -DaveB
15:06:54 <SteveH> Tom's action is done
15:07:34 <DanC> RRSAgent, make logs world-access
15:07:38 <DanC> RRSAgent, pointer?
15:07:38 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2004/08/17-dawg-irc#T15-07-38
15:07:41 <DanC> ADJOURN.
15:08:15 <DanC> EricP: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/ Revision 1.28  2004/08/17 14:43:42  has some pictures. Whaddya think?
15:08:26 <Zakim> -DanC
15:08:28 <Zakim> -FarrukhN
15:08:29 <Zakim> -JanneS
15:08:34 <Zakim> -Kevin
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15:08:55 <Zakim> -SteveH
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15:15:22 <ericP_> http://www.w3.org/2004/07/16-FA/
15:49:02 <Zakim> -SimonR
15:49:14 <Zakim> -EricP
15:49:15 <Zakim> SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended
15:49:16 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.781.497.aaaa, DanC, Kevin, SimonR, EricP, SteveH, FarrukhN, DaveB, JanneS
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