IRC log of dawg on 2004-08-17
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 14:24:35 [RRSAgent]
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- 14:24:55 [DanC]
- regrets: AndyS, YoshioF, Kendall Clark, Jos De Roo, Eric Prud'hommeaux
- 14:24:56 [DaveB]
- donm is 24 aug, not 23 as in agenda?
- 14:25:20 [DanC]
- phpht. should be 24 aug, yes
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- 14:26:36 [DanC]
- regrets: AndyS, YoshioF, Kendall Clark, Jos De Roo, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Alberto Reggiori, Tom Adams, Hiroyuki Sato, Howard Katz, Thompson, Bryan B.
- 14:27:26 [SteveH]
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- 14:28:54 [DanC]
- Zakim, this will be DAWG
- 14:28:54 [Zakim]
- ok, DanC, I see SW_DAWG()10:30AM already started
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- +DanC
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- +Kevin
- 14:29:39 [DanC]
- Zakim, mute aaaa temporarily
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- +1.781.497.aaaa should now be muted
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- +1.781.497.aaaa should now be unmuted again
- 14:29:58 [DanC]
- Zakim, ??P20 is SimonR
- 14:29:58 [Zakim]
- +SimonR; got it
- 14:29:59 [ericP]
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- 14:30:17 [ericP]
- zakim, please dial ericP-941
- 14:30:17 [Zakim]
- ok, ericP; the call is being made
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- +EricP
- 14:30:21 [DanC]
- Zakim, aaa is Faruk
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- sorry, DanC, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
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- +NickG
- 14:30:32 [SteveH]
- Zakim, NickG is SteveH
- 14:30:32 [Zakim]
- +SteveH; got it
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- +??P24
- 14:30:44 [Zakim]
- -??P24
- 14:30:48 [DanC]
- Zakim, aaaa is FarrukhN
- 14:30:48 [Zakim]
- +FarrukhN; got it
- 14:30:52 [Zakim]
- +??P25
- 14:30:54 [DanC]
- Zakim, who is on the phone?
- 14:30:54 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see SimonR, FarrukhN, DanC, Kevin, EricP, SteveH, ??P25
- 14:31:12 [Zakim]
- +??P24
- 14:31:34 [DanC]
- Zakim, who is on the phone?
- 14:31:34 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see SimonR, FarrukhN, DanC, Kevin, EricP, SteveH, DaveB, JanneS
- 14:32:14 [DanC]
- Zakim, take up agendum 1
- 14:32:14 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Convene, take roll, review record, agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0277.html" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:32:19 [DanC]
- Zakim, who is on the phone?
- 14:32:19 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see SimonR, FarrukhN, DanC, Kevin, EricP, SteveH, DaveB, JanneS
- 14:32:33 [DanC]
- regrets: AndyS, YoshioF, Kendall Clark, Jos De Roo, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Alberto Reggiori, Tom Adams, Hiroyuki Sato, Howard Katz, Bryan Thompson
- 14:34:39 [DanC]
- Minutes of RDF DAWG telecon 2004-07-27 for review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0224.html
- 14:35:01 [SteveH]
- resolved to accept minuites of 07-27
- 14:35:39 [SteveH]
- resolved to accept minuites of 2004-07-27
- 14:35:54 [SteveH]
- EricP to script on 2004-08-24
- 14:36:15 [DanC]
- agenda + public comments
- 14:36:42 [SteveH]
- continue 6 actions
- 14:37:25 [DanC]
- Zakim, who's talking
- 14:37:25 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who's talking', DanC
- 14:37:28 [DanC]
- Zakim, who's talking?
- 14:37:39 [Zakim]
- DanC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: SteveH (34%), DanC (48%)
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- -SteveH
- 14:38:09 [DanC]
- Zakim, next agendum
- 14:38:09 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "SOURCE, "provenance"/data-management"" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:38:38 [DanC]
- ACTION DanC: explain evolution of log:semantics/log:includes from uri-is-graph to uri-is-doc in cwm, to inform discussion of SOURCE. CONTINUES
- 14:38:44 [Zakim]
- +SteveH
- 14:38:59 [DaveB]
- redland contexts doc http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/Europe/reports/large_scale_demo/
- 14:40:23 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#i_sourceImplExp 1.25 2004/08/16 12:23:00
- 14:41:11 [DanC]
- Zakim, who's on the phone?
- 14:41:11 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see SimonR, FarrukhN, DanC, Kevin, EricP, DaveB, JanneS, SteveH
- 14:41:38 [ericP]
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- 14:41:40 [SteveH]
- views on SOURCE:
- 14:41:58 [SteveH]
- sinon: we implement it and its something we get for free
- 14:42:08 [SteveH]
- simon: its something an RDF database should do
- 14:42:41 [SteveH]
- simon: dont use it much, used for securitry, people dont use it much
- 14:43:04 [SteveH]
- Farrukh: provenance is an important feature
- 14:43:46 [SteveH]
- Kevin: sporadic requests, but its non-standard RDF
- 14:43:53 [SteveH]
- Kevin: definate need
- 14:44:24 [Zakim]
- -JanneS
- 14:44:35 [SteveH]
- ericP: its used in algae, useful for his tool, but not sure it should set standard
- 14:44:49 [SteveH]
- DaveB: big need from users
- 14:45:15 [SteveH]
- SteveH: users rely on it
- 14:46:05 [DanC]
- q+ SimonR
- 14:46:09 [SteveH]
- Farroukh: distingcintion between need, and wether DAWG should address it
- 14:46:36 [DanC]
- ack simon
- 14:46:45 [Zakim]
- +??P18
- 14:46:48 [DanC]
- ack SimonR
- 14:47:29 [SteveH]
- SimonR: its important that we can address source, even though its outside RDF
- 14:47:53 [DanC]
- Zakim, ??P18 is JanneS
- 14:47:53 [Zakim]
- +JanneS; got it
- 14:47:56 [SteveH]
- SimonR: just because RDF doesnt address it, doesnt mean we shouldn't address in it DAWG
- 14:48:14 [SteveH]
- JanneS: dont support it, can see that it is useful
- 14:48:22 [SteveH]
- Jannes: does it cause problems
- 14:48:26 [SteveH]
- q+
- 14:49:24 [SteveH]
- JanneS: what do you do if the source is unknown
- 14:50:02 [SteveH]
- DaveB: main use case is for returning it as a result
- 14:50:23 [DanC]
- ack steveh
- 14:51:31 [SteveH]
- ok
- 14:52:15 [DanC]
- ACTION DaveB: explain the main uses seen for redland contexts with respect to the provenance. CONTINUES
- 14:52:19 [DaveB]
- issues about source - can it be made optional, impl issues
- 14:52:22 [DanC]
- ACTION DaveB: propose an way to address the SOURCE issue. CONTINUES
- 14:52:30 [DanC]
- Zakim, next agendum
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- agendum 3. "Collections" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:53:14 [SteveH]
- discussion of handling collenctions on list
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- Andy's action completed
- 14:54:50 [DanC]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/#i_collections is open.
- 14:54:56 [SteveH]
- Danc: at one time we will discuss capabilities of your service
- 14:55:17 [DanC]
- Zakim, next agendum
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- agendum 4. "Reporting b-nodes" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:55:33 [DanC]
- ACTION SimonR: write about the "returning bnodes from a query" issue. CONTINUES.
- 14:56:24 [DanC]
- Zakim, next agendum
- 14:56:24 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "XQuery integration requirements/objective" taken up [from DanC]
- 14:56:27 [ericP]
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- 14:56:28 [SteveH]
- related to issues with DESCRIBE
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- document done for the september F2F
- 14:57:53 [SteveH]
- ACTION SimonR "XQuery integration requirements/objective" CONTINUED
- 14:57:55 [DanC]
- ACTION SimonR: write a document ... continues. still expecting something to read for sep ftf
- 14:59:07 [SteveH]
- SimonR: returning bNodes is awkward becasue you can't assign them names outside the document thier in
- 14:59:30 [SteveH]
- SimonR: we assign then URLs and treat them as URI references
- 15:01:33 [SteveH]
- SimonR: dont know of a good solution
- 15:02:19 [DanC]
- DONE: ACTION DanC: notify Semantic Web CG
- 15:02:30 [DanC]
- Zakim, next agendum
- 15:02:30 [Zakim]
- agendum 6. "review "Semantic Interpretation for Speech Recognition"?" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:02:53 [DaveB]
- I note in passing, that bnodes will (have to?) be able to be created at least in CONSTRUCTing triples is in the language.
- 15:03:22 [SteveH]
- "Semantic Interpretation for Speech Recognition" has query expressions
- 15:03:39 [SteveH]
- Danc: wonrderes if they are similar, and should we be including ECMAScript
- 15:03:49 [DaveB]
- I can't find 'query' in the spec
- 15:03:49 [SteveH]
- DanC: some people should read it
- 15:04:13 [SteveH]
- EricP and SteveH will also read
- 15:04:31 [DanC]
- ACTION EricP: read http://www.w3.org/TR/semantic-interpretation/ and let DAWG know what, if any, dependencies there are/should be
- 15:04:42 [DanC]
- ACTION SteveH: read http://www.w3.org/TR/semantic-interpretation/ and let DAWG know what, if any, dependencies there are/should be
- 15:05:28 [SteveH]
- Danc: Has anyone looked at using the expression syntax from JavaScript
- 15:05:49 [ericP]
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- Zakim, next agendum
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- agendum 7. "public comments" taken up [from DanC]
- 15:06:36 [DanC]
- ACTION DanC: evaluate Tom's proposed reply
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- -DaveB
- 15:06:54 [SteveH]
- Tom's action is done
- 15:07:34 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, make logs world-access
- 15:07:38 [DanC]
- RRSAgent, pointer?
- 15:07:38 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2004/08/17-dawg-irc#T15-07-38
- 15:07:41 [DanC]
- ADJOURN.
- 15:08:15 [DanC]
- EricP: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/rq23/ Revision 1.28 2004/08/17 14:43:42 has some pictures. Whaddya think?
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- -DanC
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- -FarrukhN
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- -JanneS
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- -Kevin
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- -SteveH
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- http://www.w3.org/2004/07/16-FA/
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- -SimonR
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- -EricP
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- SW_DAWG()10:30AM has ended
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- Attendees were +1.781.497.aaaa, DanC, Kevin, SimonR, EricP, SteveH, FarrukhN, DaveB, JanneS
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