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14:54:29 <em> zakim, this will be Simile
14:54:29 <Zakim> ok, em; I see SW_Simile()11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
14:54:43 <em> RRSAgent, pointer?
14:54:43 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2004/04/15-simile-irc#T14-54-43
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14:59:38 <em> zakim, dial emiller-bos
14:59:39 <Zakim> ok, em; the call is being made
14:59:40 <Zakim> +Emiller
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15:00:45 <pshab> hi em
15:01:11 <Zakim> +??P5
15:01:34 <em> zakim, ??P5 is pshab 
15:01:36 <Zakim> +pshab; got it
15:04:08 <em> regrets: mackenzie, mick
15:04:18 <em> regrets: markb
15:04:30 <em> present: em, steve, paul
15:05:35 <em> expected - stefano, ryan, david
15:05:57 <em> http://simile.mit.edu/wiki/MeetingAgenda15April2004
15:06:04 <em> ^ agenda
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15:12:14 <ryanlee> [discussing DevDay]
15:12:23 <stefanom> about to join
15:13:40 <ryanlee> Steve: maybe Wednesday or Thursday, but not DevDay
15:13:55 <ryanlee> ryanlee: can be there for the whole thing
15:14:15 <ryanlee> pshab: will be there
15:14:29 <ryanlee> em: we should figure out who will speak
15:14:42 <ryanlee> SteveGarland: stefano will have had a dry run in Crete by then
15:15:18 <stefanom> can you guys give me the phone number to call
15:15:24 <stefanom> I'm having trouble with my email
15:15:33 <ryanlee> +1.617.761.6200
15:16:00 <ryanlee> code 7464
15:16:02 <stefanom> what else do i need?
15:16:08 <stefanom> ok
15:16:18 <Zakim> + +1.857.222.aaaa
15:17:07 <em> zakim, +1.857.222.aaaa is stefano
15:17:07 <Zakim> +stefano; got it
15:17:48 <ryanlee> em: stefano, have you thought about attending www2004?
15:18:07 <pshab> em:uk digitisation projects part of New Opporuntities Fund are listed here. Might be some potential collections there.
15:18:11 <pshab> http://www.enrichuk.net/
15:18:12 <ryanlee> stefano: i would like to go, i don't have a problem presenting or with someone else presenting
15:19:04 <ryanlee> em: i strongly suggest you go (if a travel budget exists)
15:19:18 <ryanlee> ...having the whole simile team there would be good
15:19:26 <ryanlee> ...will ask Mark what his plans are
15:20:26 <ryanlee> stefano: it would be nice to rotate speakers
15:21:55 <Zakim> +Karger
15:22:45 <pshab> em: people from the MESMUSES project woudl be useful to hear at Dev Day http://galileo.imss.firenze.it/mesmuses/index.html
15:22:57 <pshab> in the context of museum and sem web
15:23:09 <ryanlee> em: david, are you planning on being at www2004?
15:23:32 <ryanlee> Karger: not resolved yet
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15:23:42 <ryanlee> === Additional datasets ===
15:23:51 <ryanlee> em: stefano, any updates from MacKenzie?
15:24:02 <pshab> ah. need to fix convention - I was using em: to say I was talking to em: rather that em: was speaking!
15:24:18 <ryanlee> stefano: getting in touch with the ArchNet guys, not much time to work on it
15:24:22 <AndyS> AndyS has left #simile
15:24:41 <ryanlee> ...MacKenzie ran into some problems with another team
15:25:12 <ryanlee> ...i can try to keep working on it, but she's the one with the contacts
15:25:46 <ryanlee> em: what was the purpose of these datasets?
15:26:07 <ryanlee> stefano: certainly to try to scale on the schema level and experiment on ui, etc
15:26:19 <ryanlee> ...though Mark is the one who requested those specifically
15:28:15 <ryanlee> em: different datasets would be useful to show off
15:28:29 <ryanlee> stefano: we'd like to focus on more connections between data instead of just more data
15:28:40 <ryanlee> em: so diversity of datasets
15:28:46 <ryanlee> stefano: yes
15:29:13 <em> http://simile.mit.edu/wiki/DatasetsKnowledgeBase
15:29:29 <em> - Datasets Knowledge Base
15:30:28 <ryanlee> stefano: just keep adding to the wiki page
15:31:15 <ryanlee> em: it would be good to indicate the redistribution license on that page as well
15:33:04 <ryanlee> === Infrastructure ===
15:33:10 <em> q?
15:33:18 <ryanlee> stefano: i'm satisfied with the results
15:33:27 <ryanlee> ...the subversion repository is in place
15:33:43 <stefanom> http://simile.mit.edu/wiki/TodoList
15:33:59 <ryanlee> ...the discussion we had about where to host the mailing lists
15:34:19 <ryanlee> ...branding is more the issue than technology
15:34:44 <Zakim> -Karger
15:35:06 <em> zakim, who is here?
15:35:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveG, Emiller, pshab, Ryan_Lee, stefano
15:35:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see stefanom, ryanlee, pshab, RRSAgent, Zakim, SteveGarland, em
15:35:39 <stefanom> http://simile.mit.edu/wiki/TodoList
15:35:46 <ryanlee> ...there's also a list of other things in place
15:35:51 <ryanlee> http://simile.mit.edu/wiki/HardwareSoftwareUsed ?
15:36:04 <stefanom> http://simile.mit.edu/wiki/HardwareSoftwareUsed
15:36:43 <Zakim> +Karger
15:36:53 <em> welcome back david :)
15:36:57 <ryanlee> stefanom: the infrastructure right now is hurting us
15:37:23 <ryanlee> stefanom: i believe we should have two lists: general for non-code folks, dev for developers
15:37:56 <ryanlee> ...all the knowledge will be broadcast across the lists
15:38:24 <ryanlee> ...if the information flows well across the infrastructure, it could reduce coordination needs
15:38:47 <ryanlee> ...i'm cloning the Apache infrastructure, getting the Apache infr. team input
15:39:21 <ryanlee> ...the password protection on the server is for any incoming data, including the wiki
15:39:57 <ryanlee> ...which is to avoid spam, since right now i don't think we have outside contributors
15:40:36 <ryanlee> ...questions?
15:40:58 <ryanlee> em: yes, though i've said it all over email - who's on which lists?
15:41:15 <ryanlee> stefano: four developers on dev, eight of us on general
15:42:05 <ryanlee> Karger: no strong feelings; i'm willing to cede the decision to stefano
15:42:44 <ryanlee> stefanom: i'm willing to be in charge of the infrastructure
15:44:45 <ryanlee> em: your branding points are good, but i am concerned about single points of failure
15:44:59 <ryanlee> ...we have an installed userbase on the www-rdf-dspace list
15:45:12 <ryanlee> ...and they haven't seen much going on
15:46:00 <ryanlee> ...part of the infrastructure isn't there, i'm concerned about spending too much time building what's already there
15:46:18 <ryanlee> s/already there/readily available elsewhere/
15:46:44 <ryanlee> ...archives and long term preservation are important to me
15:47:05 <ryanlee> ...taking advantage of the Apache method is appropriate here
15:47:20 <ryanlee> ...but there's a balancing act between branding and effort
15:48:29 <ryanlee> stefanom: do you have an issue with the mailing list, or some other part?
15:49:14 <ryanlee> em: primarily with you taking everything on, secondarily with what already exists
15:51:00 <ryanlee> stefanom: it's not a critical point of failure here, there are library sysadmins to help
15:51:14 <ryanlee> ...i don't expect to maintain much after setting up
15:51:50 <ryanlee> em: by experience, i think you will be maintaining quite a bit
15:52:04 <ryanlee> ...for the time being, i suggest focusing on what's not available elsewhere
15:53:27 <ryanlee> ...so i suggest a phased approach, and if it all turns out rock solid, then move the rest
15:53:49 <ryanlee> stefanom: i can appreciate that
15:54:16 <ryanlee> ...one minor thing, it makes a bigger impact if there's a unified announcement of change
15:56:46 <ryanlee> em: so we'll think of it as a phased thing
15:57:52 <ryanlee> stefanom: ok, i think we've reached concensus
15:58:32 <ryanlee> ...i have a patch for sending diffs, like CVS
15:59:02 <ryanlee> ...the wiki should be read-only for all, write for us
15:59:48 <ryanlee> Karger: i'll be in HP-Palo Alto on Monday and Tuesday
15:59:58 <Zakim> -Karger
16:00:00 <ryanlee> ...and i can meet with those interested in simile then
16:00:30 <ryanlee> stefanom: i'll be gone next week, probably gone for telecon
16:00:36 <ryanlee> pshab: as will i
16:00:41 <em> --- next telecon - apr 22
16:00:48 <em> regrets: stefano, paul
16:01:02 <ryanlee> stefanom: MacKenzie wants feedback on the milestones document
16:01:27 <ryanlee> ...since she has to turn it in at the end of the month
16:01:50 <ryanlee> ...one thing missing from it is the decision to build an open-source framework for semweb browsers
16:03:19 <ryanlee> em: if we go with that, i'd like to mention it at DevDay
16:03:59 <ryanlee> SteveGarland: i plan to spend some time polishing it next week
16:04:07 <ryanlee> em: who owns this document?
16:04:38 <ryanlee> SteveGarland: i'm the one editing it on the dev team
16:05:22 <em> === development status
16:05:45 <em> ryan: mark, has gotten (some datasets) into RDF
16:07:34 <em> q+
16:07:43 <em> q+ to ask about which datasets and where they are at
16:09:16 <pshab> me/ phone connection disconnected...
16:09:32 <em> q+ to talk about symbolic / sub-symbolic ideas
16:09:39 <em> zakim, who is here?
16:09:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveG, Emiller, pshab, Ryan_Lee, stefano
16:09:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see stefanom, ryanlee, pshab, RRSAgent, Zakim, SteveGarland, em
16:09:55 <em> pshab, zakim thinks your still here?
16:10:07 <em> q?
16:10:09 <em> acm em
16:10:11 <em> ack em
16:10:11 <Zakim> em, you wanted to ask about which datasets and where they are at and to talk about symbolic / sub-symbolic ideas
16:10:11 <pshab> :-) I'm not!
16:11:29 <pshab> sorry about this my phone is playing up... can't dial out...
16:12:18 <em> action: stefano to create simile.mit.edu page of data-sets and their RDF representatinos and/or translation tools)
16:13:24 <pshab> my phone is out... will watch irc
16:13:51 <ryanlee> stefanom: i think it would take a lot of work to make it industrial solid
16:14:07 <ryanlee> em: it would be good just to have the page for now
16:14:18 <ryanlee> ...translation services would be cool, but that's another task
16:16:05 <Zakim> -pshab
16:19:01 <em> meeting adjourned
16:19:08 <em> rssagent, make this public
16:19:14 <em> rrsagent, make this public
16:19:14 <em> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make this public', em.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:19:17 <Zakim> -stefano
16:19:30 <pshab> bye
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16:20:10 <em> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
16:20:20 <em> rrsagent, pointer?
16:20:20 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2004/04/15-simile-irc#T16-20-20
16:27:24 <Zakim> -SteveG
16:27:29 <em> zakim, who is here?
16:27:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Emiller, Ryan_Lee
16:27:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see ryanlee, RRSAgent, Zakim, SteveGarland, em
16:30:06 <Zakim> -Ryan_Lee
16:35:06 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Emiller, in SW_Simile()11:00AM
16:35:07 <Zakim> SW_Simile()11:00AM has ended
16:35:08 <Zakim> Attendees were SteveG, Emiller, pshab, Ryan_Lee, stefano, Karger
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