IRC log of simile on 2004-04-15

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14:54:29 [em]
zakim, this will be Simile
14:54:29 [Zakim]
ok, em; I see SW_Simile()11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
14:54:43 [em]
RRSAgent, pointer?
14:54:43 [RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2004/04/15-simile-irc#T14-54-43
14:58:28 [Zakim]
SW_Simile()11:00AM has now started
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+SteveG
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+??P10
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-??P10
14:59:38 [em]
zakim, dial emiller-bos
14:59:39 [Zakim]
ok, em; the call is being made
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+Emiller
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15:00:45 [pshab]
hi em
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+??P5
15:01:34 [em]
zakim, ??P5 is pshab
15:01:36 [Zakim]
+pshab; got it
15:04:08 [em]
regrets: mackenzie, mick
15:04:18 [em]
regrets: markb
15:04:30 [em]
present: em, steve, paul
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expected - stefano, ryan, david
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http://simile.mit.edu/wiki/MeetingAgenda15April2004
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^ agenda
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+Ryan_Lee
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15:12:14 [ryanlee]
[discussing DevDay]
15:12:23 [stefanom]
about to join
15:13:40 [ryanlee]
Steve: maybe Wednesday or Thursday, but not DevDay
15:13:55 [ryanlee]
ryanlee: can be there for the whole thing
15:14:15 [ryanlee]
pshab: will be there
15:14:29 [ryanlee]
em: we should figure out who will speak
15:14:42 [ryanlee]
SteveGarland: stefano will have had a dry run in Crete by then
15:15:18 [stefanom]
can you guys give me the phone number to call
15:15:24 [stefanom]
I'm having trouble with my email
15:15:33 [ryanlee]
+1.617.761.6200
15:16:00 [ryanlee]
code 7464
15:16:02 [stefanom]
what else do i need?
15:16:08 [stefanom]
ok
15:16:18 [Zakim]
+ +1.857.222.aaaa
15:17:07 [em]
zakim, +1.857.222.aaaa is stefano
15:17:07 [Zakim]
+stefano; got it
15:17:48 [ryanlee]
em: stefano, have you thought about attending www2004?
15:18:07 [pshab]
em:uk digitisation projects part of New Opporuntities Fund are listed here. Might be some potential collections there.
15:18:11 [pshab]
http://www.enrichuk.net/
15:18:12 [ryanlee]
stefano: i would like to go, i don't have a problem presenting or with someone else presenting
15:19:04 [ryanlee]
em: i strongly suggest you go (if a travel budget exists)
15:19:18 [ryanlee]
...having the whole simile team there would be good
15:19:26 [ryanlee]
...will ask Mark what his plans are
15:20:26 [ryanlee]
stefano: it would be nice to rotate speakers
15:21:55 [Zakim]
+Karger
15:22:45 [pshab]
em: people from the MESMUSES project woudl be useful to hear at Dev Day http://galileo.imss.firenze.it/mesmuses/index.html
15:22:57 [pshab]
in the context of museum and sem web
15:23:09 [ryanlee]
em: david, are you planning on being at www2004?
15:23:32 [ryanlee]
Karger: not resolved yet
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=== Additional datasets ===
15:23:51 [ryanlee]
em: stefano, any updates from MacKenzie?
15:24:02 [pshab]
ah. need to fix convention - I was using em: to say I was talking to em: rather that em: was speaking!
15:24:18 [ryanlee]
stefano: getting in touch with the ArchNet guys, not much time to work on it
15:24:22 [AndyS]
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15:24:41 [ryanlee]
...MacKenzie ran into some problems with another team
15:25:12 [ryanlee]
...i can try to keep working on it, but she's the one with the contacts
15:25:46 [ryanlee]
em: what was the purpose of these datasets?
15:26:07 [ryanlee]
stefano: certainly to try to scale on the schema level and experiment on ui, etc
15:26:19 [ryanlee]
...though Mark is the one who requested those specifically
15:28:15 [ryanlee]
em: different datasets would be useful to show off
15:28:29 [ryanlee]
stefano: we'd like to focus on more connections between data instead of just more data
15:28:40 [ryanlee]
em: so diversity of datasets
15:28:46 [ryanlee]
stefano: yes
15:29:13 [em]
http://simile.mit.edu/wiki/DatasetsKnowledgeBase
15:29:29 [em]
- Datasets Knowledge Base
15:30:28 [ryanlee]
stefano: just keep adding to the wiki page
15:31:15 [ryanlee]
em: it would be good to indicate the redistribution license on that page as well
15:33:04 [ryanlee]
=== Infrastructure ===
15:33:10 [em]
q?
15:33:18 [ryanlee]
stefano: i'm satisfied with the results
15:33:27 [ryanlee]
...the subversion repository is in place
15:33:43 [stefanom]
http://simile.mit.edu/wiki/TodoList
15:33:59 [ryanlee]
...the discussion we had about where to host the mailing lists
15:34:19 [ryanlee]
...branding is more the issue than technology
15:34:44 [Zakim]
-Karger
15:35:06 [em]
zakim, who is here?
15:35:06 [Zakim]
On the phone I see SteveG, Emiller, pshab, Ryan_Lee, stefano
15:35:07 [Zakim]
On IRC I see stefanom, ryanlee, pshab, RRSAgent, Zakim, SteveGarland, em
15:35:39 [stefanom]
http://simile.mit.edu/wiki/TodoList
15:35:46 [ryanlee]
...there's also a list of other things in place
15:35:51 [ryanlee]
http://simile.mit.edu/wiki/HardwareSoftwareUsed ?
15:36:04 [stefanom]
http://simile.mit.edu/wiki/HardwareSoftwareUsed
15:36:43 [Zakim]
+Karger
15:36:53 [em]
welcome back david :)
15:36:57 [ryanlee]
stefanom: the infrastructure right now is hurting us
15:37:23 [ryanlee]
stefanom: i believe we should have two lists: general for non-code folks, dev for developers
15:37:56 [ryanlee]
...all the knowledge will be broadcast across the lists
15:38:24 [ryanlee]
...if the information flows well across the infrastructure, it could reduce coordination needs
15:38:47 [ryanlee]
...i'm cloning the Apache infrastructure, getting the Apache infr. team input
15:39:21 [ryanlee]
...the password protection on the server is for any incoming data, including the wiki
15:39:57 [ryanlee]
...which is to avoid spam, since right now i don't think we have outside contributors
15:40:36 [ryanlee]
...questions?
15:40:58 [ryanlee]
em: yes, though i've said it all over email - who's on which lists?
15:41:15 [ryanlee]
stefano: four developers on dev, eight of us on general
15:42:05 [ryanlee]
Karger: no strong feelings; i'm willing to cede the decision to stefano
15:42:44 [ryanlee]
stefanom: i'm willing to be in charge of the infrastructure
15:44:45 [ryanlee]
em: your branding points are good, but i am concerned about single points of failure
15:44:59 [ryanlee]
...we have an installed userbase on the www-rdf-dspace list
15:45:12 [ryanlee]
...and they haven't seen much going on
15:46:00 [ryanlee]
...part of the infrastructure isn't there, i'm concerned about spending too much time building what's already there
15:46:18 [ryanlee]
s/already there/readily available elsewhere/
15:46:44 [ryanlee]
...archives and long term preservation are important to me
15:47:05 [ryanlee]
...taking advantage of the Apache method is appropriate here
15:47:20 [ryanlee]
...but there's a balancing act between branding and effort
15:48:29 [ryanlee]
stefanom: do you have an issue with the mailing list, or some other part?
15:49:14 [ryanlee]
em: primarily with you taking everything on, secondarily with what already exists
15:51:00 [ryanlee]
stefanom: it's not a critical point of failure here, there are library sysadmins to help
15:51:14 [ryanlee]
...i don't expect to maintain much after setting up
15:51:50 [ryanlee]
em: by experience, i think you will be maintaining quite a bit
15:52:04 [ryanlee]
...for the time being, i suggest focusing on what's not available elsewhere
15:53:27 [ryanlee]
...so i suggest a phased approach, and if it all turns out rock solid, then move the rest
15:53:49 [ryanlee]
stefanom: i can appreciate that
15:54:16 [ryanlee]
...one minor thing, it makes a bigger impact if there's a unified announcement of change
15:56:46 [ryanlee]
em: so we'll think of it as a phased thing
15:57:52 [ryanlee]
stefanom: ok, i think we've reached concensus
15:58:32 [ryanlee]
...i have a patch for sending diffs, like CVS
15:59:02 [ryanlee]
...the wiki should be read-only for all, write for us
15:59:48 [ryanlee]
Karger: i'll be in HP-Palo Alto on Monday and Tuesday
15:59:58 [Zakim]
-Karger
16:00:00 [ryanlee]
...and i can meet with those interested in simile then
16:00:30 [ryanlee]
stefanom: i'll be gone next week, probably gone for telecon
16:00:36 [ryanlee]
pshab: as will i
16:00:41 [em]
--- next telecon - apr 22
16:00:48 [em]
regrets: stefano, paul
16:01:27 [ryanlee]
...since she has to turn it in at the end of the month
16:01:50 [ryanlee]
...one thing missing from it is the decision to build an open-source framework for semweb browsers
16:03:19 [ryanlee]
em: if we go with that, i'd like to mention it at DevDay
16:03:59 [ryanlee]
SteveGarland: i plan to spend some time polishing it next week
16:04:07 [ryanlee]
em: who owns this document?
16:04:38 [ryanlee]
SteveGarland: i'm the one editing it on the dev team
16:05:22 [em]
=== development status
16:05:45 [em]
ryan: mark, has gotten (some datasets) into RDF
16:07:34 [em]
q+
16:07:43 [em]
q+ to ask about which datasets and where they are at
16:09:16 [pshab]
me/ phone connection disconnected...
16:09:32 [em]
q+ to talk about symbolic / sub-symbolic ideas
16:09:39 [em]
zakim, who is here?
16:09:39 [Zakim]
On the phone I see SteveG, Emiller, pshab, Ryan_Lee, stefano
16:09:40 [Zakim]
On IRC I see stefanom, ryanlee, pshab, RRSAgent, Zakim, SteveGarland, em
16:09:55 [em]
pshab, zakim thinks your still here?
16:10:07 [em]
q?
16:10:09 [em]
acm em
16:10:11 [em]
ack em
16:10:11 [Zakim]
em, you wanted to ask about which datasets and where they are at and to talk about symbolic / sub-symbolic ideas
16:10:11 [pshab]
:-) I'm not!
16:11:29 [pshab]
sorry about this my phone is playing up... can't dial out...
16:12:18 [em]
action: stefano to create simile.mit.edu page of data-sets and their RDF representatinos and/or translation tools)
16:13:24 [pshab]
my phone is out... will watch irc
16:13:51 [ryanlee]
stefanom: i think it would take a lot of work to make it industrial solid
16:14:07 [ryanlee]
em: it would be good just to have the page for now
16:14:18 [ryanlee]
...translation services would be cool, but that's another task
16:16:05 [Zakim]
-pshab
16:19:01 [em]
meeting adjourned
16:19:08 [em]
rssagent, make this public
16:19:14 [em]
rrsagent, make this public
16:19:14 [em]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'make this public', em. Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:19:17 [Zakim]
-stefano
16:19:30 [pshab]
bye
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16:20:10 [em]
rrsagent, set logs world-visible
16:20:20 [em]
rrsagent, pointer?
16:20:20 [RRSAgent]
See http://www.w3.org/2004/04/15-simile-irc#T16-20-20
16:27:24 [Zakim]
-SteveG
16:27:29 [em]
zakim, who is here?
16:27:29 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Emiller, Ryan_Lee
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On IRC I see ryanlee, RRSAgent, Zakim, SteveGarland, em
16:30:06 [Zakim]
-Ryan_Lee
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disconnecting the lone participant, Emiller, in SW_Simile()11:00AM
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SW_Simile()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were SteveG, Emiller, pshab, Ryan_Lee, stefano, Karger
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