IRC log of wai-wcag on 2004-02-25
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- 15:05:29 [wendy]
- zakim, this is WCAG
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- wendy, this was already WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM
- 15:05:30 [Zakim]
- ok, wendy; that matches WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM
- 15:05:34 [Zakim]
- +Wendy
- 15:05:43 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 15:05:43 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [Microsoft], ??P8, Ben, Michael_Cooper, Chris_Ridpath, Tim_Boland, Don_Evans, ??P12, Wendy
- 15:05:56 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P12 might be Lisa_Seeman
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- I don't understand '??P12 might be Lisa_Seeman', wendy
- 15:06:22 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P8 may be David_MacDonald
- 15:06:22 [Zakim]
- +David_MacDonald?; got it
- 15:06:27 [MichaelC]
- Ok Matt
- 15:07:02 [wendy]
- agenda+ test matrix
- 15:07:09 [wendy]
- agenda+ wcag 1.0 errata
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- agenda+ t.p. agenda
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- take up item 1
- 15:09:18 [wendy]
- it's a table that lists all the diff platforms, technologies. use it to prioritize what we commit to test or gather information.
- 15:09:47 [wendy]
- a way to communicate to everyone that we can't pick a few technologies but that we also can't test everything.
- 15:10:56 [wendy]
- 2 open issues: list of technologies, how we define (and assign) priorities
- 15:11:13 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 15:11:13 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [Microsoft], David_MacDonald?, Ben, Michael_Cooper, Chris_Ridpath, Tim_Boland, Don_Evans (muted), ??P12, Wendy
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- 15:12:12 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 15:12:12 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [Microsoft], David_MacDonald?, Ben, Michael_Cooper, Chris_Ridpath, Tim_Boland, Don_Evans (muted), ??P12, Wendy
- 15:12:44 [wendy]
- [10:09] <wendy> it's a table that lists all the diff platforms, technologies. use it to prioritize what we commit to test or gather information.
- 15:12:44 [wendy]
- [10:09] <wendy> a way to communicate to everyone that we can't pick a few technologies but that we also can't test everything.
- 15:12:44 [wendy]
- [10:10] <wendy> 2 open issues: list of technologies, how we define (and assign) priorities
- 15:13:27 [MichaelC]
- zakim, ??P12 is Lisa_Seeman
- 15:13:27 [Zakim]
- +Lisa_Seeman; got it
- 15:14:28 [wendy]
- QA documents don't talk about doing this. This is based on basic testing knowledge.
- 15:14:50 [wendy]
- action jenae: share info about test matrix witholivier
- 15:15:54 [wendy]
- at f2f, talk about test matrix, discuss priorities
- 15:18:25 [Zakim]
- +David_D
- 15:18:57 [wendy]
- propose p1: onus on us to test or gather info (must test), p2 should gather info (but probably won't) p3 would be great but won't.
- 15:19:30 [wendy]
- who is or is not qualified to provide the info?
- 15:19:59 [wendy]
- get the vendors involved in the testing. if we open up to anyone, do we verify results?
- 15:21:09 [wendy]
- euroaccessibility defining a methodology for verifying test cases.
- 15:21:47 [wendy]
- EARL has provisions for that - say who makes the assertion (as well as confidence)
- 15:23:12 [wendy]
- perhaps p1 implies that either we test it or gather 3 test results that agree (i.e., from 3 compatiblity matrices or 3 testers)
- 15:26:59 [wendy]
- how address multiple scenarios. an issue of test cases.
- 15:27:55 [wendy]
- open issue: granularity of test suite. how address multiple scenarios. (question from lisa seeman)
- 15:29:18 [wendy]
- action lisa: send email summarizing issue of granularity of test cases and how to address multiple scenarios.
- 15:32:52 [Zakim]
- +??P25
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- 15:33:33 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:33:33 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see [Microsoft], David_MacDonald?, Ben, Michael_Cooper, Chris_Ridpath, Tim_Boland, Don_Evans (muted), Lisa_Seeman, Wendy, David_D, ??P25
- 15:33:42 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, ??P25 is Tom
- 15:33:42 [Zakim]
- +Tom; got it
- 15:33:46 [sh1mmer]
- Zakim, I am Tom
- 15:33:46 [Zakim]
- ok, sh1mmer, I now associate you with Tom
- 15:34:49 [wendy]
- techs should give guidance to which techniques to adopt - browser and asst tech support, "future"
- 15:37:01 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 15:37:37 [wendy]
- action jenae: look for advice from QA documents about gathering test data.
- 15:38:08 [wendy]
- ack Microsoft
- 15:38:14 [wendy]
- ack [Microsoft]
- 15:39:16 [wendy]
- open issue: weighting techniques? currently provide some info (future, optional, etc.). will we use user agent support info to influence these labels?
- 15:39:49 [wendy]
- in other words, recommend one technique over another based on user agent support.
- 15:40:30 [wendy]
- shouldn't we be recommending one technique over another?
- 15:41:07 [wendy]
- some techs that are currently listed as future, b/c of user agent support. not best way to go.
- 15:44:30 [Zakim]
- -David_D
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- +David_D
- 15:46:03 [wendy]
- take up item 2
- 15:46:42 [wendy]
- most authors won't want to wade through info themselves. will want "do this or that"
- 15:49:18 [wendy]
- at f2f discuss test matrix. discuss priorities. apply priorities to matrix.
- 15:50:01 [wendy]
- Test cases for WCAG 1.0 Errata and WCAG 2.0 HTML Techniques
- 15:50:06 [wendy]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2004JanMar/att-0365/testcases.html
- 15:50:25 [sh1mmer]
- -q
- 15:50:26 [wendy]
- ack Tom
- 15:50:38 [wendy]
- ack David
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- -Tim_Boland
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- two possible next steps: begin gathering data or propose new tests
- 16:08:49 [wendy]
- chris was going to send tests for until user agent issues
- 16:09:18 [wendy]
- action: chris take table, add column for his tests, fill in
- 16:09:52 [wendy]
- have to group by next monday
- 16:10:05 [wendy]
- part of f2f agenda: go through this issue
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wcag20.html#techniques-tests
- 16:11:42 [wendy]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/tests/UA-support.html
- 16:21:47 [Zakim]
- -Michael_Cooper
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- -Tom
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- -Wendy
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -Ben
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- -Chris_Ridpath
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- -David_MacDonald?
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- -David_D
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- -Don_Evans
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- 16:35:00 [Zakim]
- disconnecting the lone participant, Lisa_Seeman, in WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM
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- WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were [Microsoft], Ben, Michael_Cooper, Chris_Ridpath, Tim_Boland, Don_Evans, Wendy, David_MacDonald?, Lisa_Seeman, David_D, Tom
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- zakim, bye
- 16:37:15 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 16:37:15 [RRSAgent]
- I see 4 open action items:
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- ACTION: jenae to share info about test matrix witholivier [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/25-wai-wcag-irc#T15-14-50
- 16:37:15 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: lisa to send email summarizing issue of granularity of test cases and how to address multiple scenarios. [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/25-wai-wcag-irc#T15-29-18
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- ACTION: jenae to look for advice from QA documents about gathering test data. [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/25-wai-wcag-irc#T15-37-37
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- ACTION: chris take table, add column for his tests, fill in [4]
- 16:37:15 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2004/02/25-wai-wcag-irc#T16-09-18
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