IRC log of wai-wcag on 2003-12-10
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- 15:05:03 [RRSAgent]
- RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag
- 15:05:09 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 15:05:09 [Zakim]
- sorry, wendy, I don't know what conference this is
- 15:05:10 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, wendy, ben
- 15:05:17 [wendy]
- zakim, list conferences
- 15:05:17 [Zakim]
- I see DI_DIWG()10:00AM, HTML_WG()10:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM, WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM active and no others scheduled
- 15:05:22 [wendy]
- zakim, this is WAI_WCAG
- 15:05:22 [Zakim]
- ok, wendy
- 15:05:26 [wendy]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 15:05:26 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Michael_Cooper, ??P12, Wendy, Mark
- 15:05:48 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P12 is Ben_Caldwell
- 15:05:48 [Zakim]
- +Ben_Caldwell; got it
- 15:05:59 [wendy]
- zakim, Mark is Lisa_Seeman
- 15:05:59 [Zakim]
- +Lisa_Seeman; got it
- 15:07:25 [ben]
- zakim, ??P12 is Ben.
- 15:07:25 [Zakim]
- sorry, ben, I do not recognize a party named '??P12'
- 15:11:33 [wendy]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2003/12/wttf.html
- 15:13:38 [wendy]
- another objective: contribute to solidity of guideline by developing techniques in parallel of guidelines.
- 15:14:30 [wendy]
- if participating in TTF (4 hrs/week) then should be considered an active participant in wcag wg. need to check on process doc requirements related to task forces.
- 15:15:29 [wendy]
- min 2 hours: 1.5 hours of that is the telecon.
- 15:16:25 [wendy]
- say, "participation in TTF (min 4 hours/week) can get you good standing in wcag wg" ??
- 15:17:49 [wendy]
- "how to join" specifically say something about working on task force?
- 15:18:16 [wendy]
- be careful that people don't see this as an alternative to the WCAG WG, but a subgroup of.
- 15:19:55 [wendy]
- "welcome to the WCAG WG..." talk about telecons, task force, etc.
- 15:20:20 [wendy]
- (people who become new participants would get this)
- 15:22:20 [wendy]
- QA stuff - next week
- 15:22:44 [wendy]
- === techniques gateway
- 15:28:11 [wendy]
- ack lisa
- 15:31:27 [Zakim]
- +David_D
- 15:33:02 [wendy]
- take each guideline and break it into scenarios. e.g., different instructions for writing a text equivalent.
- 15:33:09 [wendy]
- (should we do this?)
- 15:33:55 [wendy]
- img spacer, img background, img background w/implied content, bullet w/out info, bullet w/info (e.g., new item)
- 15:34:45 [wendy]
- we've asked this question before, there is some amount of this that needs to be done in gateway other is general education.
- 15:35:58 [wendy]
- wizard, decision tree.
- 15:38:50 [wendy]
- action: lisa summarize ideas for "wizard/decision tree/scenarios" as proposal to group to start discussion on the list. provide a couple concrete examples to clarify possible direction to head.
- 15:41:27 [wendy]
- action: ben, michael, wendy go through changes to techniques gateway and identify the current draft.
- 15:41:53 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 15:43:44 [wendy]
- ===
- 15:43:46 [wendy]
- QA
- 15:44:24 [wendy]
- jenae's message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2003OctDec/0456.html
- 15:44:37 [wendy]
- olivier's message: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2003OctDec/0461.html
- 15:45:05 [wendy]
- people should read QA test framework guideline. then we can talk about each of the guidelines.
- 15:45:14 [wendy]
- a group evaluation would be a good thing.
- 15:46:23 [wendy]
- our proposed charter was written w/an older version of their materials. do we change our charter and if so, to which level?
- 15:51:11 [wendy]
- use of rfc2119 (must/should/may) a "should" in a priority 2 checkpoin in spec GL. (checkpoint 7.1 of spec GL)
- 15:54:30 [wendy]
- jenae has been brainstorming about a "getting started-like" document.
- 15:55:34 [wendy]
- related to QA process document (it inspired these thoughts0
- 15:57:32 [wendy]
- action: jenae contact olivier to talk about QA process document (brainstorm and questions)
- 16:01:44 [wendy]
- proposed charter says "level 3" but QA has changed. won't update until they get to Recommendation (around june when we are renewing our charter?)
- 16:02:32 [wendy]
- Checkpoint 1.3 Priority 3 is interesting it says we must commit to
- 16:02:32 [wendy]
- complete test materials specifically one test cases for every
- 16:02:33 [wendy]
- identifiable conformance requirement. WCAG WG Question #2: Would the
- 16:02:33 [wendy]
- total of test cases for us be: Total = checkpoints * technologies?
- 16:02:33 [wendy]
- Checkpoint 1.4 Priority 1 requests that we enumerate QA deliverables and
- 16:02:33 [wendy]
- expected milestones.
- 16:02:56 [wendy]
- are we doing test cases for techniques or guidelines? for guidelines, it might be different.
- 16:03:06 [wendy]
- for techniques, at least one test case per technique.
- 16:03:40 [wendy]
- do techniques test cases satisfy test cases needed for guidelines?
- 16:04:14 [wendy]
- ack lisa
- 16:04:28 [wendy]
- similar to euroaccessibility group. working on methodology for testing evaluation tools.
- 16:04:53 [wendy]
- also creating list of test cases.
- 16:05:16 [wendy]
- use evaluation tools to go through the test cases to evaluate a tool.
- 16:05:38 [wendy]
- coordination w/euroaccessiblity is starting. hope for shared test cases.
- 16:05:39 [Zakim]
- +??P25
- 16:06:11 [wendy]
- zakim, ??P25 is Tom_Croucher
- 16:06:11 [Zakim]
- +Tom_Croucher; got it
- 16:08:10 [wendy]
- euroaccessibility looking at WCAG 1.0 and HTML. plans to branch out to other technologies?
- 16:08:32 [wendy]
- CSS likely.
- 16:09:05 [wendy]
- resource for developing test cases, for jenae's question the answer is the number of test cases is the number of techniques (at the minimum).
- 16:09:52 [wendy]
- (previous discussion about shared resources for developing test cases. process of developing test cases. jenae's question is how many test cases total)
- 16:10:09 [wendy]
- WCAG WG Question #3: Do we need to complete the QAPD (QA Process
- 16:10:09 [wendy]
- Document template) [7], create a mailing list just for test and create
- 16:10:09 [wendy]
- the test web page?
- 16:10:53 [wendy]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/implementation-testing/Overview.html
- 16:11:40 [wendy]
- this page becomes our QA process document?
- 16:11:41 [wendy]
- sure
- 16:12:20 [wendy]
- they say you should use /tests/ as starting point for all test cases.
- 16:14:10 [wendy]
- they are in candidate recommendation and we are providing them feedback to help them complete the process.
- 16:14:52 [wendy]
- thus, we shouldn't wait to implement these things. (wait on charter, because of w3c process constraints, but not on other guidelines).
- 16:15:19 [wendy]
- Guideline 5. Plan test materials development.
- 16:15:25 [wendy]
- WCAG WG Question #4: Since I have just recently re-joined the group I'm
- 16:15:25 [wendy]
- not sure where we stand on this.
- 16:15:55 [wendy]
- we've done some of this informally but don't have a formal process.
- 16:16:22 [wendy]
- we should put a formal process in place. do they provide info about how?
- 16:16:38 [wendy]
- some should be answered by our process document.
- 16:21:56 [wendy]
- so - jenae and olivier will talk and discuss a proposal
- 16:21:58 [wendy]
- ===
- 16:22:01 [wendy]
- next week's meeting:
- 16:22:07 [wendy]
- - techniques gateway and css techs
- 16:22:13 [wendy]
- perhaps QA if jenae has answers by then
- 16:22:25 [wendy]
- rdf techniques likely to be postponed (for variety of issues)
- 16:22:40 [wendy]
- ===
- 16:23:28 [wendy]
- techniques gateway: text equivalents section changed and nothing else (ala Tom).
- 16:25:13 [wendy]
- zakim, mute Tom
- 16:25:13 [Zakim]
- Tom_Croucher should now be muted
- 16:26:15 [wendy]
- ===
- 16:26:18 [wendy]
- user agents support page
- 16:26:33 [wendy]
- for next week
- 16:28:23 [wendy]
- no meetings 24 and 31 december?
- 16:28:52 [wendy]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/Resources/WAI-UA-Support
- 16:29:03 [Zakim]
- -Wendy
- 16:29:04 [Zakim]
- -Tom_Croucher
- 16:29:05 [Zakim]
- -Michael_Cooper
- 16:29:06 [Zakim]
- -[Microsoft]
- 16:29:07 [Zakim]
- -Lisa_Seeman
- 16:29:08 [Zakim]
- -David_D
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- -Ben_Caldwell
- 16:29:09 [Zakim]
- WAI_WCAG(techniques)10:00AM has ended
- 16:29:10 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Michael_Cooper, Wendy, Ben_Caldwell, Lisa_Seeman, David_D, [Microsoft], Tom_Croucher
- 16:30:28 [wendy]
- [Microsoft] is Jenae Andershonis
- 16:43:43 [ben]
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