IRC log of wai-wcag on 2003-08-21
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- 20:27:33 [RRSAgent]
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- 20:27:51 [wendy]
- wac reads proposed changes to charter. no issues.
- 20:28:03 [wendy]
- wac will inform judy to move forward w/charter
- 20:28:05 [wendy]
- ===
- 20:28:33 [wendy]
- abbreviations, acronyms, and unambiguous language is similar.
- 20:28:38 [wendy]
- need to translate between languages.
- 20:29:13 [wendy]
- someone point to any word on page and get definition and pronunciation.
- 20:29:22 [Zakim]
- +Dave_MacDonald
- 20:30:21 [wendy]
- ability to mark up individual items but also a mechanism to prevent having to do that too much.
- 20:30:33 [wendy]
- end result: simple rules for disambiguation
- 20:31:17 [wendy]
- every time translate to simpler form, lose some information. but if don't some people can't understand.
- 20:31:24 [wendy]
- means each page would have to be in multiple forms.
- 20:31:25 [wendy]
- q?
- 20:31:34 [wendy]
- ack sh1mmer
- 20:31:41 [wendy]
- plain english campaign?
- 20:32:14 [wendy]
- there are lexicons such as wordnet that include information to disambiguate words according to context.
- 20:32:46 [wendy]
- invite person specializing in AI to discuss w/the group.
- 20:33:01 [wendy]
- http://www.cogsci.princeton.edu/~wn/
- 20:33:20 [wendy]
- http://www.cyc.com/tech.html
- 20:33:33 [wendy]
- http://www.opencyc.org/
- 20:33:53 [wendy]
- don't have to markup page if it is in a reference dictionary or if you can use cyc
- 20:33:59 [wendy]
- likely language-specific.
- 20:34:43 [wendy]
- re: plain english, trying not to tell people how to write, because want to maintain freedom of expression.
- 20:35:58 [wendy]
- ack john
- 20:36:16 [wendy]
- translating from more to less complex: interesting to start simple and build to complex.
- 20:36:39 [wendy]
- as get deeper into site hierarchy, get more complex. instead of losing info, you gain it.
- 20:36:58 [wendy]
- each level of hierarchy, gets more complex view of topic. start w/most simple, next link is more complex, etc.
- 20:37:18 [wendy]
- changes mindset that you bring to people: instead of losing info, consider gaining info.
- 20:38:11 [wendy]
- not multiple forms of the same page, separate pages that present comparable info.
- 20:38:38 [wendy]
- benefits for other users. effectively generating a summary.
- 20:38:59 [rscano]
- q?
- 20:39:47 [sh1mmer]
- q+
- 20:39:48 [wendy]
- like idea: to markup content but not have to too much. other discussion was about AI, our guidelines need to rely on simpler technologies.
- 20:40:16 [wendy]
- keep it as general and human-oriented as possible.
- 20:40:20 [wendy]
- ack sh1mmer
- 20:40:31 [wendy]
- differentiate the content, language techniques are complex.
- 20:42:00 [wendy]
- AI required to process language, but screen readers might mispronounce words but users can generally adapt to that behavior.
- 20:42:06 [wendy]
- not feasible for the behavior to change.
- 20:42:32 [wendy]
- worry about guidelines that depend on a complex behavior. if we do, who is it helping? what are we looking to do?
- 20:43:56 [wendy]
- marking w/meaning more important than marking with pronunciation.
- 20:44:14 [wendy]
- but, we don't have a standard for doing it.
- 20:44:31 [wendy]
- there is internationalization, translation,...is anyone trying to create a cascading, semantic markup.
- 20:48:31 [wendy]
- OWL FAQ: http://www.w3.org/2003/08/owlfaq
- 20:48:47 [wendy]
- OWL overview: http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/CR-owl-features-20030818/
- 20:50:00 [wendy]
- press release: http://www.w3.org/2003/08/owl-pressrelease
- 20:50:23 [wendy]
- ===
- 20:50:58 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/issuereports/wcag2_issues.php#334
- 20:51:44 [wendy]
- no concerns
- 20:51:45 [wendy]
- ===
- 20:52:20 [wendy]
- http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/issuereports/wcag2_issues.php#332
- 20:54:46 [wendy]
- no concerns.
- 20:54:47 [wendy]
- ===
- 20:55:11 [wendy]
- need to bring edits like this up to the group? if bring to the list and no one comments, enough?
- 20:56:15 [bcaldwell]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2003/07/review_draft.html
- 20:59:34 [wendy]
- ===
- 20:59:48 [Zakim]
- -Andi
- 20:59:49 [Zakim]
- -Kerstin
- 20:59:49 [Zakim]
- -John_Slatin
- 20:59:49 [Zakim]
- -Ben_and_Gregg
- 20:59:50 [Zakim]
- -Dave_MacDonald
- 20:59:51 [Zakim]
- -Doyle_Burnett
- 20:59:52 [Zakim]
- -Michael_Cooper
- 20:59:53 [Zakim]
- -Tom_Croucher
- 20:59:54 [wendy]
- zakim, bye
- 20:59:55 [Zakim]
- Zakim has left #wai-wcag
- 20:59:59 [wendy]
- RRSAgent, bye
- 20:59:59 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items