IRC log of ws-desc on 2003-06-02
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- WS_TF()12:00PM has been moved to #tagmem by Ian
- 16:10:52 [Philippe]
- zakim, this is ws_tf
- 16:10:54 [Zakim]
- ok, Philippe
- 16:12:25 [Philippe]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-state/2003Jun/0001.html
- 16:13:05 [Philippe]
- next week:
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- OGSI ServiceData review
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- following week:
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- WebDAV review
- 16:14:11 [Philippe]
- ideas for the proposal:
- 16:14:14 [Philippe]
- 3 parts
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- - Conceptual overview of the approach (why are we doing this)
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- - how would you model a state in a service interface, implications on inheritance and bindings.
- 16:15:00 [Philippe]
- interface that models the operation to get the data, and query it
- 16:15:11 [Philippe]
- - interface that models the operation to get the data, and query it
- 16:15:29 [Philippe]
- Willima: differences between the last 2?
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- Steve: first is how to model (XSI type, ...). how to define an interface to deal with the state.
- 16:17:33 [Philippe]
- William: first part is ok. second part: abstract model of the states. third is syntax changes.
- 16:17:53 [Philippe]
- changes to define the attribute, and let the consumer how to access it.
- 16:18:38 [Philippe]
- Steve: agree. second part should be a combination between abstract model and implication.
- 16:19:58 [Philippe]
- Steve: 3rd part: abstract model for getters/access + syntax
- 16:21:02 [Philippe]
- William: would prefer to see the abstract model in part 2, and define the syntax in 3.
- 16:22:43 [Philippe]
- use cases and requirements?
- 16:23:03 [Philippe]
- William: use cases are not always useful but requirements are clearly necessary.
- 16:23:17 [sgg]
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- 16:23:24 [Philippe]
- Steve: requirements in section 1, then?
- 16:23:38 [Philippe]
- William: maybe as a separate document
- 16:24:45 [Philippe]
- Philippe: would still be good to have use cases to present the idea to the group.
- 16:25:06 [Philippe]
- Steve: I can harvest those from the OGSI group.
- 16:25:21 [Philippe]
- William: I can get some requirements from the management work as well
- 16:25:43 [Philippe]
- ACTIOn: Steve to get requirements from OGSI
- 16:25:48 [Philippe]
- ACTION: Steve to get requirements from OGSI
- 16:26:05 [Philippe]
- ACTION: William to get requirements from the management prospective
- 16:26:55 [Philippe]
- ACTION: Steve to find a CORBA IDL expert
- 16:27:58 [Philippe]
- William: do we have one more specific document from OGSI or a "latest" work?
- 16:28:07 [Philippe]
- Steve: the latest version is in public comments
- 16:28:45 [Philippe]
- http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ggf/draft-ggf-ogsi-gridservice-29_2003-04-05.pdf?download
- 16:29:36 [Marsh]
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- 16:29:47 [Philippe]
- Steve: I don't expect changes to it. GGF is meeting at the end of June. I don't expect much discussion on that before July
- 16:30:08 [Philippe]
- William: is there one section that contains everything?
- 16:30:28 [Philippe]
- Steve: you might need to read about OGSI serviceData
- 16:30:47 [Zakim]
- +Jonathan_Marsh
- 16:31:19 [sgg]
- hi jonathan
- 16:31:24 [Philippe]
- [question regarding including notification into our requirements]
- 16:31:38 [Philippe]
- Steve: leaning towards not including notification for the moment
- 16:32:43 [Philippe]
- Philippe: is query fundamental?
- 16:33:02 [Philippe]
- Steve: yes, not having them wouldn't make attributes powerful.
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- 16:33:54 [Philippe]
- Philippe: you can stil make them as extensions.
- 16:35:56 [Philippe]
- we can make attributes part of the WSDL Core, and have query as extensions.
- 16:37:16 [Philippe]
- Steve: 3 work items:
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- - requirements statement, with or without use cases.
- 16:37:32 [Philippe]
- - actual proposal (3 sections)
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- - actual concrete proposal: different packaging options proposed to the WG.
- 16:38:32 [Philippe]
- Jonathan: important to present how the TF came up with those proposals.
- 16:39:06 [Philippe]
- and list why other solutions were eliminated
- 16:40:36 [Philippe]
- Jonathan: concerns about the need for serviceData need to be addressed as well
- 16:41:44 [Philippe]
- Participants: William, Steve, Philippe, Jonathan
- 16:42:27 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2003/06/02-ws-desc-irc#T16-41-44
- 16:44:35 [Philippe]
- rrsagent, actions?
- 16:44:35 [Philippe]
- I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'actions'
- 16:44:40 [Philippe]
- zakim, actions?
- 16:44:40 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, Philippe.
- 16:44:59 [Philippe]
- rrsagent, where am I?
- 16:44:59 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2003/06/02-ws-desc-irc#T16-44-59
- 16:45:11 [sgg]
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- 16:49:08 [Marsh]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-state
- 16:49:08 [Philippe]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-state
- 16:54:12 [Philippe]
- (mailing list will be used for the documents for the moment)
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- Jonathan: from the CG, IPR concerns mainly.
- 16:56:28 [Philippe]
- is there a patent policy in the OGSI?
- 16:56:59 [Philippe]
- if the attribute stuuf goes in the WSDL, it needs to RF (following the CPP).
- 16:57:35 [Philippe]
- Steve: i.e. no legal bind if adopted in the WSDL WG?
- 16:58:13 [Philippe]
- Jonathan: yes, no essential concept covered.
- 16:58:59 [Philippe]
- CPP: http://www.w3.org/TR/patent-practice
- 17:02:20 [Philippe]
- ACTION: Steve to check IP restrictions with OGSI
- 17:03:13 [Philippe]
- rrsagent, where am I?
- 17:03:13 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2003/06/02-ws-desc-irc#T17-03-13
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- -??P0
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- -Plh
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- -Jonathan_Marsh
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- -??P2
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- WS_TF()12:00PM has ended
- 17:06:06 [Philippe]
- zakim, bye
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- 17:06:10 [Philippe]
- rrsagent, bye
- 17:06:10 [RRSAgent]
- I see 4 open action items:
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- ACTION: Steve to get requirements from OGSI [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/06/02-ws-desc-irc#T16-25-48
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- ACTION: William to get requirements from the management prospective [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/06/02-ws-desc-irc#T16-26-05
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- ACTION: Steve to find a CORBA IDL expert [3]
- 17:06:10 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/06/02-ws-desc-irc#T16-26-55
- 17:06:10 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Steve to check IP restrictions with OGSI [4]
- 17:06:10 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/06/02-ws-desc-irc#T17-02-20