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16:10:52 <Philippe> zakim, this is ws_tf
16:10:54 <Zakim> ok, Philippe
16:12:25 <Philippe> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-state/2003Jun/0001.html
16:13:05 <Philippe> next week:
16:13:15 <Philippe> OGSI ServiceData review
16:13:23 <Philippe> following week:
16:13:29 <Philippe>  WebDAV review
16:14:11 <Philippe> ideas for the proposal:
16:14:14 <Philippe> 3 parts
16:14:25 <Philippe>  - Conceptual overview of the approach (why are we doing this)
16:14:44 <Philippe>  - how would you model a state in a service interface, implications on inheritance and bindings.
16:15:00 <Philippe>   interface that models the operation to get the data, and query it
16:15:11 <Philippe>   - interface that models the operation to get the data, and query it
16:15:29 <Philippe> Willima: differences between the last 2?
16:16:11 <Philippe> Steve: first is how to model (XSI type, ...). how to define an interface to deal with the state.
16:17:33 <Philippe> William: first part is ok. second part: abstract model of the states. third is syntax changes.
16:17:53 <Philippe>  changes to define the attribute, and let the consumer how to access it.
16:18:38 <Philippe> Steve: agree. second part should be a combination between abstract model and implication.
16:19:58 <Philippe> Steve: 3rd part: abstract model for getters/access + syntax
16:21:02 <Philippe> William: would prefer to see the abstract model in part 2, and define the syntax in 3.
16:22:43 <Philippe> use cases and requirements?
16:23:03 <Philippe> William: use cases are not always useful but requirements are clearly necessary.
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16:23:24 <Philippe> Steve: requirements in section 1, then?
16:23:38 <Philippe> William: maybe as a separate document
16:24:45 <Philippe> Philippe: would still be good to have use cases to present the idea to the group.
16:25:06 <Philippe> Steve: I can harvest those from the OGSI group.
16:25:21 <Philippe> William: I can get some requirements from the management work as well
16:25:43 <Philippe> ACTIOn: Steve to get requirements from OGSI
16:25:48 <Philippe> ACTION: Steve to get requirements from OGSI
16:26:05 <Philippe> ACTION: William to get requirements from the management prospective
16:26:55 <Philippe> ACTION: Steve to find a CORBA IDL expert
16:27:58 <Philippe> William: do we have one more specific document from OGSI or a "latest" work?
16:28:07 <Philippe> Steve: the latest version is in public comments
16:28:45 <Philippe> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ggf/draft-ggf-ogsi-gridservice-29_2003-04-05.pdf?download
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16:29:47 <Philippe> Steve: I don't expect changes to it. GGF is meeting at the end of June. I don't expect much discussion on that before July
16:30:08 <Philippe> William: is there one section that contains everything?
16:30:28 <Philippe> Steve: you might need to read about OGSI serviceData
16:30:47 <Zakim> +Jonathan_Marsh
16:31:19 <sgg> hi jonathan
16:31:24 <Philippe> [question regarding including notification into our requirements]
16:31:38 <Philippe> Steve: leaning towards not including notification for the moment
16:32:43 <Philippe> Philippe: is query fundamental?
16:33:02 <Philippe> Steve: yes, not having them wouldn't make attributes powerful.
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16:33:54 <Philippe> Philippe: you can stil make them as extensions.
16:35:56 <Philippe>  we can make attributes part of the WSDL Core, and have query as extensions.
16:37:16 <Philippe> Steve: 3 work items:
16:37:26 <Philippe>  - requirements statement, with or without use cases.
16:37:32 <Philippe>  - actual proposal (3 sections)
16:37:52 <Philippe>  - actual concrete proposal: different packaging options proposed to the WG.
16:38:32 <Philippe> Jonathan: important to present how the TF came up with those proposals.
16:39:06 <Philippe>  and list why other solutions were eliminated
16:40:36 <Philippe> Jonathan: concerns about the need for serviceData need to be addressed as well
16:41:44 <Philippe> Participants: William, Steve, Philippe, Jonathan
16:42:27 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2003/06/02-ws-desc-irc#T16-41-44
16:44:35 <Philippe> rrsagent, actions?
16:44:35 <Philippe> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'actions'
16:44:40 <Philippe> zakim, actions?
16:44:40 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Philippe.
16:44:59 <Philippe> rrsagent, where am I?
16:44:59 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2003/06/02-ws-desc-irc#T16-44-59
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16:49:08 <Marsh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-state
16:49:08 <Philippe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-desc-state
16:54:12 <Philippe> (mailing list will be used for the documents for the moment)
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16:56:19 <Philippe> Jonathan: from the CG, IPR concerns mainly.
16:56:28 <Philippe>  is there a patent policy in the OGSI?
16:56:59 <Philippe>  if the attribute stuuf goes in the WSDL, it needs to RF (following the CPP).
16:57:35 <Philippe> Steve: i.e. no legal bind if adopted in the WSDL WG?
16:58:13 <Philippe> Jonathan: yes, no essential concept covered.
16:58:59 <Philippe> CPP: http://www.w3.org/TR/patent-practice
17:02:20 <Philippe> ACTION: Steve to check IP restrictions with OGSI
17:03:13 <Philippe> rrsagent, where am I?
17:03:13 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2003/06/02-ws-desc-irc#T17-03-13
17:05:47 <Zakim> -??P0
17:05:48 <Zakim> -Plh
17:05:49 <Zakim> -Jonathan_Marsh
17:05:50 <Zakim> -??P2
17:05:52 <Zakim> WS_TF()12:00PM has ended
17:06:06 <Philippe> zakim, bye
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17:06:10 <Philippe> rrsagent, bye
17:06:10 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items:
17:06:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steve to get requirements from OGSI [1]
17:06:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/06/02-ws-desc-irc#T16-25-48
17:06:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: William to get requirements from the management prospective [2]
17:06:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/06/02-ws-desc-irc#T16-26-05
17:06:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steve to find a CORBA IDL expert [3]
17:06:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/06/02-ws-desc-irc#T16-26-55
17:06:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Steve to check IP restrictions with OGSI [4]
17:06:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2003/06/02-ws-desc-irc#T17-02-20